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Pre-Approval, Approval, Conditional, Cleared - What the ____?!

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Ancient Mortgage Proverb: No deal is ever 100% certain until the loan is completely paid off.

There exists a chasm in communication, familiarity and point of view between agents and loan officers. Sometimes we try to act like it does not exist and we really wish it was not so. I know this chasm exists, just as you do for many reasons, because I have had real estate agents - very good agents - try to convert to loan officer at my companies and I have seen this chasm immediately appear. Sales are fairly and generally black and white, go or no-go, yea or nay. Either the seller accepts the offer, counters or declines. Every agent I have seen try to become a loan officer has had a difficult time adjusting to the different levels of approval.

There are different levels of approval with virtually every mortgage application to loan process and agents we really need you to do your best accept them even if you don't understand them. Otherwise you're going to continue driving the loan officer (me :) nuts and forcing the weaker ones to lie to you or avoid you. Let me help you not contribute to their delinquency by briefly explaining some of the levels of loan approval and addressing how I handle them individually.

First please recognize the average loan has many human and non-human touch-points. It's not just the loan officer or just the loan officer and the underwriter. There are also as many as dozens of other humans plus automated systems involved. If the loan application is not approved by each and every one of these processes as required by the lending or insurance (mortgage insurance) guidelines the application will be denied and the deal will be done.

I don't care who the loan officer is, where they work or what they say - these are constants and work the same way at every lender/bank/broker unless the person you are talking to has the money in their personal checking account and are personally making the loan - something a loan officer does not have the authority to do for any lender.)

[See the edit notes at the end of this post.]

Application Approval - these are generally worthless. These are generally called a pre-approval and sent on a letterhead from the bank, lender or broker. These are often given only after accepting the application and examining the credit history of the applicant(s). At this point nothing has usually been verified or even documented such as income, assets and job history. (I do give these and I explain this is a CREDIT ONLY pre-approval and I have verified nothing except credit and payment history.)

Credit Only Approval - see above.

Automated System Approval (Application Stage) - this is also generally worthless. The loan officer generally has not verified income, assets and job history at this point. This is where most "approval letters" are issued on that official looking FNMA Pre-Approval sheet. (I give these as well and explain I still need all the documentation and several verifications of documenation from the appropriate source.)

Underwriter's Opinion Pre-Approval - again basically worthless for the same reasons. (I give these ocassionally when there is a borderline issue as in tax returns for example.)

Underwriter's Conditional Approval - this is where the loan officer should have a very good idea if this application will be approved. There can be as many as 3 or more weeks between the Application Approval and this date because this is the first time anyone has looked at the complete application package which will include: income documentation (pay stubs, tax returns, etc.), asset documentation (bank statements, retirement account statements, letters of verification), employment verification, rent/mortgage verification, appraisal, insurance documentation, inspection (if required), fully executed and legible purchase agreement, and whatever else is needed. THIS IS STILL NOT AN APPROVAL! There will be conditions and until the conditions are satfisfied this is not a loan.

Clear to Close (or Cleared to Close) - this is it. This is the first time ANYONE can assure this will be a finalized transaction and it does have an expiration - usually 7 to 10 days after the approval.

-Side note about conditions. I had a first time home buyer ask me about "Conditions" the other day. He's a young and single man so I used an illustration I thought he could easily understand. I said, "Suppose you finally get up the courage and ask that pretty girl out on a date. She tells you she will go out with you if you drive a red sports car, pick her up at exactly 7PM and take her to the most expensive restaurant in town." I needed to offer no further explanation of conditions.

The bottom line is this: If you do your job right, the loan officer does their job right, the title/escrow agency does their job right, the appraiser does their job right, the inspector does their job right, the insurance company does their job right, the buyer's employer does their job right, the buyer's current mortgage company or landlord does their job right, the person giving the gift (if there is a down payment gift) does their job right, the IRS does their job right, the borrower's accountant/CPA does their job right, the seller does their job right, the appraiser does their job right, the HOA does their job right, the inspector does their job right, the processor does their job right, the underwriter does their job right, the closing co-ordinator does their job right, the funder does their job right, the seller's agent does their job right ... that's most of them ... then within a few days to a few weeks we'll meet at the closing table. Until then NOTHING is certain.

Now do you still want my opinion or do you want to wait for the truth?

[Edit notes: When I write the pre-approval is worthless I mean as far as the actual final approval - go to the bank and cash your check. Nobody's pre-approval means the application and entire transaction will be approved. A true mortgage professional will follow protocol and verify as much information as possible before issuing a pre-qualification. I was trained to do it that way many years ago and have trained all my staff members to do so as well. However, there are dozens of moving parts outside of our control. The pre-approval, even the best one, simply means there is no reason at that point in time not to proceed with the process of the application.]

