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MORE MISTAKES REVEALED ON HASAN INVESTIGATION

As each day passes we learn more about the mistakes made in the investigation of the alleged Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Malik Hasan. I have already removed his rank as I think it is an insult to those who have served us with honor.

It now appears that as early as 2007, red flags were being waved in our faces - and once again (as mentioned in this blog a few days ago) - the "PC mentality" that exists in all branches of our military, seems to have been in the way of someone - ANYONE - doing the right thing with this man.

Back in 2007 Hasan did a powerpoint presentation. According to the Washington Post, this is not what was supposed to happen. It was supposed to be a presentation on a medical topic during his senior year as a psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Medical Center.

Instead, he was put in front of senior military personnel with a 50 slide presentation, and "warned" the officers of "adverse events" if Muslim members of our military were not allowed to be excused war service in the theatres of Iraq and Afghanistan. He wanted them to be classed as "conscientious objectors".

That should have been enough frankly, but there is of course a lot more.

Fox News today on the switch of presentations: Instead, Hasan lectured his supervisors and two dozen mental health staff members on Islam, homicide bombings and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting against other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. A source who attended the presentation told the paper, "It was really strange. The senior doctors looked really upset."

And this quote from the Post article should have sent shivers down everyone's spine. "It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims."

Look at this - morally justify - INCREDIBLE!!

In a slide entitled "Comments", Hasan's last bullet point is truly chilling: "We love death more then [sic] you love life!"

Fox News again: A classmate of Hasan, meanwhile, told FoxNews.com that the warning signs were all there - the justification of homicide bombings; spewing anti-American hatred; efforts to reach out to Al Qaeda - but that the military treated Hasan with kid gloves, even after giving him a poor performance review.

In my mind, the classmate doesn't get a pass either. He should have reported his colleague.

Lt. Col. Val Finnell, Hasan's classmate at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., recalled one time when his classmates were giving presentations in an environmental health class on topics like soil and water contamination. "When it was Hasan's turn, he said, he got up in front of the class and began to speak about his chosen topic, "Is the War on Terror a war on Islam?" Finnell says he raised his hand. "I asked the professor, "What does this topic have to do with environmental health? When he was challenged on his views, Hasan became visibly upset. He became sweaty, he was emotional." - Fox News again.

I understand he was a student. I understand he is in the military, but frankly with what was at stake, he should have kept on shouting until somebody listened - especially when you consider the next comments.

Finnell recalled Hasan telling his classmates and professors, "I'm a Muslim first and I hold the Shariah, the Islamic Law, before the United States Constitution."

Take that in again...

"I'm a Muslim first and I hold the Shariah, the Islamic Law, before the United States Constitution."

It is hard for us to believe that someone who has said those words is allowed to continue to be in the service.

Investigations continue. We know that the Administration doesn't want this to be classed as terrorism. We all know what it was.

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Posted by Simon Conway on 11/10/2009 09:16 AM

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NOV

Interesting....I've been following this a bit, but frankly have been really busy this past week and my news watching has been sketchy. I think we don't understand the impact one's religion can make to our loyalties.....Jewish people often have a first love for Israel, Muslims can identify themselves as a larger world community. We like to look the other way about religion because we view it so private. But I think it's critical we begin to see the importance of this identity so we can see these problems clearly before they result in tragedy.

Simon, this is a blatant cause and effect of pre 9-11 mentality topped off with political correctness. The idea that so many let this man have a pass is astonishing.

He may not have been a "member" of a terrorist group, but he was a wannabe, and he created the terrorist scenario. He received his military training as well as his medical training. He treated numerous soldiers, so he knew exactly what to do and what would cause the most terrorizing situation. He didn't shout "Ali Baba" before he started shooting.

Let's call it what it is. TERRORISM!

Something doesn't sound right with that.

If someone made a statement like that in front of a public setting of military personnel, I don't think they would just ignore it.

Politically correct seems to be much more overriding than terrorism. Tolerance is one thing but total denial or blindness is a rel problem. I wonder if MSNBC will outline any of this...not!

hmmmm. Yet in WWII christians fought christians because of differences and to save lives. So why cant musilms fight musilms?

