Okay we know that just having a pulse doesn't work any more. And we know that the programs are no longer tailor made to meet evey applicants individual needs. BUT;

What are the guidelines now, anyway?

Conventional;

We still have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guidelines as a basis, and we still use automated approvals as an approval basis, but they don't stand alone as approval criteria anymore. Now we also have guidelines which are established by and enforced by the individual lenders. Company policies, so to speak. A Loan Officer or Underwriter may state that, that's a Fannie Mae guideline, but that may often not be the case. 

Also, in many cases we have guidelines/requirements attached to our warehouse lines. A warehouse line is used to fund a loan, while it is waiting to be sold. Because some companies failed, and still had millions on their warehouse lines, the warehouse lenders put on additional restrictions, so they would be could be sold, in the event that the warehouse lender was stuck with the loan.

The adding of guidelines is often referred to as layering and varies from one entity to another. In my opinion, this practice of, and by itself supports the need for more sources, such as mortgage brokers, to sift through the layering and identify a lending source that fits, or feels comfortable with a buyers needs.

Government;

FHA, VA, USDA/RD are all govern(mental) lending systems and as such you would think that they would be more consistent. You would be thinking wrong.

They do all offer a low and/or no downpayment option, which is greatly needed in todays market.

They do have different ways of looking at the property, which in my market specifically, has played an important role. We've had a lot of foreclosures, so on an FHA loan look out for;

Flipping

There will be no FHA loan in most cases unless the property has been held for 90 days. Then we need two appraisals up to 120 days.

For whatever reason VA and USDA/RD do not have that guideline. Why not? You figure it out, because I don't know.

What about their other guidelines? Let me sum it up as nicely and as simply as possible.

The govern(mental) guidelines are whatever the underwriter says they are!

That's it in a nutshell!

Is it consistent? No. Fair? No. Insane? Maybe (yes came close as an answer).

So when I'm asked;

What are the guidelines, anyway?

Sometimes the proper answer is;

I'm not sure!

  

 
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11 Comments on Underwriting Guidelines, What are they anyway?

NOV
03
383,807 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Interesting USDA has a model but even if you fit the model you may have problems in underwriting. This makes the whole loan process iffy . Your post is on the money

7:09am • #1
282,463 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog

It seems too me guidelines are a moving target anymore. Im glad I got out of the Mortgage end when I did.

7:09am • #2
Outside Blog

Jay, Thanks for your explanation and commentary on the current Underwriting Guidelines.  It seems to be changing constantly.  Hopefully, we'll end up in a place that protects consumers from abuse.

7:10am • #3

Hi Jay,

Yesterday I had a buyer ask what the guidelines are.  I used your final answer "I don't know" but added "anymore, but if you have good credit and at least 5% down you shouldn't have a problem."  I hope that still works!

Verlyn

7:11am • #4
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Charlie,

good loan officers and processors need to be able to spot weaknesses in the files that may appear outside the guidelines, but will make an underwriter feel uncomfortable. and fix them before submission.

Laura,

it is a little crazy, but i still love it.

Barbara,

constant change is the rule. we just have to deal with it. at some point in time i believe that companies will start saying they use "common sense" guidelines. maybe they will, maybe they won't.

Verlyn,

i usually start out with buyers with an explanation of who i am and who i work for. that also includes a brief discussion about the lack of common sense in the mortgage markets upfront. better to get it on the table initially, in my opinion.

Jay  

7:19am • #5

Jay...Thanks for the very easy way of explaining what's going on. Your proper answer is the only answer at this time! And I'm with you...crazy times but I still love it.

All The Best ~

7:55am • #6
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Maria,

thank you.

we will persevere.

jay

8:22am • #7
Outside Blog

It's so true...the guidelines are a moving target.  It seems everyday I get another e-mail about yet another change.  I've had some files where the underwriter didn't know about a change and I had to send them the link to the update.  Plus with the automated systems, they don't update them immediately, so you might get an approve but the loan doesn't meet the new guidelines.  It's frustrating as heck but as they say, it is what it is....

9:38am • #8
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Michael,

another problem is a (marginal) buyer who waits 30-60-90 days and gets guidelined out of the market.

kinda like when the subs died, and those buyers who only fit in that category who were waiting for a better deal, died with the program.

oh well, forward!

jay

1:34pm • #9
NOV
04

"There will be no FHA loan in most cases unless the property has been held for 90 days. Then we need two appraisals up to 120 days".....

I am starting to see more and more REO sales with restrictions as to how soon the property can be sold

Nice blog as usual Jay!

5:54am • #10
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Debbie,

thanks,

it would be nice to just have the market sit and stabilize, but i believe we will continue to see constant changes in how we do business, at least for the near future.

jay  

6:46am • #11

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