Executive summary of this post:

  • Google gives more weight to websites that have good inbound links
  • However, Google does not like link schemes designed to increase a site's ranking - reciprocal linking with hundreds of Realtors across the country
  • Matt Cutts heads up the Google web spam team and enforces the Google webmaster guidelines
  • Matt Cutts has mentioned in the past that he does not like the excessive reciprocal linking that Realtors engage in to pump up their results.
  • I have a website focusing on real estate in Sarasota, Florida
  • Advanced Access (AA) is a very large Realtor website provider
  • AA hired Greg Boser, webguerilla.com, to consult with AA customers about a Yahoo problem
  • Greg Boser instructed AA customers to delete state pages containing reciprocal links
  • In April 15th, 2007 Google penalized numerous AA websites.
  • Many of the penalized sites were the people who were most active in the real estate forums
  • There is speculation that Google is trying to spread the word about reciprocal linking in the real estate  community by penalizing the loudest Realtors.
  • Advanced Access sites come back after 35 days or so.
  • Greg Boser, webguerilla.com, started to become active in the Real Estate Webmasters forum on April 27th.
  • May 9th, 2007 Google penalizes numerous Real Estate Webmasters websites
  • Many speculate that Greg Boser had something to do with the penalties.
  • I own one of the REW sites penalized. I had deleted my state pages and reciprocal links around May 4th.  So I cleaned up my infractions prior to being penalized.
  • 45 days later and almost all of the Real Estate Webmaster sites are still penalized.
  • Numerous lessons learned

 

I have been debating the last half hour on whether I should even write this article/blog post. I have recently made a few comments over at Matt Cutts' blog about what Google has recently done and a few of my real estate peers thought it was a bit brave or stupid for being outspoken. I will take my chances and write about what is happening. Hopefully, someone can learn from this in the future. Will Google keep me in the penalty box longer? Hopefully not.

If you have any experience or background in SEO (search engine optimization) you know that Google likes website that have links pointing to it. A part of their search algorithm involves the popularity of the site determined by the number of other sites pointing to it via a link. With all else being equal Google will rank a website with quality links pointing to it higher than another website with no links. If you read Google's Webmaster Guidelines the very first bit of advice they give you is:

  • have other relevant sites link to yours.

Google loves links and they admit it. Webmasters figured this out and came up with all kinds of different techniques for getting links to their sites - link baiting, reciprocal links, ninja links, 3 way links, one way links, contextual links etc. The problem is a lot of the techniques are frowned upon by Google. They want you to get links the natural way and not to try to cheat the system. Their guidelines say:

  • Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.
  • Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?

In one breath Google tells you to get links to your site and then in the other breath tells you not to participate in any link scheme designed to increase your site's ranking. How do you know what a link scheme is? What is acceptable? What is not acceptable?  I guess you have to ask yourself "Does this help my users?" It definitely is not a black and white situation and has plenty for room for interpretation.

Google has a web spam team headed by Matt Cutts. Their job is to enforce these Google Webmaster Guidelines and crack down on link spam. When he talks people listen.  He frequently speaks at search engine conferences around the world.

I could not find it anywhere (didn't really look long) but heard that Matt Cutts in the past has mentioned that he does not like the reciprocal linking that Realtors engage in. Supposedly, he had mentioned this several times over the last few years but has not done anything about it.

Real estate agents trade links with other agents around the country and world with the argument that we refer business to each other so therefore it is a legitimate link exchange and not done for the sole purpose of pumping up our rankings. This may be true in some instances but for the most part it is bologna. I would venture to say that 95% of the agents who trade links do so to achieve higher rankings in the results. That was the only reason I did it.  What was the likelihood that a visitor to my Sarasota, Florida website was there to find an agent in Albuquerque, New Mexico? The only reason I ever traded a link with an agent outside Florida was to get to number 1 in Google.

In the beginning, when I knew absolutely nothing, I was told to trade links with anyone and everyone. I did that for awhile. Then someone told me to only trade with people in the real estate industry. So, I changed it up and did that. The link exchanging worked. I wasn't number 1 but was on the first page for a couple key phrases.

