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Hard To Fight City Hall

Today, will be historic either way.

Speaker Pelosi is planning a vote on the health care bill in the House. This is an unusual Saturday session, but unusual measures call for unusual measures. How often is it that a few elected elitists attempt to change the basic fiber of America - and may actually get away with it (for now)?

Let's see, Pelosi is for its passage, Obama is for it, Hoyer and most of the other leading Democrats are for it, the AMA is for it (for now), the unions are for it, the AARP is for it. On the surface, this looks impressive.

The flip side is that none of the House Republicans are for it and aren't expected to cast a single vote for it. Also, the majority of Americans are against it.

In summary, Big Government and Big Unions want it. The average citizen does not want it. Result, we may get it anyway because we really don't know what's good for us.

Of course, it could fail to pass. That would really be historic and worthy of a celebration.

Never forget that the 2010 election season has begun. I expect to see many new faces a year from now. In fact, I'm counting on it.

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Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Real Estate Sales & Marketing Consulting and Strategies on 11/07/2009 01:19 PM

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21 Comments on Hard To Fight City Hall

NOV

Steve: I very much fail to see the logic in the conclusions you continue to draw. It appears to me that your mind has already been made up, and no matter what happens, you are against this bill.

It is really funny... or tragic, depending on your point of view, that some surveys show that a majority of Americans are in favor of passage of the health care bill.

And, although there are some Democrats who are against the bill, and will vote that way... at least THEY feel that they can vote their consciences... and NOT have to follow the dictates and orders of their party bosses... like all the Little Republicans who march, or are intimidated to march, in lockstep with their party bosses. Boo on them. I sure wish they were brave enough to speak their own minds.

Steve: Most polls show 70% of America wants a strong public option and reform of the health insurance business. If we were to take the fip-side of your post, the all Republicans, all Big Pharma and all Big Insurance companies want 35-40 MILLION Amercians without health insurance.

I hope the bill passes with a strong public option.

For what it's worth, this nearly exact post was deleted by another member of AR who wants NO DISCUSSION or challenge to her assumptions on health care. Guess she has great health insurance. I sure do. The American public deserves the same coverage that Congress has, the coverage that my tax dollars pays for. Is that wrong?

Karen,

I am speaking my mind, and it definitely is made up. I am against any expansion of government. What you fail to realize is that this bill is not about health care. It's about a total power play by the federal government, erosion of freedoms, and spending the likes of which this country has never seen. It is a game changer for America - and not for the good. :)

Steve

Scott,

Most Americans do not want this bill because they do not want their government calling the shots. Most people are happy with what they have now - they just would like it to cost less. Forget that 40 million number. The number is closer to 10 million. Besides, the Pelosi bill still leaves 4% of the people uninsured. I can think of very few things as injurious to this country as government health care. You won't get the Congressional policy with the governmnet option anyway. They opted out. :)

Steve

Steve,

I am not for the "health care" bill. For one thing it is not about health care as much as it is touted as being about health care reform. In actuality it is health insurance reform which does not address the problem of the high cost of health care whatsoever.

I do not know of any doc-a-tor, physician, nurse, hospital or providers of equipment, medications or any and all products needed to provide medical care voluntarily reducing their pay or cost of supplies/equipment so that all Americans could afford medical care.

As for me being intimidated to march or express my opinion by any political party is certainly a stretch by anyone's imagination.

Steve: My numbers are correct and I stand by them. The republican alternative would insure only 3 million of the 35-40 million. In my world, 70% is most people, not 30%.

Steve - while Scott is right in the most polls show people want a public option (delete the word strong), those same polls show that the same people do not want what either the house or the senate has come up with. And, while the AMA might be for it, at least 40% of doctors polled stated that they would retire if any of the currently proposed bills were passed. And, while AARP, the organization, might be for it, polls show that the majority of seniors, those of age to be AARP members, are against the proposed bills.

You and I are in agreement, this is not about health care or access to insurance, it is about control.

Ross,

Glad to have your support against this bill. :)

Steve

Scott,

Don't know where that number came from, but it is irrelevant. The federal government is not empowered to provide health care (nor should we even be asking it to do so) - forget the costs, the power, and all of the other issues.:)

Steve

Mike,

Control - that is what's at stake. Thanks. :)

Steve

Steve: So you find it acceptable that 35-40 milllion Americans have no insurance? That a person can be denied coverage for pre-existing condition? That we are unable to purchase generic drugs by choice, keeping some with insurance from going broke? I just find that unacceptable. I hope you do too.

Actually what I find unacceptable is not the cost of health insruance but that the cost of health care is so great that insurance is required to access it.

Ross: Very good point.

