This week, at three inspections in a row, I found TPR drain lines that were improperly installed. By improperly installed, I mean that they were routed up. In some cases there were other defects as well -- the TPR drain was routed into flex tubing, a no no, or the line terminated in the crawl space or too high off the ground outside.

  

In one case the homeowner wanted to argue that this is not a problem because pressurized water is involved so I did not know what I was talking about. He is wrong. This arrangement is not allowed in any professional plumbing standards and it violates any plumbing code that is published.

What the fellow says, if you know nothing about it, makes sense. You envision water coming out of the TPR valve under high pressure and as steam. The fact is, this valve may discharge water periodically, as part of it doing it's job. That is especially true if there is what is called a closed system and if there is no thermal expansion tank. These valves are factory set at 150 PSI. I have seen municipal water pressure to homes that was too high -- over 130 PSI. 80 PSI is the top of the normal range and that is considered to be too high by most plumbers. In high pressure situations like that, where the water heater is under stress to begin with, I have seen these valves discharge water. And it is NOTHING like a steamy situation. In the average situation, as the tank heats and pressure hits 150 PSI, anywhere from a few drops to a cup or so of water comes out. That relieves the pressure for awhile, then it may build up again and discharge more. The water coming out the drain is NOT superheated. It is the same temperature as the hot water being used in the house. About the only way the discharge water will be superheated is if the thermostat should stick on. The valve is relieving pressure, not temperature. Sometimes the two coincide but not always.

If the valve is routed up, and any amount from a few drops to a cup of water flows out, as you can see above in the photo, that small amount of water would stay in the pipe -- up tight to the valve. Overtime, that can lead to corrosion, damage and failure of the valve. When that happens, then you have a big safety issue.

Sometimes homeowners, who know a little bit, but not nearly as much as they think they know, can be their own worst enemies.

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Steven L. Smith

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12 Comments on Three In A Row Ain't Good

NOV
07
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Hey, Steven,

This is a valuable post.  I imagine PR stands for Pressure Relief, but I'm not sure what the T stands for--we don't seem to use that term in this area.

 

9:20pm • #1
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Nancy,

Sorry that is a word we inspectors use -- temperature pressure relief valve or TPRV.

9:44pm • #2
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Well you know what they say "they come in threes" - not sure who they are though!!! By-the-way I have some new pics of a plumb squirrel I need to post :) ~Rita

9:46pm • #3
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So true Steve----seems like I see this about every 2 out of 10 inspections---more often if I am not looking at anything new.

10:44pm • #4
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Rita,

You need to let Nutsy know when you are ready to post them. He is not in town today. He was down helping Charlie inspect a tree house.

10:48pm • #5
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08
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The plumbing code is a minimum standard primarily for safety purposes.  It seems foolish to not at least consider the code when design a system, especially if yoy haven't get the practical experience.

1:06am • #6
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Steven, I rarely see this in my area. Maybe the plumbers in your area need to take Plumbing 101 again. We all know WHAT flows downhill now don't we... 

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Steven, I am learning to recognize more and more problems here in the 'rain. When, in the process of looking at a home (unless something is glaring at me) I see what I perceive to be an issue, I remind my potential buyers that they will have to get an inspection. I have seen this one time as an issue in an inspection, and it was a fairly new install on the tank too.

Very very sloppy work indeed.

5:46am • #8
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Michhael,

These are probably handyman jobs.

Charles P,

Very true.

9:25am • #9

Reminds me of the time you and I went out to the fancy house with the (unmentionable RE agent) and he got very angry about calling out the new "updraft" TPR drainline.  Handy man's (or woman's) delight. 

11:28am • #10
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David,

Your cat has turned into a kid. I remember that too. If it had been possible to do so I think that agent could have used some TPR relief that day.

12:24pm • #11
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Steve, I'm glad you published this.  I was really getting ready for another water-heater fix.  : )

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