Fast forward a little bit, I changed to a more search engine friendly website, traded links sporadically, added plenty of original content, included and updated a blog frequently. My overall goal was to become an authority site and build a valuable, useful website to people looking for anything real estate related in Sarasota, Florida. I simply wanted to make a website better than my competitors. Eventually, I became number 1 for the most sought after key phrases in my market and was on the first page for hundreds of phrases. I got there by having a better website than most. That is a great thing about the Google search engine.  It generally does the best job of providing relevant results.

It dawned on me that reciprocal linking with hundreds of agents around the country was pretty useless to my visitors so I stopped doing it about a year or so ago. I did a couple contextual link exchanges with other agents in Florida. I figured that would be useful to someone looking for real estate in Florida but was not sure in what part of the state to look.

I had stopped paying attention to what was going on in the SEO world for awhile as I get paid to service buyers and sellers of real estate, not updating my website. I continued to post in my blog but that was the extent of it. So, I was out of the loop for 6 months or so.

A shot across the bow from Google

Advanced Access is an enormous real estate website provider with around 30,000 Realtor websites. I am not up to speed on the details but apparently many or all of the Advanced Access users were penalized by Yahoo. Many of the AA users would trade links with each other and it was possibly viewed by Yahoo as one big incestuous link farm.

Advanced Access hired Greg Boser, a search engine guru, to solve their problems with Yahoo. His recommendation to AA users was to erase all state pages containing excessive reciprocal links. He viewed them as useless spam. Not all of the AA users took his advice. Many of the customers resisted because of the hundreds of man hours they put into accumulating all of the links. Others were probably ranking well and did not want to rock the boat.

In April of 2007 many high ranking Advanced Access websites were suddenly missing from the Google search results. Was it an algorithm change? Probably not since the AA website were the only ones affected. Ultimately, the consensus was that the AA websites were manually given a penalty by Google. Of course, no one was 100% sure because you can't call Google on the phone or email them to get a definitive answer. Why would Google focus on only one website provider? Why the largest provider of real estate websites? Were they penalized for excessive reciprocal links?  Probably. Evidently, Matt Cutts previously made warnings about it. Did the well connected internet guru, Greg Boser, have anything to do with the penalty?  I don't know. Some people believe that. He supposedly knows Matt Cutts.

In the Advanced Access forums one participant noticed that some AA websites were penalized while others were not. Almost all of the sites had state pages and excessive reciprocal links.  Why were some chosen and other spared? How did Google determine which websites to hit and why? The forum participant noticed that just about everyone who voiced their opinions, beliefs and thoughts in the forums were hit with the penalties while the site owners who were not active went penalty free. Did Google hand pick the loudest website owners?

In May, just over 30 days later, most of the AA sites had their penalties dropped and were found again in Google.

Real Estate Webmasters is another large and very visible real estate website provider. Many of their customer sites rank exceptionally well in Google. They also host a very active forum for webmasters. If someone (or Google) wanted to send a message through the real estate community this is a great place to do it. I found it interesting that Greg Boser, the well connected internet guru, became very active in the Real Estate Webmasters forum on April 27th. Just a few weeks prior to many of their websites getting hit with a penalty.

On May 9th, a number of high ranking Real Estate Webmaster websites were suddenly missing from the Google search results. Sites from all over country had been hit with a Google penalty. I own one of those sites and was probably penalized for state pages and reciprocal linking. The damn thing is that I deleted all of my state pages and links on the 4th of May. Google most likely pinpointed me as a violator before the 4th and it took until the 9th to employ the penalty.

It is interesting that Google would hit customers of another large and potentially loud real estate website provider with an active forum. Is Google trying to send a message to the real estate community about excessive reciprocal links? Maybe. Probably. Greg Boser became active in the forums a couple of weeks prior to the penalty. Did he have something to do with it?  I don't know. Possibly.