Ross,

Well said, and Medicare seems to be the vehicle that put us on this path. :)

Steve

NOV

Scott- The 35- 40 million people you are talking about is an incorrect figure because of what that entails. Some of those are illegal aliens, millions of those are poor people who qualify for medicare and medicaid and do not go and get it, many among that number are young people and others like me who choose NOT to spend their money on insurance premiums and that is my choice.

This bill takes away my freedom of choice. It forces me to get insurance that I don't want. I have a medical savings plan and catastrophe insurance with a very high deductable. Why? Because I pay as I go. I make deals with the doctors. Nestor broke his leg and the cost to us when we told the ortho we were self pay was $650. He told us if we had insurance, the insurance charge would be $3500 for the same thing because of the added employees and red tape just to process claims and some other junk. That $650 is less than what it would cost us for just one month of insurance.

We only go to the doctor once a year for our yearly exam. I pay out of pocket for that as I believe all people except the poor should. You don't get oil changes and new tires covered with your car insurance. Insurance is overrated and overused and will just get worse with a public option.

But even worse, this bill would force me to get the health insurance that they mandate me to get and if I refuse to get it, the fine is $250,000 and if I don't pay, the IRS who is in charge of this fine, will get to put me in jail. I guess they are planning alot of new beds in jails because where are they going to hold all of us? I don't want health insurance because I do homeopathic treatments, chiropractors, accupuncture, massage therapy, herbs, supplements- etc- and none of that is covered. I pay out of my pocket for that and that is my choice. Why take my choice away from me? Why tell me what I have to pay for? I don't need a nanny.

Big Pharma is for this bill. Who are you kidding saying that Big Pharma doesn't want the bill? They had a meeting at the white house and were promised that if they backed this bill that they would not be forced to lower the prices of their meds. Big Pharma is in bed with REPS and DEMS; not a party issue, a government sleeping in bed with big biz issue.

It is never about the bill, it is never about the people or what they want. It is the biggest slam of anti capitalism ever- the closed door special interest meetings for their own agendas.

Why do you think AARP is for the health care bill? Because they were promised that if they backed the bill that the bill would eliminate medicare's supplemental insurance for seniors. Whey would the AARP back that one up against their own members? Because the biggest seller of GAP insurance is AARP! When the supplemental is cancelled out with this bill- the seniors will buy their GAP insurance from AARP! Hmmm, follow the money.

The single best thing to do is allow free markets to prevail and allow insurance companies to sell insurance across state lines. That would drop the prices so fast, it would also start the competition for preexisting conditions to be covered. But do you know who does not want that to happen? The government who wants to control health care and Big Insurance - Blue Cross and Blue Shield! Why! Because they are promised that if they back this bill that they will be the only companies to benefit thus shutting down small independent insurance companies across the country. Why do they not want fair and free markets- follow the money.

We'll see how much of a statement the 2010 elections make about our acceptance of the new socialism, although I also know the dupes that accept it (socialism) will be told how to interpret the voter's statement.

Katerina and Nestor,

With the possible exception of the cap and trade, this bill is the most anti-captialist piece of legislation proposed in modern time - forget being passed. Nicely stated argument. :)

Steve

Jon,

Agreed. I know 220 Representatives who are now targeted for removal from office at the ballot box. It's still a free country, and they chose for us to vote them out of office. Let's oblige them. :)

Steve

NOV

Ross, so tell me. Why do people owe you part of their life? That *is* what you are demanding you be GIVEN. Do you beg on the street for your meals too? Do you work for free?

By stating that healthcare should be so cheap you wouldn't need insurance means that any person who spent at minimum 11 years of their life working very hard, paid or more likely borrowed $200,000 or more for their education, should then live in poverty to pay back those loans and offer their hard earned services and knowledge for cheap.

Wow, you are an entitled one aren't you? Do you have any other slaves in mind?

Scott, welcome to the real world. This isn't a utopia and one does not exist. Also there isn't a tooth fairy. It might be unacceptable to you, but don't offer other peoples lives and hard earnings up for your benefit. Why does anyone owe you anything?

Idiot obama keeps making the comparison between car insurance and healthcare insurance. Big problem with that comparison though. No one is FORCED to purchase car insurance...you simply don't drive. Also, you can't cause a 10 car accident and THEN go buy car insurance!

Pesky details! LOL

The number of years of education should be 24 not 11. It is 11 after HS graduation.

Georgia,

Thank you. Through free enterprise, doctors are able to offer their services at whatever price they like. It doesn't have to be expensive. One of the things Medicare has given us is an insurance skewed pricing system that defeats the contract negotiation between provider (doctor) and client. :)

Steve

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