Karen - what you say about Israel is interesting - mainly because Jewish Americans tend to vote Democrat - even though time and again it has been made clear that Democrats are no friends of Israel.

Bob - you served so you know more about the PC mentality than I do - but from my friends in the military, I have been made very aware in recent days of just how pervasive that is.

Ralph - take that up with the Washington ost which has the slide preentation.

Gary - of course they won't. ABC News however, seems to be doing a decent job on this story - so far at least.

Robert - excellent point.

Although featuring yourself is bad form, I make no apology for featuring this post in Silent Majority and BP because of its importance. Also one of my buddies isn't able to do that for me for now....

Simon,

We all know that the tragedy may not have happened if not for political correctness. But you cann only imagine the outrage if he would be dismissed from the service.

In this political climate you gotta kill people to justify firing from the job

Simon, great post.

Jon, I've seen people get dishonorably or other than honorable discharges from the army for WAY less than the things this guy did throughout his military career.

I have only seen two instances in my lifetime where The United States of America was in so much danger.

1. The Cuban missile crisis.

2. The mentality of those like minded people and groups as the 9/11 Terrorists.

Simon, I deleted #10, 11 because of dups - the proxy error thingy.

The Obama administration will do anything and say anything to deflect from its own failings and failed policies. In all fairness this guy should have been picked up during the Bush Administration. Although anything the Bush Administration did to protect this country came under intense criticism.

I had the same thought as Robert Rauf (above) when watching this on tv. The same during the American Civil war. Anyway, don't muslims fight muslims in the middle east?

Simon (and Jon Zolsky): There would have been no outrage if here were 'dismissed' from the service. He was ACTIVELY trying to leave the military for years, to the point of hiring an attorney and offering to pay back any moneys the governement paid for his school...

He was not allowed to leave, regardless of how vocal he obviously was about his feelings on the subject of the wars he was fighting.

I am not trying to excuse the guy, but let's not be so blind as to assume somehow that he kept any of his sentiments a secret just waiting to blow felow soldiers up. He wanted out.

Simon, Joe Lieberman revealed that Hasan had been posting anti-American material on his web site. In a slide presentation he made before a military audience in 2007 regarding Muslims he stated "We love death more than you love life".

The government was watching him and his emails. NSA had intercepted his phone calls according to Col Hunt to the middle east. He emailed a radical Islamic Imam at least 20-30 times. He met him in San Diego and the Mosque he attended in Falls Church Va. That is the same Mosque 3 of the 9/11 terrorists attended.

He attempted to get out of the service after he received his deployment orders in May. Every enlistment comes up for renewal depending on the service every 4 - 6 years. If he wanted out for years he had an opportunity to do it. He also could have applied for conscientious objector status and stayed in the military. There were options.

I agree he had options, why kill?

Inna: He should have said he was gay. That way he could would have been kicked out in a skinny minute. Guess it's better to have a radical Muslim murderer in the military than a gay person.

Crossing out murderer, cause that in itself is enough to get expelled from just about everything.

Agreed Bonnie. There were options.

Shame on you Inna!!! Why don't you lose a loved one by having a Muslim blow them away "for their faith" and then let us all know how you feel then.

"There would have been no outrage if here were 'dismissed' from the service."

REALLY Inna? How do you know? I can't imagine libs not getting their panties in a wad if he were given a dishonorable discharge.

"He was not allowed to leave, regardless of how vocal he obviously was about his feelings on the subject of the wars he was fighting.He was not allowed to leave, regardless of how vocal he obviously was about his feelings on the subject of the wars he was fighting."

Are you for real? It was no secret when he RE-ENLISTED that he could be sent to war. He KNEW IT yet signed the papers anyway. Do you think that solders and can just change their minds on any given day and be honorably discharged? He signed an AGREEMENT. The US would give him money, healthcare, free education, etc for HIS SERVICE. Of course he wasn't allowed to leave. Duh.

BTW, he never fought even one day in any "wars"". Unless you count the bloody cowardly one where he blew away his fellow solders!

Your defense of him is nothing less than disgusting. You make me ill.