Here we are 44 days later and almost all of the Real Estate Webmasters sites are still penalized. We all have deleted our state pages, reciprocal links, removed the URL's through the Google webmaster tools and have asked forgiveness via a re-inclusion request.

Is Google waiting for us to spread the word throughout the Realtor community about the no-no's of reciprocal linking? I don't know. Is it fair that a small group of us were targeted while others continue to fill their websites with spammy reciprocal links? No, but life is not fair.

Rand Fishkind at http://www.seomoz.org/ recently interviewed Matt Cutts. You can watch the interview here. Watch the 2nd video and fast forward it to around the 5:30 mark. Matt acknowledges the Real Estate Webmaster thread discussing the recent penalties.  He also mentions "a shot across the bow" technique of policing.

Isn't everyone employed by Google a genius? Couldn't they have come up with a better system to policing the real estate industry other than hurting a few mom and pop Realtors?

Lessons Learned:

  • Don't try to game the Google search engine. They will eventually figure you out.
  • Don't trade links with hundreds of Realtors around the country. Build links only for the benefit of your users, not your search engine rankings.
  • Build a site with tons of unique content, provide lots of value to visitors and eventually links will come with time. I have received several one way links from the Sarasota Herald Tribune (my local newspaper) from articles they wrote about my website and blog. I imagine this is the way Google likes to see links built.
  • Google isn't perfect.
  • If you rely on Google search results to feed you and your family you better have some money stashed away in the event you get penalized. Fortunately, I did this.
  • If you do make money off the web keep at least one eye on what is happening in the search engine world to stay competitive.
  • I rank fairly well in MSN and really don't get that much traffic from it.
  • Ranking very well in Google will bring tons of traffic to your website.
  • Being penalized by Google sucks.

Marc Rasmussen

Sarasota Real Estate

Marc Rasmussen selling Sarasota real estate. Visit www.LuxurySarasotaRealEstate.com.


 
Post is included in group: REW Rainers

53 Comments on Matt Cutts of Google Penalizing Real Estate Websites - Part 1

JUN
22
2007
434,704 Points 70 Featured Posts Outside Blog

MR,

Like all search engines they make money on PPC!The content is king and neither Yahoo.com or google can deny that.

That`s why places like A/R are so very important in my humble opinion!

6:33am • #1
1 Featured Post
Marc, I had no idea that these type of things were happening. Regardless of the benefit A/R has been to my site, the information I learn here is just as valuable. Thanks for the post
6:47am • #2
209,984 Points 34 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Great post Marc,  It's so easy to get sucked into different SEO schemes when you see so many others having success with them.  But you always have to keep in mind that it's only a matter of time before Google catches up with things.  Enjoy it while you can but don't plan a business around it.  I wouldn't invest everything into ActiveRain either.  I wouldn't blame Google if they devalued all links coming from ActiveRain.  Too many people are just using it for link spamming.
7:07am • #3
453,159 Points 28 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog
Marc, your words about having money stashed is excellent.  It was years ago but my site was completely dropped from Google for three months!  No one could figure it out---excellent post, thank you!
7:35am • #4
Hit Router
fantastic post!  I do not keep up with the "daily changes" in the SEO world (or so it seems), but am glad to know that the links are not weighed as heavily as content
7:47am • #5
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Great post. I've never followed all the seo tricks. I just do my own thing and google seems to like me. I've been told by AA website owners that the key to success is links. I never bought into all the recipricol linking because to me it is endorsing total strangers on my website.

8:23am • #6
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Great Post Marc, Good to see you over here as well.

 

I do not think that google or matt will ever even see this post.  posting on his blog, who knows.  Anyway sounds as if there may be a little favoritism going on as well.

 

Jim

8:36am • #7
132,068 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Good stuff, thanks for taking the time to write such detailed info.
10:57am • #9
7 Featured Posts Outside Blog

normally I wouldn't read such a long blog. I am definitely a skimmer and a headline reader online. However your story pulled me in. You make quite the argument for specific targetting. I have a very high opinion of google and the search results that I receive. The scenario you are outlining certainly doesn't seem like a fair or reasonable practice.  I would hope that it is truly not underhanded and that they really are trying to make the most relevant search results.

