Hi All,

Before I dive into the meat of this post, I want to be VERY, VERY CLEAR, my opinions shared below are just that, OPINIONS and any comments, unless I attribute them to a specific individual or entity are general and for illustrative purposes only. 

I am not attacking any one person, or any one site.  But, after 11, now nearly 12 very long and sometimes quite contentious weeks I have some things that I wish to say.  Not because I "believe they need to be said" or because "someone has to say them" but because I feel that for me they are important and I want to share what I have learned (or think that I have learned :-) so that it might be helpful to others.

This post began as two comments on two other posts but as I crafted them I realized that blog etiquette (thanks ARDELL for teaching me that so truly kindly :-) dictated that I refrain from spilling my guts on someone elses floor, so to speak and have therefore decided to incorporate portions of the two original comments, along with the rest of my feelings here, in my own private little blog world :-)

To begin with, Mary Pope-Handy has said in the past that (and I shall paraphrase here) if we the Project Blogger participants were puppies instead of people we would by way of the "training" via judging we have received, be so mixed up by now that we would bite people. 

Mary, I heartily concur.  And even I am seriously getting a little snappish over contradictory information. 

Inconsistency in art can be beautiful, but inconsistency in something like this tends to do more harm than good.  And I believe that includes compromising the value of the information for those who are watching from the sidelines and not in the thick of it as I am. 

Speaking now not just as a PB apprentice, but also as a brand new blogger, I have found it difficult, if not impossible, to sort the wheat from the chaff many times

And I am not just speaking about reviewing comments made about my own personal efforts.  When I see that someone else gets punished for something one week that they were praised for in another, for the very same reasons, that is difficult to process. 

This past weeks judge, Oliver from vFlyer suggested that perhaps a three or four person panel would be a good idea in the future.  I totally agree and I found it interesting and gratifying to have a judge share their views not just upon our personal efforts but on the event as a whole. 

The judges are as much a part of this experience as we are and as such, should be given equal value with regard to input on how things are going now overall and how they might go better in the future.

Oliver, I really like your idea of getting more than one judge to look at each weeks efforts.  Different people and different perspectives give even more value to the results. 

Perhaps what would work would be to try to get three people each week, who come from three different places in the blogosphere, even if it means weekly judging and not a consistent, continuing panel,

I think one judge could and should be a Real Estate/Technology insider who would be able to understand and speak to the technical aspect of blogs. 

One judge could and should be a non-Real Estate Blogger - someone with no connection with the business or the industry but who does understand blogging (I don't think it would be difficult to find folks that are successful bloggers who are not in the RE business as there are still a whole heck of a lot more of them out there than there are of us :-), they would also serve as the voice of the client so to speak, as they would be reading for content value and how it strikes them more than for anything else.   

And one should be a Real Estate Blogger, preferably an agent or broker who is successful in using their blogs to attract most if not all of their business.  They would provide the blend of the two, that of the understanding of the unique position that the Real Estate blogger occupies and how to serve both masters... the client and the community.

I also think that one of the big problems that the organizer's may be encountering is finding a single judge who has the requisite blog business acumen but does not have any connection, personally or professionally with any contestant or coach.  

Another reason why using a panel approach would be better overall. 

The chances of three different people, coming from three different walks of life, having the same connections to the competitors and also sharing the same opinions, relationships or feelings with each other would be reduced significantly.

Oliver was very above board about the fact that he new some of the contestants or their coaches and that there were some who might be clients.  And I appreciate his sharing of that information.  It was the right thing to do. 

That being said, I would also hope that the remaining judges, even if they do have something to sell, have not sold it to any of us.  That makes the results, no matter how valid they may be, compromised in a way that they should not be. 

When I find out that there might have been an opportunity for something unfair EVEN IF NOTHING UNFAIR OCCURRED, it really makes everything suspect. 

I have said it before and I shall say this again (insert broken record here...) what is unfair to one is unfair to all and I don't care if it is in my favor or not.  If it is wrong, it is wrong.  I also don't care what effect, if any it may have had on the outcome of an activity. 

I liken it to spoiled milk... adding a tablespoon of curdled milk to a gallon of fresh milk, ruins the entire gallon.   And it doesn't matter if you pour it in from the top or pump it in through the bottom, the effect is the same.

That goes for things like this also.   One of the things that I have learned in my chronologically brief, but comprehensive, time within the blogosphere is that blogging relationships and credibility move at warp speed.  They can be rapidly built and even more rapidly destroyed.  

