arms length short saleEvery so often, I receive a phone call from a seller who is upside down on the mortgage and wants to sell a home in Sacramento as a short sale to a family member. These callers have a hard time understanding that most banks will insist on an arm's-length transaction, which means they can't sell the home as a short sale to a person who is related to them.

Sometimes, sellers will go a step further and try to make special arrangements with the buyer of that short sale. They ask if they can rent the home back from the buyer. In many cases, they can't. Moreover, they probably can't sell to a business associate.

Why not? Because the bank may demand it.  A short sale seller can't financially benefit, directly or indirectly, from a short sale. A lot of banks have caught wind of the potential for mortgage fraud and are trying to put a stop to it. Whenever people are in financial distress, though, you'll find crooks cooking up ways to capitalize on misfortune.

As a Sacramento short sale agent, it's easy for me to spot potential mortgage fraud in short sale transactions. There's so much of it. You've got investors trying to double escrow short sales as well. But if a bank requires that all parties sign an Affidavit of Arm's-Length Transaction, all parties are required to sign it and could potentially be held liable for mortgage fraud if they violate the terms. Here is a sample Arm's-Length Transaction Affidavit from Wells Fargo (they really need an editor; man, you can send a lawyer to law school but you can't make them English majors):

"All parties to the contract on the premises dated XXXX, Property address: XXXX, hereby affirm that this is an Arm's-Length Transaction.

"No party to this contract is a family member, business associate or share a business interest with the mortgagor. Further, there are no hidden terms or special understandings between the seller or buyer or their agents or the mortgagee.

"The buyers and sellers nor their agents have any agreements written or implied that will allow the seller to remain in the property as renters or regain ownership of said property at anytime after the execution of this short sale transaction. None of the parties shall receive any proceeds from this transaction except the sales commission."

A short sale bank, one of those 3-letter banks, closed a file yesterday because the buyers didn't return the Arm's-Length Transaction Affidavit in a timely manner. I had badgered the buyer's agent until the cows came home, but he couldn't get the documents back to me. We explained to the bank that the buyers were on vacation and couldn't be reached, but the bank didn't care. It just closed the file. This means the short sale process starts over from scratch, even though the bank now holds the fully executed Arm's-Length Transaction Affidavit. Lovely.

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Elizabeth Weintraub is an author, home buying columnist for The New York Times-owned About.com, a Land Park resident, and a Land Park real estate agent who specializes in older, classic homes in Land Park, Curtis Park, Midtown and East Sacramento. Weintraub is also a Sacramento Short Sale agent who lists and successfully sells short sales throughout Sacramento. Call Elizabeth Weintraub at 916.233.6759. Put 35 years of real estate experience to work for you. DRE License # 00697006.

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16 Comments on Arm's-Length Means You Can't Buy Your Mom's Sacramento Short Sale

NOV
03
164,900 Points 1 Featured Post

Oh I've heard worse.....I had a "seller" call me who wanted to buy his own short sale. He inherited some money and wanted to list his home for short sale and then "buy" it back for cash for a much lower amount. Using an LLC as a cover.....Thanks but "no thanks".....unbelievable

9:11am • #1

Elizabeth,

 

Here is an interesting foreclosure transaction in Sacramento where the son of the banker purchased the property.

 

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=69721&catid=2

9:25am • #2
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Happens all the time.  I have borrowers tell me they can't afford their home and want a family member to buy their house through a short sale.  Then they don't understand when I tell them they can't.  Crazy things happen everyday...

9:29am • #3
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Thanks, Sindee, for that link. It surely reflects poorly on U.S. Bank and everybody involved in this transaction, including the agent. I suppose the asset manager will be fired. I believe the bank has a fiduciary responsibility to get the most that it can for its under-performing asset. It's unbelievable that it would seize another's property and then sell it to a family member. This isn't the Medici family -- this is a bank taking bailout money. And those poor neighbors in Rancho Murieta, though. This severely discounted distressed sale may dramatically affect their values.

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9:50am • #4
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I've encountered a slew of these type of transactions in our area.  A mother who has her son's property listed, an agent who has their own property listed and more.  Everytime I ask about an arms length transaction they say oh there won't be any problem with the bank on this.  Hmm I think I'll pass.

10:16am • #5
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There is one bank in my area that I just don't show their foreclosures because I have seen the difference in how they deal with them with "connected" and non connected owners.  My broker's license is important to me and I'm not loosing it over one deal.  I won't be involved if I have the slightest concern it's not all on the up and up.

10:36am • #6
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Yes, we hear it too. Isn't it so frustrating when you do all you can and the buyers take their sweet time and oops now we start all over - argh! ~Rita

11:01am • #7
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Hi Cindy: Yes, I pass on these, too. Sometimes you might want to ask: if it's such a good idea, why isn't everybody doing it? And they may believe that everybody is -- to which the only retort to that sentiment is if Johnny jumped off a cliff, that doesn't mean you should follow.

Hi Tammy: I take it that you read that link. Isn't that astonishing? Furthermore, the agent says she was just following the orders of the bank. That's always the excuse. Like Nazis, "I vas just following orders." Give me a break.

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11:07am • #8
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Hi Elizabeth... this is funny... just this past weekend I was thinking about writing a post on this very topic.  I get calls on this scenario fairly regularly and most banks have all become quite clear on it... the Short Sale MUST be an arms length transaction.

11:09am • #9
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Eliozabeth, I actually own several rental propertues that I would LOVE to sell to myself as a short sale. But of course we know you just can't do that stuff. People will keep trying though.

3:40pm • #10
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Elizabeth,

Great reminder about what "Arm's-Length" means. And so sorry you have to start all over! I can only imagine how frustrating that would be. Hope the next one goes better!

3:45pm • #11
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Elizabeth:  Great blog post, and reminds me of a call I got a few weeks ago.  Meant to blog about it but never did.

5:56pm • #12
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There is another "mortgage pro" in our area who runs around bragging that he is the busiest he has ever been...even during the peak of the market. He goes on to explain that all he does is find distressed owners who have a family member (with a different last name) who will purchase the home as a short sale.  Goodness... he might as well walk around with a sandwich board that says... I profit by committing mortgage fraud... arrest me now!    Erin

5:57pm • #13
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I'm sure we will continue to find people that will try to get around the systems and it makes it more difficult for the legitimate transactions.

11:38pm • #14
NOV
04
247,678 Points 5 Featured Posts

With all the insistence of "arms-length" on short-sales and foreclosures, there still seems to be those that manage either through use of a third party or straw person, to do what they want to do. 

One notorious sale in Rancho Murietta seems to be raising questions.  The story can be access via the KXTV Channel 10 website at: http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=69721&provider=top&catid=188

 

12:14am • #15
NOV
05
342,765 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

  We have said it,....blogged it....repeated it ....and those who choose not to learn....just will not and everyone suffers s a result...no straws....no cousins...rich uncles...just say no.

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