Scott, Good point in #18Life is peculiar sometimes isn't it.

Georgia- well written response and I agree with you 100%.

Georgia - the point is that this guy was trouble and we knew it... The other point is that we just might have to consider something where this does not happen again, and while I can understand some of your disgust - it would probably be better placed on a system where something like that was possible.

See, the AFA is already calling to get rid of all muslims in the military. That is the kind of kneejerk reaction that a lot of people on the extreme right have no problem with. All I am trying to figure out is why it was so taboo to discharge or lock up someone who was VOCALLY stating his not only objections to the wars, but posing an actual threat... Maybe conscientious objector status should be applicalbe to those who enlisted decades before anything objectionable was going on, that's all.

Scott - sad but true...:-(

Bottom line,

It was not a Catholic, It was not a Jew, It was not a Christian, It was not a Protestant, It was not a Hindu, It was not a Christian Scientist, It was not a Jehovah's Witness, It was not a Atheist, It was not a Molakon.

It was a muslim jihadist, why cant anyone see that?

Yes- there are many muslims that do not agree with what happened, why are they quiet? I would be on TV right now disgracing this murderer.

Yes, I know they made a "statement" big deal. Folks are dead in the name of that religion. Whether you agree with it or not.

Thank you Melissa. ; )

Inna, my disgust is far from focussed on you. I'm disgusted that there were so many red flags and no one in this administration or his military did anything about it.

Was it because we've become so f**king politically correct that we don't dare ask questions for fear of insulting someone? Only time will tell. We have a president who won't even use the word terrorism, yet terrorism is still happening daily. We have a president who gets on tv and looks like a dimwit by saying "we are one of the largest muslim nations in the world". Really? Last I checked we weren't anywhere near that. In his rush to kiss ass to the muslim people he goes way overboard and makes our entire nation look weak. These type of people (jihadists) only get more emboldened by a show of weakness.

Inna, I get that you are a free spirit. Don't you understand the very simple fact that the military has strict rules they follow? Have you ever in your life had to follow strict rules? You don't seem to understand this concept.

It IS NOT "taboo to lock up" a solder. This guy did nothing to be locked up for until he decided to launch a jihad (holy war) against his fellow comrades.

With your every statement you prove that you are letting this guy off the hook and blaming, of all people, Republicans. How is that even possible? What is wrong with your thought process that a man can kill 13 fathers, brothers, sons, lovers, and innocent beings...almost kill 30 more, yet YOU defend the animal?? Why isn't it his own f'ing fault? Period!

"See, the AFA is already calling to get rid of all muslims in the military. That is the kind of kneejerk reaction that a lot of people on the extreme right have no problem with."

You are contradicting yourself. The military is now considering discharging (not dishonorably discharging) any military men who are of muslim descent who WANT to get out. That is exactly what you said should have happened to the low-life murderer. Now you don't agree with yourself? Which is it?

Things are different. Our men, whom the military knows have to be in the right mind before leaving for war, are now terribly shaken. No doubt those with families are worrying about leaving their loved ones on base while they are not there to protect them from another possible jihadist. Understandable considering what happened don't you? So the leaders are looking for a way to assuase their fears and help ensure this atorcity doesn't happen again.

I think when all the facts are known they will lead to one thing....he is and was a terrorist plain and simple. I am sick at my stomach watching some of the media tying to excuse the "enemy" .

Here we go,

Its not a spa or summer camp, its the Military. Unlike many places we visit in civilian life there are rules of conduct and if you break those rules you endanger other peoples lives.

Discipline is KEY to a effective military force, withoutout discipline things start falling apart. Those who serve (and this may be hard for some to understand) WANT DISCIPLINE!

Our military has a long history of helping other peoples gain their freedom, using them as a social experiment results in actions similar to what we saw at FT. Hood.

Georgia - you lost me after blaming the current administration for the actions of this nutjob. Sorry, can't take the rest of your statements seriously after that... Oh yeah, one more thing - you don't know me from jack, so you've no idea how I live my life, so spare me the assumptions.