Unlike exchanges out in the "real" world, however you don't usually have total recall or the ability to lay information given out in a nice, neat line and actually and accurately compare one thing to another.  So, a blemish on one's personal or business reputation, while just as damaging, does not usually occur in quite so rapid a manner. 

Here, in the blogosphere, we have one thing and one thing only to work with - our V.O.I.C.E..  I translate that to stand for Values, Opinions, Integrity, Credibility and Ethics.  Damage any one of them and everything is tainted.

I hasten to reiterate here that I am not in any way displeased with this weeks choices and am merely speaking about the contest as a whole.  Everyone is working incredibly hard and has from the very beginning, to make this a successful, valuable and extremely wonderful exercise for all concerned. 

But, one thing that this weeks judging pointed up was another problem with not having a firm set of criteria to use as measuring sticks - no consistency... hmm, that seems to have been said a time or two before :-) for them or for us.  Inconsistent criteria yields inconsistent input which in turn gives back inconsistent results.

He chose to weight our participation on our personal sites, for the most part, much heavier than that of our participation on Active Rain.  That is a valid choice. 

That also discounts the value of our Active Rain participation.  I see them as actually separate but equal.  My site Route66Living.com was built to do one thing and to do it (hopefully) very well, communicate directly with my clients.  I talk city events, general interest and Real Estate there, but I do not talk agent to agent.  That is not what it is for. 

My participation on Active Rain is multi-fold. 

  1. It allows me to communicate with my peers and thus position myself to receive and give referrals (and has served me well in this regard already with an agent referral generated by my participation here on AR). 
  2. It allows me to communicate directly with my clients via Localism and also to do so indirectly, by allowing my posts to be viewed by the public.  And with AR's strength and value to search engines, there is a good chance that when they come upon me for the very first time it will probably be in connection with my AR activity as well as that of Route66Living.com. 

In my case, when I write here on AR, I believe that whatever I post unless I choose to keep it members only, and I rarely do that, is as much for "them" as it is for "us". 

I also think you get a much better picture of who someone really is when you hear them talking from behind a closed door than you do when they are in front of a crowd.  AR is that "closed door" and, as such, gives the public a chance to see what kind of a person you really are based not just on your exchanges with them, but on how you treat others.

People have asked here on AR time and time again if folks would behave as they do here if they knew that their client's were listening.  Well, I know that they are, and I behave accordingly. 

Even when I have chosen to discuss something as insular and industry specific as, well this post truly is... someone from the outside, who is not in the business of Real Estate would get I believe, a pretty good picture of who I am, what I stand for and how I operate.  In short, although I have an inner Poo-Poo head, I don't let her come out to play here or on Route66Living.com.  That is what my living-room is for LOL.

So, for that reason and that reason alone, I would suggest that in future go-rounds of PB, blogging that is accessible by the public, be it here on AR or on your personal business site should be given equal weight. 

Conversely, non-public posts should not be given any weight at all.  If the object of the game is to build the best blog site to do business with the general public, then you should only count information that the general public can access toward the score. 

This would also allow a participant in the contest to continue to be able to utilize the round-table discussion value of AR during the process without fear that what they share with their peers as water-cooler talk would be what they are judged by as far as business blogging value. 

It would also help to prevent someone from getting "dinged" for not having an outside site.  Not everyone does and not everyone needs to. 

Most of our blogging powerhouses did not spring forth fully formed on their very own branded personal blog site, they were born and to some extent wet-nursed on sites like AR, Rain City Guide, Bloodhound Blog, etc.. 

I don't think it is fair to discount the value of the work just because it is not in the "right" place.  A Rembrandt is still a Rembrandt no matter where it hangs. 

Unfortunately, it seems that some folks have been placed at a distinct disadvantage owing to the delay, regardless of the cause, of getting their personal sites up and running.  That is really not fair to them. 

I tend to feel that the work (i.e. the content contained within the posts) should be viewed as a part of the whole, but weighted somewhat separately, and much more heavily than the frame that is the site. 

People might like what you show them, but they hire you because of what you tell them.  I have noted that as a whole most of the judges have looked more at the messenger than at the message. 

Again, I attribute this to lack of the focus that criteria consistently applied gives. 

Next time, I hope that what they do is decide on the areas that they are looking at and what degree of weight each area is worth. 

