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ARE Local Association Members Being Scammed with Phony Health Insurance Deals?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with AZ Veteran Notary Services CA BRE 01444168

I have been one of the uninsured that seems to have congress in an uproar, for about 3 years now.  Before the Government starts making plans for me, I thought it best that I establish my own baseline of heath care and go back to Kaiser, who has been my family's primary medical provider, for as long as I can remember.

I received several emails this month, telling me about an "OPEN ENROLLMENT" period for Kaiser, that would expire on October 31st.  Being the procrastinator that I am, the decision to look into this had been put off since the early part of the month. 

A couple of days ago, I got serious, after reading one more warning from "THE BENEFIT STORE".  So, I followed the lead in the email and visited their site, providing some personal information before I could see the rates and different plans available.    What I received is the following email, with 3 different PDF attachments of the Good, Better and Best plans available to me.  To be honest, I was pretty blown away by the prices - but what did I know, I hadn't paid for health insurance premiums for several years, and now I'm even in an older age bracket - ouch.

Benefit Store Health Insurance Solicitation email

Before we go on, I want to point out that this is addressed to "ALL MEMBERS ADDRESSED"  and that this if thanking me for my "Interest in Medical Programs for Local REALTOR® Association Members."

So, I looked at several of the programs.  Penciled out the numbers as if I were going to have 10 office visits during the year and see what my total out of pocket would be, based on the numerous variables.  Fortunately for me, I did this in my office and left the results on a yellow pad, on my desk.

I called the company and was told by a very busy sounding switchboard operator that someone would call me by 8:00 p.m.  OK, I admit, I felt disapointed but determined now, to get some heath coverage before the window was shut tight for another year.

Well, I got the call around 6:30...just as my wife and I were sitting down to dinner.  I asked him to call back in a half hour.  So, 90 minutes later he calls.  I told him I was no longer in the mood to talk business that I was unwinding and relaxing with my family and asked if he could call me in the morning.

Turns out that our telemarketer friend doesn't come to work until 6:00 p.m. and he asked if it would be OK if his boss called.  I agreed.  Fortunately, I did not take the call when it came in as I was busy tending to my real estate business.

I had some down-time later in the afternoon and thought I would check it out a little further, before returning the call and signing up.  First, I went to the NAR website only to find that NAR does not offer any group medical insurance.  OK, I admit I was confused, so I quickly checked the CAR site, looking up the member benefits and still did not see any reference to an open enrollment with Kaiser or any other health insurance provider, either.

Time to pull out the email and start reading between the lines.   Hmmmmmmm

So, once again I look closely at the attachments and study 2 or 3 plans that I had narrowed down the results to include. 

BenefitStore.Com Best Value Co-Pay Plan

 

I quickly re-figured the numbers and just did not feel good about what I saw.  A plan without a deductible and a $20 co-pay would have cost me $648.96 a month, as a 55 year old male.

 

Kaiser Rate Quote

At this point, I decided to visit the Kaiser website at www.KP.Org.

Answered just a few questions and nothing more detailed than my date of birth...without even giving my name.  And then, viola I had a simple to understand list of numerous plans for me to select from...none of which were identical to the Benefit Store plans.  The good news is they were all a lot cheaper!

The most similar plan that Kaiser offered me, directly was for a $25 co-pay and no deductible for only $462.00 per month...MY GOSH, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF $186.96 PER MONTH....I CAN'T BELIEVE IT - IT'S $2,243.52 A YEAR HIGHER FOR NEARLY IDENTICAL INSURANCE - USING THE EXACT SAME PROVIDER.  Looking at the fine print, it appears as if every other line item in the benefit coverage was identical.

So, I for one think this is a phony offer.  They may have a legal license to sell this policy and it may be 100% legal...I don't know, but I believe in my heart that this is a phony offer and even borderline fraud as every insinuation is that as a member of my local REALTOR Association I am eligible for this benefit.  What I find humorous is no where do they use the term benefit except in the name of their company.

REALTORS - please be careful...it's bad enough we have to worry about bad guys laying in wait at vacant homes wanting to do us harm...there are bad guys out there lurking in your email box, too.  Had they been able to connect me to an agent yesterday afternoon, I would have gone down for the count and been done with it...feeling good that I was once again insured.  Well Guess What, just over 24 hours later and I do feel good - because I am insured and $2,243.52 richer...heck, that's like selling one more home!

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Until Next Time, Have a Blessed Day,

John Occhi, ePRO, REALTOR®
DRE Lic No: 01444168


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John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Kaye, (54)

Thanks, but according to the plan sheets that I see, I should be at the same rate level for 5 years...yes, there will be increase across the board, but not aimes specifically at me.

John

Oct 30, 2009 03:38 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Deborah, (55)

THis is a whole other topic which I have really tried to stay away from - the sad commentary is that we have people out there trying to rip us off under the cover of being a benefit...  That is sad

John

Oct 30, 2009 03:39 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I will have to take a close look at things and maybe see if we can get signed up directly.  I was rejected for non-group coverage a few years ago.  I have no serious health issues.

