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I suppose I'll be adding a new addendum about possible drywall issues for homes built or remodeled between 2004 and 2006.  The sulphate gasses from this toxic drywall can eat into framing, electric and even plumbing.  Lovely.

 

                     

 

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I see that I am far from the first Rainmaker to blog post on this.  In fact, others have far more information and so I'm adding their links here:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1227241/chinese-drywall-in-florida-and-louisiana-renovation-loans-may-help-major-problem

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1288902/do-you-have-chinese-drywall-in-your-home-

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1287695/chinese-drywall-is-causing-problems-and-insurance-is-being-pulled-on-those-homes-

 
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15 Comments on Toxic Drywall is turning into toxic assets

OCT
29
2009
320,877 Points

This is really turning into a nightmare for some customers I think adding a addendum to disclose this is perfect buyer's do need to be informed of this matter.

11:52am • #1
110,136 Points 3 Featured Posts

Hello Pat - I had not heard of it in this area (the northwest) before, but I see now that many others have written blog posts on the subject and so I added some to the post above.

11:58am • #2
235,428 Points Outside Blog

Virginia Beach just gave 15 homeowners a break by taxing the houese at $100 each because they can't live in them anymore.

3:26pm • #3
OCT
30
2009
110,136 Points 3 Featured Posts

Gene - That's nice that they have a program set up in Virginia Beach.  It seems to me that the insurance companies should cover the replacements immediately as if it is a post flooded house with a mold problem.  Seems an equivalent amount of toxicity. 

2:21pm • #4

A lot of insurance companies are not only denying claims, but are also cancelling policies on homes with toxic drywall and/or not renewing them.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHome/toxic-drywall-goodbye-insurance.aspx?gt1=33004

They don't want to pay to have the problems fixed, which could lead to more foreclosures from homeowners dumping or abandoning properties for lack of homeowners insurance.

One major problem for appraisers is, it is virtually impossible to know if the drywall in question has been used in the construction or not, without removing portions to see the manufacture info stamped on the underside.  The only other possible way to determine if it's present, is by any corrosion evidence or perhaps the smell.  Even home inspectors have a difficult time in determining its presense.

About all anyone can do, is add a statement to the possibility that Chinese drywall may be present for homes constructed between 2004 and 2008.  Similar to a statement that a property may be in a potential flood zone area, or in an area prone to ground fissures, or in proximity to an active fault line, etc., as an environmental concern.  I wonder how many deals will be deemed "killed by the appraiser" for such statements? - like checking the "declining market" box.

 

   

6:43pm • #5
NOV
02
2009
110,136 Points 3 Featured Posts

David - Ugh... So without the insurance companies being certain about the drywall are they simply not insuring houses built between 2004 and 2008?  Any material that has the power of eating your plumbing and electrical is definitely  more than just a nuisance.  For one wild second I was worried that we had used some of this sheetrock when finishing our basement... until I realized we spent far more than $3 a sheet for it.

10:24am • #6

Sara  -  It is my understanding that homes built between 04 and 08 have been insured since their purchase date.  Most homeowners get homeowners insurance when they purchase a home to cover claims such as storm damage, flooding, theft/burglary, fire, etc.  But what I read, the insurance companies are flat out refusing to cover any claims for damage caused by the toxic (Chinese) drywall that was used during the construction. 

As a result, anyone filing a claim associated with the drywall are finding their carrier will not honor the claim and subsequently are cancelling the policy and/or will not renew the policy.  I'm sure those homeowners that are affected by the carrier's action will have difficulty obtaining insurance with another carrier.  Close knit corrupt industry if you know what I mean.  Much like real estate but with government backing in the form of laws requiring coverage.

The only recourse is to file a lawsuit against the builder, and/or sub-constractor, for damages and to fix the property, which could take months if not years to settle.  I'm sure many will decide to just walk away and let the property go into foreclosure.

Knowledge of the use of Chinese drywall has been around for a couple of years.  I first read about it's use around the end of 2007 and there have been quite a few articles about it back in March/April of this year.  From what I have read, it is showing up in most states in the continental US.  Mostly in the Gulf Coast states and Florida.  Other areas have been the Great Lakes region and Northwest.  Even in my area I have gone into some reo properties with a rotten egg smell.  The listing agents that provided me access claimed it was just stagnant water in the plumbing - yea right!! - I'm not a gullible buyer and I do keep up to date on real estate construction (costs, procedures, materials, etc).

 

 

4:52pm • #7
110,136 Points 3 Featured Posts

Lovely.  Now I have a new smell to look for.... Believe me, I would certainly perk up at 'rotten-egg smell'.  We don't have very many hot springs feeding houses around here and the other rotten-egg smell would be a natural gas leak.

9:25pm • #8
NOV
04
2009
267,693 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Wow, if the toxins can eat into framing and electrical, I can only imagine what it can do to our lungs. Thanks for the post Sara.

7:03am • #9
110,136 Points 3 Featured Posts

Hi John - I was quite shocked by that, as well.  I would almost welcome mold if I had the option of the two.

8:31pm • #10
NOV
05
2009

Nothing better than going into a home that smells like a Rotten Egg factory!!!!!

9:53am • #11
JAN
08
2010

Hi Sara,  How's the AMC thing been working out for you?  At least we got a 45 delay in the FHA implementation, until 2/15/10.  I'm hanging in there.  Still no AMC work, could be because I'm still asking for $325, lol.  I was thinking about doing home inspections, but I don't like getting dirty.  So, I'm heading back to school, and planning to take the classes necessary to get my commercial license.  I've been hearing other storys about AMC's pressuring appraisers, no surprise I guess.  Let me know how things are working out for you.  I'm currently listed under AGENTS, in WHITTIER CALIFORNIA,

10:50pm • #13
1 Featured Post

Sara, check out the FHA / HUD guidelines to lenders. I read somewhere that guidelines have been issued that are pretty generous to the homeowners. Now, if only similar guidelines had been issued to lenders two years ago, we might not be in the mess we're in now.

11:38pm • #14
MAR
17
2010

It reminds me of how you have to use acid free plastic to store your photos, now you have to do it to build your house. 

7:02am • #15
110,136 Points 3 Featured Posts

Hi Gregg - I don't have one AMC that's painless.  Either they contact me hourly, want my forms converted into some crappy file type, want to take 50% of my fees or are just out and out incompetent.  I'm still hanging on to the hope that HVCC will see these issues (as well as longer turn times and slack-jawed appraisers that will accept a 1004 for $150) and fix them.  It's a nice dream, anyway. Good luck with school!

Andrew - I have another blog out there somewhere talking about how underwriters have required attic and crawl space photos in my report my favorite, that I enter that:

"confirm that the Utilities were on at the time of the inspection and that all systems were functioning properly, and that the subject property "Meets HUD Handbooks 4150.2 & 4905.1"

If you click the link you might wonder how an appraiser would automatically know thinks like whether the dwelling meets Rural Development thermal standards. 

I'm always tempted call for an inspector whenever they ask me to enter that into an appraisal to CMA.

All Brokers - Yes, plastic being such an environmentally safe product, I'm sure that wouldn't be an issue in 10 years ;-)

 

 

11:16am • #16


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