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Why Does The Real Estate Industry Look DOWN On Property Managers?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL 481.010183

It's sad to be aware that the same industry that doles out REALTOR® licenses is the very one from which frowns upon it's own members!!!  We hear what you say about us Property Managers.... "OH, you deal on the low end!!!"  Why has such degradation become synonymous with practitioners managing property???

We come from the same beginnings to get our professional orientation, and must abide by and do the exact required continuing education, pay the same amount of dues, and still get rejected by YOU as though we are the scum of the earth!!!

Are not we servicing the SAME client??  Do not MOST buyers have their beginnings as a renter?  Do we have to continue to suffer disgrace from our own colleagues as if the origin of and the contamination of the HINI Plague began with US!!!  It is a SHAME!!!

In addition to fulfilling the mandatory education, MANY of us go on to earn costly designations through respected professional associations as CPM. GRI. NARPM. MPM. PPM. E-PRO. RPM. etc.  How many vowels and consonants behind our name must we acquire to be allowed to sit at the table with YOU???

People..... we are assisting the IDENTICAL customer!!!  A person who lives somewhere, whether they rent for a season and purchase later, or if deciding to never own.... is still a patron!!!

Has it come down to factoring based upon a measly penny???  Are we announcing to the public that ONLY top producing Sellers and Listers are worthy to be esteemed???  If so, we have sold ourselves cheaply!!!  We are painting pictures to the generation after us, that they should pattern after those who successfully make the biggest bucks from placing the SAME CLIENT in a 30 year lease that WE PREVIOUSLY SERVICED!!!

And, it will be US..... the  lowly Property Managers who are the ones who will faithfully take them back in when they get evicted after they fail to live up to the terms of the contract which went with the "DREAM HOUSE" YOU placed them in!!!

When the illusion if over.... WE will still be there for them... will YOU???

© 2009 Diane Rice - Rice Property Management & Realty, LLC.  Image courtesy of Bing

 

Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Wallace!!!  Great history!!!  YOU should write a post of this! PLEASE!!  It would be an awesome eye-opener for me as well as others in or out of the profession!  

Nov 14, 2009 02:51 PM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

Diane * I'm SO OLD * I remember it well!!!  

People often think that property managemet was born when we started building urban areas with high-rise/elevator buildings.   Property management in some form has been around for hundreds of years. 

I just finished the book on the one of the oldest/most elegant co-op buildings * 740 Park Avenue * starting with the developer * Jackie O's g'father * and the various apartment owners and tenants.  The integration of the building owners and management firm was eye-opening!!!

Nov 14, 2009 09:57 PM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Wallace, we'd be so honored to read your writings with your experiences and insights... you could do a series here to enhance the PM group!!  Glad you are OLD enough to put us all in remembrance to where/how PM originated!  Thanks for the book referral.

Nov 15, 2009 03:36 AM
Leslie Prest
Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ - Payson, AZ
Owner, Assoc. Broker, Prest Realty, Payson,

We saw this a lot when we started our own office. The put-owns. we don't see it as much now that a lot of sales agents are having to do something else to make a living, while we're doing well (thank you very much). What we find is resentment that we do BOTH sales and rentals, but that is a lot of why we started our own office- so we COULD. We're the only office in town where the same agents are experienced in both, and often list a house "for sale or for lease, whichever comes first".

Nov 15, 2009 04:18 AM
Leslie Prest
Leslie Prest, Prest Realty, Sales and Rentals in Payson, AZ - Payson, AZ
Owner, Assoc. Broker, Prest Realty, Payson,

I forgot to ask- Wallace, if we're the THIRD oldest profession- what's the second?

Nov 15, 2009 04:20 AM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first."   Ronald Reagan

Nov 15, 2009 06:50 AM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Leslie:  I usually IGNORE the put-downs, but they ARE THERE!  I was reignited when Wallace shared her story.  We have Brokers asking us HOW to get started in PM.... a few would like to refer us to their interested sellers who want to rent the places they USED to list, but pride will not let them.... we get some of them AFTER they drop their listing agents.  With you being full-service as we... you can get more than your share of the business! 