Oct 30, 2009 04:21 AM
Anonymous
Karen Burns

Hi John,

Yesterday I received an email stating NAR is pleased to introduce REALTORS® Core Health Insurance (RCHI). RCHI offers affordable, guaranteed-acceptance, Limited Medical insurance plans exclusively for NAR members aged 18-65

It is also listed on NAR's websute. The rates don't vary according to age bracket or pre-existing conditions, just have to be in the 18-65. There are 3 options to choose from which vary in price. It is a very affordable limited medical plan. I also checked and saw plenty of doctors in my area accept this plan.

Check it out at the realtor.org website!

Karen Burns

Oct 30, 2009 04:45 AM
#60
Anonymous
Karen Burns

I wanted to add to my comment above that quotes per month for my husband and me were $136, $205, or $336.

Oct 30, 2009 04:51 AM
#61
Steve Andrascik
Lake Mead Area Realty - Boulder City, NV

I agree with Karen, John. I thought NAR had a health insurance plan. Seems they sent or e mailed me information on it. Yes, there are a lot of scammers that are fast talkers our there. Lucky for me, the Veterans Administration is my health care provider.

Boulder City Steve

Oct 30, 2009 06:46 AM
Marian Pierre-Louis
Fieldstone Historic Research - Medway, MA
Metrowest Boston

Thanks for taking the time to share this with your fellow realtors.  It can be scary out there.

Oct 30, 2009 08:20 AM
DeeDee Riley
Lyon Real Estate - El Dorado Hills CA - El Dorado Hills, CA
Realtor - El Dorado Hills & the Surrounding Areas

Thanks for the heads up, John.  It's kind of like finding an airfair on Travelocity, and then going directly to the airline and finding it cheaper there.   

Oct 30, 2009 04:46 PM
Courtney Peace Hagins
High Tide Associates Realty / Management - Hilton Head Island, SC
ABR CDPE HRC SFR

Good reading. I have had calls, emails & faxes from several health insurance companies out of the wazoo lately. I  think it started when I was looking into different websites & exploring. Once your email address is captured, the flood gate is opened. John is right, you do have to read the fine lines and in between the lines. Some of the health care programs are not necessarily insurance coverage, but are plans over & above an actual insurance policy. Read, read, read and then read again.

Courtney Peace Hagins    ABR  CDPE     RE/MAX Island Realty   Hilton Head Island, SC

Oct 30, 2009 10:42 PM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Gene (59),

Good luck - wonder why you were rejected?  If you can't go direct, find a good local agent in town who wants to earn your business and will find a poplicy for you.

John

 

Oct 31, 2009 02:26 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Karen (60 & 61)

I saw that and considered adding that info to this article but I decided I did not want to over-complicate the message I was trying to put across; and that is that there are scam artists misrepresenting their relationships who are looking to take advantage of us.

As far as the Core Policy is good, in my opinion, if you carry a high deductable and allow the CORE to supplement your basic policy.  As far as HMO (which is what Kaiser is) I don't see the need.  I did speak with a rep on the phone and she made a good case why it is good to have, but I'll pay for the better policy and keep it simple with just one payment and one policy - with Kaiser, there are no claim forms and not sure how that would work out having Kaiser sign off on claim forms with every visist.

Thanks for sharing for those who have not yet heard of this policy.

John

Oct 31, 2009 02:31 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Steve,

I too am eligible for VA coverage.  I thought I heard they cut the benefit way back for those without a service connected disability or injury.  Besides, the VA is a long way from my rural town, and that too is an issue.

John

Oct 31, 2009 02:33 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Marian, (63)

You are more than welcome.  Scarier even than tonights Haloween festivities?  YOu bet.

John

Oct 31, 2009 02:34 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

DeeDee (64)

Well I guess Travelocity is luckey because I don't do a lot of traveling...but if I did and I found issues like that you can bet I'd be mad.  Not sure what I would be able to do except document every negative occurance.

John

Oct 31, 2009 02:36 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Courtney (65)

Thanks for those good points

John

Oct 31, 2009 02:37 AM
Stephanie Reynolds
Integrity First Financial Group, Inc. - Santee, CA
East County San Diego Homes 619-838-4408

John, Thank you for sharing this. I too looked into this program scam and found the same thing. Kaiser for an individual plan was a GREAT DEAL cheaper than quoted on this solicitation. It is always a good idea to research prior to buying anything of this nature.

Oct 31, 2009 03:11 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Stephanie,

Thank you for driving home my point.  Just leike we tell our clients, we have to do our own due dilligence.

John

Oct 31, 2009 03:19 AM
Mike Henderson
Your complete source for buying HUD homes - Littleton, CO
HUD Home Hub - 303-949-5848

On top of everything else I have to be a health insurance expert as well?

Nov 01, 2009 01:06 PM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

I need to be out there looking myself. Someone made the point above where being the richest nation on the planet and people are dying all around us because they Can't afford insurance.

Nov 03, 2009 07:43 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Does anyone wonder if the board is getting a commission or cut on this? That's possibly the higher premium? Wouldn't put it past them.

Nov 03, 2009 12:19 PM