Yes, SEO is important... However, a blog that is written solely for SEO may get traffic but not business

Yes, eye-candy is important (real candy is as well... especially chocolate, but I digress)... However, if something is all style and no substance then that won't get business either. 

Yes, pictures are important... However, from what I have seen, it is what we say with our words and not just what we show with a lens that is more important. 

Also in a competition like this, I think you really do need to allow the past to inform the future, so to speak. 

If this were just a run-of-the-mill blogging competition (if there is such a thing :-) then treating each week as if it exists in a vacuum would be appropriate, more like Carnival of Project Blogger (R.I.P.) did. 

But this is not a run-of-the-mill competition.  Getting people who were new to blogging (in most cases) or at least had not made any money at it, REQUIRES that you also give serious weight to growth exhibited and positive changes that occur as a result of that growth. 

There is a vast difference between a blog that is launched out the gate fully formed, and never changes, regardless of input from day one, which was custom built by a website specialist.  And a blog that is built from scratch, in front of god and everybody, a truly homegrown effort which has shown its growing cycle from blip to blog. 

Note I did not say that one ws better, merely that there is a vast difference and as such, it is totally unfair to try to compare them without giving weight to their differences. 

Oh, and just for the record, I don't think that just because someone is a good webSITE designer it means that they will necessarily be a good webLOG designer and vice versa.  They share a lot of similarities, but by their very nature are as different as rockets are from butterflies.  Sure they both fly, but...

Once again, I want to be very, very clear... I understand that you folks who have or will judge Project Blogger are as prepared for the task, and are given the same criteria to look for and "rules" to judge by as we the contestants were (that would be very little to none and very loosely structured) and that makes it as difficult for you as it is for us :-). 

Please understand that any criticisms that I have made are not directed at you personally, your companies or your decisions as judges, but are merely expressed in an effort to help ensure that some of the stumbling blocks that we as the inaugural group of Project Blogger participants (coaches, apprentices, judges and organizers alike) have encountered in our journey might be removed. 

Some have been pebbles, some have been potholes and some have proven to be roadblocks, but all have served to make the journey more interesting, the path more challenging and the experience more enlightening.

Thank you all for your efforts, as I have said publicly many, many times before... I do not envy you your task, but I am grateful to you for being willing to tackle it. 

I also wish to thank each and every one of the apprentices, their coaches and the organisers for all that they have shared, all that they have done and all that I have learned.

I sincerely hope that one of the outcomes of this experience is a true blueprint, by way of a post-mortum of the Project upon it's completion by all involved, on how to improve for the future.  When that occurs, no matter who gets the accolades we will all have won the game.

Take care, help lots of people and have a wonderful day!

Tisza

 

18 Comments on Project Blogger Pre-Morteum weeks 1 - 11/12 Or What I Think So Far... (Revised for easier reading :-)

JUN
29
2007
169,843 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Tisza,

Let me introduce you to Microsoft Clip Organizer.   What you have here is what we call a wall of words.  Way too difficult for many of our eyes to read.  You will lose your reader by the third paragraph.  I don't know of a single moderator who would even read this. 

You need white space to make it more readable and you need to begin to use graphics in your posts.  Feel free to call Colleen, she will walk you through a how to if you need help.

Also feel free to delete this comment, it is sent with love. 

 

Laurie 

7:11pm • #1
227,297 Points 39 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Tisza,

I believe it was the orignal intent of Jonathan that all of the blog efforts of both the Apprentices and Coaches be on separate Coach and Apprentice Blogs.  A lasting educational piece on Active Rain for future reference and posterity.

Some of the Coaches threatened to bail if that rule was imposed, and so things went way sideways.

That is my recollection of what transpired, and may shed some light on what you have said.  Active Rainers thought that they were going to be the Coaches, so some have not supported the effort.  The Blogosphere Coaches were in some cases resented and didn't want to be "forced" to blog on Active Rain, which they didn't realize might be a requirement when they agreed to Coach.

So in all fairness to Jonathan and Active Rain, I think they had a plan...but as the say "The Best Laid Plans of Mice and Men...uh...something comes after that.  But I think you get the gist of it.