Wallace:  yeah!  We BOTH wanna know...  what IS the SECOND oldest profession??

 

Nov 15, 2009 06:54 AM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

The Mustang Ranch may not be HISTORIC; however, it does promote the SECOND oldest profession.

Nov 15, 2009 09:39 PM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Wallace:  you mean, this place?

I had to look it up, for i had not heard of it!

Nov 16, 2009 02:40 AM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Diane, I know you've gotten many comments like this, but had to add my two cents.  I too am not aware of the the bad rap that PM's get.  We are all in this together too much so to be judgemental.  I work with a lady here in the office who's a PM and we work great together.  I think I also told you once before that I have a close friend in Chicago who's a PM and I completely respect what she does. 

I know that Iprobably didn't need to comment, but just wanted to let you know that the ones you directed your rant at are in the minority...at least in my opinion.

Nov 16, 2009 08:49 AM
Anna "Banana" Kruchten
HomeSmart Real Estate - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

What - what rock have I been under.  My take is property managers have to put up with a lot of you now what - and have got a gazillion details to handle.  A good property manager is essential to a team for goodness sake.  Hello - where are you folks going to now - to manage the mustang ranch???  LOL. 

Rant away baby and by now I bet your feeling much better!!

Nov 16, 2009 10:21 AM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Nick - your words are soothing and kind... it was WALLACE GIBSON's experience that got me rattled.  I did not like how she was looked down upon as she expressed on her post.... appreciate your support!

Anna - PMs have huge responsibilities... and yes, ranches are possible.... Feel better?  With your help, yes i am!  thanks much!

Nov 16, 2009 02:19 PM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

I've had this happen between agents who've consistently sold in the high end and others who work the lower market. This market we have now have humbled several people. I do understand your oain.

Nov 19, 2009 05:52 AM
Debbie Malone
Londeree's Real Estate & Property Management - Lynchburg, VA
From Lynchburg To The Lake (434) 546-0369

Diane, my daughter graduated with a degree in Property Management and with her CAM designation. She has to put up with a lot of 'stuff' in her position from tenants that don't remember the terms of their lease to brokers showing the apartments. She has to let it roll off her back. The company records show she's making a difference for the owners and the residents love the activities she's brought to the community.

Nov 19, 2009 09:38 AM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

Debbie * KUDOS for Kat!!!  Property Management has been very good to me. Hard work and I enjoy making my own hours AND there are rewards after all of the BS!!

Nov 19, 2009 10:11 PM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Robert:  I'm fine with it... it's what I SEE happening to others that ticks me off!  Pray for me?

Debbie:  That's wonderful Debbie... she is earning respect from her actions, experience, and professional attitude... WE ARE SO PROUD OD HER!  Of course, i was speaking of viewership from the Real Estate agent's position.

Wallace - You already know you are ONE of my heroes which is why THIS POST was made after the treatment YOU received!  

Nov 20, 2009 12:43 AM
Jennifer Fivelsdal
JFIVE Home Realty LLC | 845-758-6842|162 Deer Run Rd Red Hook NY 12571 - Rhinebeck, NY
Mid Hudson Valley real estate connection

Diane property management is a very responsible job, I bet many agents would not be able to cope with the position.  Anyway don't let anyone ruffle your feathers, not worth the time or energy....lol

Nov 24, 2009 10:39 AM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Hi Jennifer... it's all good... had to let it out... Have a nice Thanksgiving!

Nov 24, 2009 01:49 PM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Diane,  It can be frustrating that folks used to look down on the property management side of real estate.  Although, now I am getting phone calls from a lot of other agents asking how you do leasing and property management.  I appreciate that it a recurring revenue stream, as you never really know what your sales numbers will be.  All the best, Michelle

Dec 08, 2009 09:48 AM
Diane Rice
Rice Prprty Mgmnt & Rlty, LLC, South Holland, IL - Lansing, IL
SFR, SRES, CNC

Hi Michelle!  Our profession is gaining honor isn't it?  Thank you so much for the well wishes!  You should join our Property Management Group!

Dec 08, 2009 01:30 PM