I think your points at the end though are excellent and points that I think everyone should consider. I think that is valuable info.

Your story has opened my eyes a little and I am going to keep an open perspective on what could be happening and investigate other stories.

In response to your opening... I'm glad you decided to write the story and post this blog.

3:59pm • #10
6 Featured Posts
Thank you for the thorough and excellent comment Angie.
4:08pm • #11
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I like the format update... did you do that because of my comment about the paragraphs? :)
4:36pm • #12
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Yes.  I know it is a long post that most people would just skim or ignore.  I am a skimmer too. ;-)
4:37pm • #13

Thanks for the post. It makes sense to have a few sites on the go with different host and a different format and focus.

7:48pm • #14
222,668 Points 8 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Marc - that really bites.  I'm like you - I did a lot of SEO and I too have been "off" since around the first of the year.  M blog rocks and the spillover to my Point2 site is unreal.

I think this weekend, I will be cleaning up my link pages and focusing on what is relevant to me.  I have gone from a PR 0 to a PR 3 in about 6 months and have been flat for  months - although I do rank very well with most of my local Hemet CA key terms for Real Estate.

Search Google and look for either my blog. www.Activerain.Com/MrHemet and my website http://www.johnocchi.com/ and you'll find me throughout.

Now Have a Blessed Day,

John Occhi, Hemet Realtor
Hemet CA Real Estate

11:01pm • #15
JUN
23
2007
407,203 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Thank you for the information. I do not have any realtor links. I have links to local newspaper and school district. I hope that will not hurt.
4:51am • #16
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Hi Gita,

I think you are fine with local links. Google just does not like excessive reciprocal links on numerous spammy pages.

5:31am • #17

Marc,

Here is my timeline for events that I have proof happened. I don't know if there was something that pointed out the REW websites, but, if there was, it's name would be Greg Boser, aka Webguerilla:

I had originally felt there would be no need to ever follow up on your suspicion, but, you know this has affected my livelihood and it needs to see the light of day. Like I said in my earlier comment, I can't put the pieces together, but, my suspicions are there is something to this. I would love some more investigation into this because I too had removed my state pages before I was penalized. Unfortunately it appears that there were other forces at work that pointed our websites out before the pages were removed.

Here is the timeline for the series of events I outlined in the above post. I have sceenshots for all of these events:

April 15th - AA websites hit

April 17th and 18th - I was visited by Greg Boser. Do you think he said something to Google? Because....

April 20th - Google AND Greg Boser aka, webguerilla, llc paid a visit.

April 24th - Google came back again.

April 30th and May 1st - Advanced Access - Who do you think told them?

May 3rd - Google one more time and my state pages had been removed by then.

May 9th (Day of Penalty) - Greg Boser, coincidence?

May 11th - Greg Boser - Maybe checking to make sure?

 

I'm not hiding from this, if anyone has any questions, I can be reached at 404.630.3187

7:08am • #18
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Marc-

Thanks for the info - it's another entire job trying to keep up with the SEO changes.

But - ya gotta do it!

7:24am • #19
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Ryan Ward,

What's your feeling about where it stands at this point?