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Comments(67)

Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I never relax until the deal is done.  I have seen too many things go wrong at the last minute.

Oct 25, 2009 05:20 AM
Daniel Zettler, Esq. - Barnstable Mortgage Grp
Barnstable Mortgage Group NMLS 49104 - Allendale, NJ
Great summary Ken. And I'm glad to see you re-buffed Martin (weichert). As a mortgage broker in northern NJ, where weichert is very active, I can attest from personal experience their 'all weichert all the time' philosophy.I has bewildered and disgusted and amazed me all at the same time. How their 'gold service' has not been shut down as ant-competitive has eluded me for years. They essentially 'require' their agents to push all their services (mortgage is just the beginning)on their buyers, and they can only use an attorney on their 'approved' attorney list. To stay on the list, the lawyer MUST order title from weichert title. Don't, and you get kicked off the list. How they get their clients to buy into all this I don't get. Historically their service is sub-par, their rates are not competitive, attorneys hate weichert title. So where they , Martin included get off insulting brokers in their standard course of business, I don't know. They act, and have acted, as elitists, and their actions insult the rest of the market, buyers and sellers included.
Oct 25, 2009 05:46 AM
Jirius Isaac
Isaac Real Estate &TriStar Mortgage - Kenmore, WA
Real Estate & loans in Kenmore, WA

Ken, What a wonderful synapses.  I am going to re-blog it.  Actually was thinking about writing something like this, but had not gotten around it.  There is a reason why 33% of loans get turned down, and it is usually not because we do not know what we are doing.  Just so many roadblocks we have to go through.  And I have no clue why Martin jumped on you.  I would guess he just had some bad experiences.

Oct 25, 2009 06:48 AM
AZ Mortgage Broker: Michael George
Arizona Wholesale Mortgage Inc. - Phoenix, AZ
AZ Mortgage Rates

Great post and I totally agree with you.  You missed one though: 

When everything is said and done and the underwriter puts the loan into docs.  We also need the mortgage insurance company to do their job.

I just had a deal fall apart after everything was finished.  The doc drawer was ordering PMI-- and THAT DAY PMI decided that they weren't going to insure the loan because Arizona is considered a "declining market."

I called the borrower and told him we would need to start over with a new lender, but a contract clause (timing) prevented that from happening. 

So I lost the client-- although I had nothing to do with it-- and he has all of his stuff in a moving van.

Great huh?

Oct 25, 2009 07:01 AM
Ken Cook
Content, coding, marketing, host. - Marietta, GA
Content Marketer/Creator

Ben - right on. Starting points they are thanks.

Paul Mc - thanks!

Mike G - those stories are all too common unfortunately.

Robert - that's a common practice across the nation on REOs. I'm pretty sure it's a violation of fair trade and is being challenged. Meanwhile we just deal with it. I have yet to lose one to the REO holding bank.

Paul - you are dead on. I try to touch each party at least once a day or whenever I have or need information.

Tom - yep. And all those other moving parts in between that conversation and the closing date.

Deneese - thanks!

Gene - you're a smart man!

Daniel Z - I got the sense of elitism but that's a judgement call. Since you have personal experience you're better at making that. We've had that here with a few groups. In fact that exact attitude is why I bought a real estate agency back in 2004. Fight it tooth and nail whenever anyone promises incentives for using another lender over your services. Keep detailed records of your conversations (names, times, phone numbers, etc.) and file a report to the Federal Trade Commission for possible violations of Fair Trade Practices.

Erin - evidently there is a failure of communication. My comment was not in the least rude - I find it a bit peculiar it ruffled your feathers since I was agreeing with you but pointing out this post is not about YOUR PRE-APPROVALS but the agent's and client's perceptions of the various levels of approval. Perhaps it's one of those issues where my inflection and body language are missing so you read it as if I were delivering it rudely. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Jirius - some people feel inadequate so they have to attack others. I don't think he was attacking me because I'm not a broker.

Oct 25, 2009 07:16 AM
Steve Andrascik
Lake Mead Area Realty - Boulder City, NV

Ken, I guess since the pre-approval letter means basically nothing, why do lenders ask for it. Why do they say they will not consider an offer without it?

 

Boulder City Steve

Oct 25, 2009 07:54 AM
Ken Cook
Content, coding, marketing, host. - Marietta, GA
Content Marketer/Creator

Steve - the prequal means there is no reason yet to deny the file. Many people are simply not aware of the difference between a pre-qualification and a clear to close. In fact most people seem to believe "pre-qualified" means "done deal". Of course you likely already know these but many people do not. Over the years, more than once, I have been asked for a commitment letter prior to the offer being made. When I explain there is no way anyone can give a commitment to lend without following all of the steps I usually get an, "Oh, okay. We were taught to ask for that in a class." Very rarely I have had them say, "My lender does it all the time." Which you and I know to be a little smoke trick :)

Oct 25, 2009 08:46 AM
Chrysti Tovani
Nick Sadek Sothebys International Realty - Sacramento, CA
Sacramento Real Estate Agent

I'm glad that you explained the steps in the process. Often people want to ignore the truth and get what they want when they want it and they want it NOW! LOL!