Lastly, I am not accustomed to responding to anonymous posters on here... If you have something to say - and it appears you do, why keep hiding for a while now under the cloak of anonimity?

NOV

Simon, According to reports I heard today it is rumored there will be multiple arrests in this country very shortly of suspected terrorists. Some may be connected to the Ft Hood massacre. This may be bigger than it appears at the moment.

What the majority of Americans fail to realize is that this enemy is unlike any other we have faced. The enemy is not a single country or nationality. The enemy is comprised of related splinter groups spread across our nation and infrastructure. They have infiltrated our neighborhoods and our businesses. They appear to be living a peaceful life interacting with society. They are sleepers. They have the ability to mobilize at will. It is completely naive to think we are safe.

The DC sniper was executed last night. For more than 3 weeks 2 people held the Washington DC area in absolute terror. He operated in a 100 mile radius. One shooting victim was a child on school grounds. 2 people were shot in my town.

In total 13 people were shot. When a shooting occurred every major artery was in grid lock and every car was searched. Traffic was at a standstill for 6-8 hours at a time. That is one small example of how terror can be reigned down on us by only two people. While this was not religiously motivated it was nevertheless a terrorist act by its nature.

It is beyond me why anyone is reluctant to call Ft Hood a terrorist act.

I didn't blame anyone but hasan for his actions. You don't like to hear anything negative (even when true) about obama. *shrug*

Bonnie- It was a terrorist act! There I said it.

In defense of Georgia- what's this new thing I'm seeing about folks having to state their first, middle and last names, name of company, email, cell number in order to post on AR?

Maybe some folks don't want all their private info spread out on a political post.

Does that make Georgia's statements less valid? I don't think so.

After some of the name calling and bitter arguments I have witnessed on AR, I'm also tempted to remove my personal information.

Have a great day everyone!

Melissa, Considering what some members have engaged in off site, I can understand Georgia's reluctance. One wishes to avoid being the Sears catalog in the outhouse.

Simon, It seems the president still can't bring himself to call this what it is. The worst Terrorist attack on American soil since 9-11.

obama just cant say muslim terrorist or even terrorist. All he can say is crazed. obama is not a leader.

NOV

I am glad that Georgia can remain without having to disclose his/her blood type in order to debate here. Talk about socialism.

I'm ready to remove all my personal info and blog in the same fashion. Hmmm what will my name be? Stay tuned my friends.

There will be a prize for the first one of my friends that recognizes me, lol.

Thank you Melissa and Bonnie for the support. I appreciate it!

There more than a few folks inside the Beltway that know my husband and myself. These are folks involved in the healthcare change in a significant way. I cannot give my opinion to the public at large with my name attached to it. Now that didn't stop me from having a lively one-on-one debate with a certain fellow this past weekend from DC!

Our President needs to learn a new word: Terrorist. I bet he will never say it.

Georgia, It's like having an unlisted phone number. You have a right to do it. If you wish to keep your identity protected for business purposes that's fine.

Bonnie and Melissa - if only everyone who chooses to post anonymously or chooses not to post their phone number were accorded a similar leeway...

But I digress.

Inna,

I seem to recall that the one you want accorded similar leeway had a phone# that had no connection to them at all and quickly removed said phone# when called into question. Not the sharpest tack in the box so to speak.

I don't understand the obsession lately with phone numbers. My number is listed for business purposes. It is not listed there for someone to check up on me or to call me to discuss a comment I make in the Rain. If I get a call on a comment, I will simply hang up on them, and if need be, I would remove my number also.

I personally could give a rat's butt if someone has a phone number or business listed. But, I digress also.

This blog is about the extremist jihad terrorist that massacred the innocent soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood.

Inna, since you addressed your digression to me let me state that to achieve anonymity is has to be complete. A person seeking privacy does not post personal details in a public environment. That might be like a little bit pregnant.

Inna, since you addressed me I'll state that seeking anonymity is usually a 100% commitment. No shred of identifiable information is available.

Posting personal information, photos, areas of interest and inviting interaction in a public environment is hardly a person seeking privacy. Changing ones phone number abruptly when an interested member attempted to share a common interest is quite rude.

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