7:54am • #20
JUN
24
2007
It does seem that Greg Boser was somehow involved in all of this. But the damage has already been done. At this time everyone needs to get on Matt Cutt's blog and join in the discussion going on there. This blog and Active Rain are ok forums, but let's be honest they probably aren't going to get noticed like a post on Matt Cutt's blog will. If you want attention this is the way to go about doing it. What is the worst that can happen? He'll ban your site? For all intents and purposes your site is already banned. If your own name search in Google doesn't show your site until the 6th page you are buried anyways. You might not realize it yet but you should – war has been declared upon you and your sites. Sitting around doing nothing will not help you. Fight back. None of you who have been penalized have anything to lose by pointing this nonsense out and trying to demand answers. It looks as if Google isn’t going to let REW sites back in anytime soon. Sure two sites did get back in, but that seems more like a fluke to me. Those sites appear to have gotten lucky because of the engineer that came across their reinclusion requests actually acted upon them. If you do nothing with the hope that somehow Google will magically let you back into the index you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Go read the minus 30 penalty page at Webmaster World. There are sites on there that have been waiting over 1 year to get back in – after numerous reinclusion requests. Advanced Access sites got back in around the 30-40 day mark because they had this Greg Boser character working on their behalf. There is no definitive proof but it certainly appears that he was somehow involved with this REW ban. At the very least it looks as if he has some serious juice inside of Google. No one at REW is working on your behalf to get your sites reincluded. You have nothing to lose by speaking up for yourselves. Your sites were hand picked for this penalty while your competitors continue to get away with it. That is not right. No one has anything to lose. Only good things can happen by speaking out. It looks as if only three Realtors are posting on Matt Cutt’s blog. Are those the only three Realtors willing to stand up for themselves? Does everyone else really believe that silence will help their sites be reincluded?
Steve Kuss
6:25pm • #21
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Marc, what a great post!  Looks like you have had or do have a Advanced Access web site as well.  Advanced Access has good placement but will it last?  Is it worth the cost in generating results not just leads?  Interested in your thoughts.  Thanks.

10:31pm • #22
JUN
25
2007

Marc,  Thanks for taking the time to post this... I would like to offer my opinion to what has happened in additional to your points

  • Advance Access host all Agent site
  • 30,000 Real Estate Web sites @100 - 300 Per server
  • Advance Access has 100 - 200 Web Servers

 AA has an IP range of xxx.xxx.xxx - xxx.xxx.256 as a example, now when Google bot crawl the sites it also compare the IP of that site and you can see how this looks

30,000+ sites all on this subnet all in the real estate business , as you can see, this does look like spam.

 

8:52am • #23
7 Featured Posts Outside Blog

A note to everyone reading this article. Part I and Part II were featured in Active Rain's Week in Review 6/18/07---6/24/07

This post was one of the Top 25 picks for the week! Congratulations and thanks for writing a great blog!

9:23am • #24
6 Featured Posts

"This post was one of the Top 25 picks for the week! Congratulations and thanks for writing a great blog!"

Thank you Angie.

Mitchell: "30,000+ sites all on this subnet all in the real estate business , as you can see, this does look like spam. "

I agree with you, especially since they were all linking with each other. Incestuous.

David: "Advanced Access has good placement but will it last?  Is it worth the cost in generating results not just leads?"

I am not sure if you are talking on an individual site basis but a well ranking website can bring in plenty of traffic and thus good income.

9:48am • #25

One of my AA clients usually receives 6,000-7,000 hits per month and his went down to 273 in May. I removed all agent recipricol/state pages/links on 5/11, and he's back to normal this month. 

He doesn't post on AR, nor have I ever referenced his site, so I don't believe the penalty was limited to the agents with the loudest AR voices ... perhaps it's the agents with high monthly hits (?).

Amber Drake
4:47pm • #26

Hey Mark, 

Great post.  Keep up the good fight.  Your website is by far the best in the area for so many reasons including gobs of unique content, MLS search, usability, the list goes on.  Evidently Google does not care that your site is the best in the area not because of reciprocal links, but because it truly is the best website in the area.   For you to be penalized this long is absolutely ridiculous.  The fact of the matter is that the people that are relocating to Sarasota are ones being penalized by Google...because Google is hiding the best Sarasota real estate website from its users.  I don't think that is fair to Google users, maybe everyone should start using MSN Search.

www.live.com 

5:50pm • #27
266,979 Points 16 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Marc, I have to agree the timing is suspiscious to say the least. Getting penalized by the basis of who your provider is sounds very discriminatory to me. I'm sure both companies are losing clients as a result. I know AA has.  Meanwhile, there are still tons of sites with the same practices that are still doing fine. -Charles
6:40pm • #28
JUN
26
2007
223,827 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog
Very interesting commentary.  Time to remove all of those links I built.  I even have them organized by state. Oh well.
5:05pm • #29
JUN
27
2007

I was one of the many AA users caught up in this fiasco.  The penalty is more severe than you may think as, although I'm now ok (of course I don't use AA any more) with Google, I have zero presence in any Yahoo searches.