Definately worth a re-blog!  We all need to work together as team to get to the finish line.  It's not us against them which sadly seems to be the climate between some professionals in this industry.   Ultimately we want what's best for the client and we want to get paid for our time.  If we all do our job it's win/win for everybody. 

 

Oct 25, 2009 09:34 AM
Judy Jennings
Top Agent Plus - Middleboro, MA
Tap into Judy's real estate expertise & resources.

Steve - You just provided me with a whole new perspective on the lending process. Sounds like I am not the only one that might lose a little sleep over some of the intricate details of the financing aspect of a real estate transaction.

I really enjoyed the following explanation to one of your clients pertaining to conditions:

"Side note about conditions. I had a first time home buyer ask me about "Conditions" the other day. He's a young and single man so I used an illustration I thought he could easily understand. I said, "Suppose you finally get up the courage and ask that pretty girl out on a date. She tells you she will go out with you if you drive a red sports car, pick her up at exactly 7PM and take her to the most expensive restaurant in town." I needed to offer no further explanation of conditions."

Nothing is certain, and we do need to work together for the best interest of our clients. Thanks for posting.

Oct 25, 2009 10:38 AM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

Ken. This is a very good and very precise post. Good information for those starting out.

Oct 25, 2009 12:25 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Ken, where does "desktop underwriting" or "automated underwriting" figure in? I have heard that term used many times by loan officers I have worked with. Is that the pre-approval letter? I think that with that they could give an approval letter w/ conditions, right? And of course everything is worthless until it's been through underwriting - really until it's been funded anything can happen.

 

Oct 25, 2009 02:06 PM
Anthony Ebright - NMLSR ID #247647 Purchase and Refinance Mortgages
FHA, VA, Conforming, Jumbo - Wells Fargo Home Mortgage - Santa Rosa, CA

Ken, You broke this down very well. I always tell my customers the deal is not done until it's recording. Anything can happen from start to finish.

Oct 25, 2009 03:30 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Ken, good list and buyers find it a little hard to take but it's true. Until you've got that 'clear to close' you ain't got nuthin!  (Chicago phrase with a guido accent).

Oct 26, 2009 07:36 AM
Marc Knight
Miami Angel Properties - Miami Beach, FL

Very informative.  I wish more of my clients had read posts like these before coming to me.  In Miami, we see all sorts of things including mortgage preapproval letters where the applicant doesn't even know their own income.

Marc Knight

Miami Condo Shop

Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM
Rita Minion
O'Brien Realty - Solomons, MD

Hello Ken,

Thank you for the informative post.  Terrific outline on the process.  Thank you for sharing!  Have a great week!

Rita

 

Oct 26, 2009 11:58 AM
Ruth Vogt
Fairway Independent Mortgage, LLS. Equal Housing Opportunity. Regulated by the Division of Real Estate. - Colorado Springs, CO
719-592-0855 www.ReverseLoansInColorado.com

I really feel sorry for mortgage brokers, as often they get strung along by the wholesaler with what I call "running conditions". Not only does it send real estate agents to the medicine cabinent looking for the advil, but think what it does to the buyer!!! (That's why I would only work for a correspondent lender - best of both worlds!)

Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM
Al Dobbs
ADD Real Estate - North Chicago, IL

No deal is truly closed;until after they start handing out the checks. That is when I start to breath easy.

Oct 27, 2009 06:46 PM
Peter Rozsa
Cupertino, CA - Cupertino, CA

I normally release loan contingency with the added disclaimer: "....pending funding". The seller always questions this and I explain that I've seen loans pulled the same day as closing, before funding. If I had released loan contingency, my buyer would be out their deposit.

I always tell my buyer nothing is for certain until the loan funds. Then they asked me why did the bank tell them to release loan contingency. I told my buyer because it's not their deposit at risk.

Oct 28, 2009 03:56 AM
Patricia Beck
RE/MAX Properties, Inc., ABR, GRI, SRES - Colorado Springs, CO
Colorado Springs Realty

These days, nothing is official until closing. Buyers not being approved for financing is unfortunately very common...this reality worries so many sellers because nothing is for sure.

Nov 01, 2009 05:02 PM
Jenny Durling
L.A. Property Solutions - Los Angeles, CA
For Los Angeles real estate help 213-215-4758

Great post- it reminds me just how scary the loan process is and how it's never over 'til it's over!

Nov 03, 2009 04:42 PM