AA's "link farm" wasn't without some merit as you actually could develop relationships with agents in other states.

6:25pm • #30
146,876 Points

Wow, lot's of good stuff here.....

Thank you all for the ed-u-ma-cation!!!!!

David

6:52pm • #31
Interesting to learn this. I have been on the REW forums a little and even partipated in some linking with some of their sites. Probably not on a scale large enough to get knocked. My site doesn't have very high ranks anyway. Good reason not to put all the weight on search engine ranks, huh?
8:28pm • #32
JUN
29
2007
1 Featured Post
Thanks for the info. Detailed and well written. I always hated the link exchange hassle. I will change that. Thanks.
10:27am • #33
JUL
04
2007
13 Featured Posts
I was helping out a client the other day that has an Advanced Access site. She didn't even know it but her website had links to online casinos, pharmacies, and more. I told her the only thing that could have been worse if she had dedicated directories to porn and Viagra! I now see why Google cracked down on them.
1:49am • #34
OCT
10
2007

The reason for the AA fall is that all of their websites have the exact same content on their tips.  I took my websites off of AA in March 2007 and moved them to Diverse Solutions.  I didn't remove my links or state pages and we continue to generate 400 new leads a month....I think that is silly.  Unique content makes the biggest difference.  I have a friend that is still linking and just broke through to number one in a very tough real estate market city.  Perhaps Matt Cutts should get a real estate license and wake up to reality.

Steve
9:06pm • #35
OCT
17
2007
i don't even bother putting time into Yahoo or any of the other search engines.  Most everyone I know uses Google and I will not waste my time and money targeting other engines.  Thanks for the post!  I started setting up a page for hundreds of link exchanges, but found out about how Google was treating that, so thankfully I saved myself tons of time and bagged that idea.
7:22pm • #37

You may want to read my blog post Real Estate SEO - Tough But Not Impossible for some tips. One quote that may be helpful:

The first thing you need to do is get your own domain name and web site. The dynamic made-for-real-estate sites are terrific for all the back end goodies you get, but they are hard to rank because those dynamic pages are just that, dynamic, and also pretty much identical. You can have the best of both worlds by placing links on your new site to the back end pages on your dynamic site.

10:37pm • #38
OCT
18
2007
Thanks for the post.  I've started looking into what Matt and Google are doing these days and it's already led me to do some changes with my webpage.
10:37pm • #39
OCT
22
2007
4 Featured Posts
Thanks for providing us with this incredibly valuable info backed by a compelling story.
8:32pm • #40
OCT
23
2007
159,695 Points Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Marc,

Go ahead and speak your mind....I for one am happy you have.  I need to see all sides of an issue, that is why I appreciate Active Rain so much.

Have a great day!

9:50am • #41
DEC
03
2007

I am writing to let you know about my horrible experience with Advanced Access. I purchased their template website and premium marketing package for $4399. After 10 months of waiting for results, I was disappointed to learn that I only had 30 unique visitors for the previous month. 30 visitors? That is a ridiculously low number.

I was told at the time I signed up for my Premium Marketing Package that the metatags and keywords would be customized for each of my webpages. This was never done. Instead, all of my webpages have the same metatags and keywords. So, for example, when you search in google for my website only one page shows up as having been indexed.

I was also told at the time I signed up for my Premium Marketing Package that I would receive a monthly analysis of my website with personalized suggestions as to how I could add to, or alter, the content of my website to increase my search engine rankings. Despite this promise, the first time I received an e-mail from AA with specific suggestions on how to improve my search engine rankings was 9 months after I signed up for the package. These suggestions were only provided to me after I called AA to find out what was going on with the search-engine optimization of my website. During this call, I was also told that the person who had been assigned to optimize my website was no longer with AA and that I would have to be assigned a new representative. Had I not called AA, I don’t know when you would have figured out that no one was working on the search-engine optimization for my website.

These are just some of the ways in which AA failed to live up to the promises that were made to me when I signed up for the Premium Marketing Package. More than 10 months after I signed up for the Premium Marketing Package with AA, my website still has not been optimized. As the statistics for the last month show, I had 30 unique visitors to my website.

I sued AA in small claims court and obtained a judgment against them for all of the money I paid them. I have not received any of it yet because they are appealing the Judge’s decision. It is ridiculous that AA forced me into the position of having to sue them for their failure to optimize my website, and that they are still refusing to admit this failure by appealing the Judge’s decision.

I strongly encourage anyone who is considering hiring AA to optimize their website to do their homework. Knowing what I know now, I would never choose to work with them again.

Very disappointed,
~Amanda

11:40pm • #42
DEC
05
2007
3 Featured Posts
This is a scary thing!  Especially if you don't have much knowledge of the inner workings of SEO and how to fix problems.
11:23am • #43
What is really sad about this, Amanda, is you could have hired someone to build you a website on your own domain, with some basic SEO elements added, for about the same price. I'm not a fan of this type of website for the very reasons you discovered.
12:42pm • #44
FEB
02
2008

Matt cutts has a great piece on his block in reference to real estate links and ranking. I am afraid that many realtors with Advance Access had their page rank wiped away

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-links-and-pagerank/

1:09pm • #45
FEB
14
2008

Great post, wish I had more time to read it all... will definately come back to this one. I also checked out the Advanced Access site. I am the assistant to Stuart and Sally and I worked for Advanced Access a couple of years back, in Yorba Linda, CA. I admit that they are extremely good at what they do, I was shocked to hear about the reprocussions from Google & Yahoo. I will also be checking back to their blogs and forums to find out more, mainly because we use reciprocal links too. We don't have that many really just under 100 or so. Perhaps I need to read more and link less?

 

Thanks again for the post!

2:56pm • #46
FEB
24
2008
Hi,
   
I don't know what any of your current status/interest is with Advanced Access, but for current information about Advanced Access, we've just started "AAUG - Advanced Access Users Group" which hopefully, as we get going, will bring members up to date and keep members informed about the company and it's products and services.
    
You're invited to join and contribute ideas, news, incite, experiences, tips, comments and suggestions if interested.
    
Larry

 

12:43am • #47
414,218 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog
I understand your hesitation in writing this blog. It's a bit of a sensitve issue, but I believe you handled it well (and fairly)
1:05am • #48
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Marc,

Sorry to hear you were penalized, but it was inevitable- Google only likes links that are built naturally and have relevancy to the content- it is why linkbait is essential. 

 The latest scheme floating out there is an email about 3 way linking where I link to you, you link to Tom, Tom links to Dick and Dick links back to Mary... still a reciprocal link scheme that Google will recognize.  

These are the reasons I hate blogrolls and link schemes... they are cheating and Google always catches cheaters. 

8:37am • #49

If you write good content that is relevant to the title and tags, you will naturally generate links back.

Buying links or creating ways to cheat the system does you no good in the end. Even if you come up with a 5 way linking system, google will see it and penalize it.

Allow your links to grow organically, and you will never get penalized.

10:20am • #50
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Marc

 Great post! I think you hit the nail on the head when you talk about building a better website with original content and becoming an authority site in your area. That is what Google  is really looking for and the same for the customers doing the search.

 

10:43am • #51
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Should be named Life lessons learned on SEO. Great post, alot of heart & content, advice for us all that might think about trying to "game" Google.
11:16am • #52
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It was not because Matt Cutts doesn't like Real Estate Sites, it's because REW was involved with Paid Placement links. Google is cracking down on Paid Linking as it has been used to inflate page rank. Google likes to see natural links not paid..

Hope that helps 

1:07pm • #53
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2008
Great post.  Lots of information.  I learn more about how to increase my page ranking everyday without penalty.  Thank you - Mike
2:48pm • #54

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