7:45pm • #2
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Tisza, I agree with your opinion of Oliver from vflyer. He has asked several good questions in the Q&A section. It's nice to see your feisty side. :-}
10:54pm • #3
JUN
30
2007
12 Featured Posts

Hi All,

Laurie - Please don't take offense at this, I have only one word for you... "Goddess".  Thank you for your insight and for this wonderful tool.  I had no idea such a thing existed.  I would actually love to be able to cut this into two pieces as it began to reach epic proportions, but I also truly felt that I wanted to get it said. Any suggestions?  I can try to take another pass.

ARDELL - Yes, I have seen many of those plans strewn by the wayside as I travel along my Project Blogger path. 

Gary - Oliver seems like a nice guy and a square shooter, as has been the way most of the time with this the people and idea are both valid and sound it is merely the execution that has been faulty.  It truly has been a learning experience for all.

Take care,

Tisza

12:09am • #4
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Hi Tisza, IMHO you didn't need graphics for this post.  What would be appropriate except a pic of someone blogging away?  I know, how about this?

 

It was a from the heart and honest portrayal of your journey so far with PB.  Your points in this post are very well taken and I'm sure they will be considered when this is all over so the future PB participants will have a clear and concise direction.  I am simply amazed at all of the apprentices and coaches who are actively participating in this maiden journey.  You are all so committed to this project and the rest of us have learned right along with you.  I consider that a gift to me from all of you.  Hang in there.  You are doing a wonderful job, you all are, and I imagine you would all like this to come to an end...which it will very soon!  (and I agree with you that Laurie IS a goddess!)

1:34am • #5
119,163 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Tisza, Thanks for your summary of feedback, insights and suggestions for the future. You raise a lot of valid points.....

Now I'm going to check out Laurie's link. (Shouldn't she be a judge one of these weeks??)
2:17am • #6
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Hi All,

Peggy - I also can't think of a graphic that I could add to this particulars post, but Laurie's point was very well taken and I have reformatted things in hopes of addressing her suggestions and also making things easier to read. 

Mary - Thanks.  I also agree that Laurie would be a wonderful choice for a judge.

Laurie - If you are watching, please take another look and let me know if it is easier on the eyes now :-)

Take care,

Tisza

2:33am • #7
227,297 Points 39 Featured Posts Outside Blog

LOL  Yesterday at Zillow where Joel filmed the Inman TV clip, a bunch of us were talking and they all said, we don't know HOW you get away with being all bold and CAPPY LOL, but you do.

I was thinking of you this morning when I read Greg Swann's Project Bloodhound piece which was similar to your before you revised it.

I think that people who read lots of blogs use and RSS feed and the DON'T like bold and Cappy.  So when you ask people who write blogs and other people who don't read them often and on RSS feed, they will give different advices.

Best to know what your readership...over time...will likely do.  Will they GO TO you blog, or will they pull it on a feed.  Even my clients who generally get info by RSS feed say they come to the blog after they see something new come in on the feed.  I think of it like a ticker tape where someone sees a stock price ride by and then digs deeper into the why.

 

11:24am • #8
JUL
01
2007
12 Featured Posts

Hi ARDELL,

Good advice... as usual :-)

Thanks and take care,

Tisza

12:58am • #9
JUL
04
2007
169,843 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

OK, I am back.  A couple of things here. 

 

1) The moderators, were all asked by Jonathan to be coaches.  We all turned it down.  None of us felt we had the time to commit, do a good job and still moderate the system.  Also the commitment was for too long of a period of time and ran into my busy season.  At the time there were only the 4 original moderators.   

 

2)  OK, Tisza you want a review, I am going to give you an honest one.

I read your post.  Reading walls of words is painful to me.  When I scroll down and see the size of the post it makes me want to cry or just pass it by.  Posts of this size usually babble on about whatever.  While writing may be cathartic, your reader doesn't need to know every single thought in your head.  Be concise, take it down to interesting.  Jump into the readers shoes.  Is this a post you would want to read?

There are no graphics to pull the eyes side to side which would make for a more relaxing and tolerable read. 

Like a good painting a post needs some white space. 

You really need to put 2 spaces between your paragraphs, it is just too crowded.   

The bold is used incorrectly and just kills the eyes.  Bold is to be used on Titles, Sub-titles and keywords ONLY! 

You have no tags, I take it you have no keywords in mind on this post, yet it is not members only, very confusing.  

Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but you asked.  LOL, bet you don't want me for a judge now, lol!   

 

3) The members of Active Rain felt like they were crapped on at the onset of this debacle, they were given a 15% vote in the forum that the event was taking place, no judges were chosen from the ranks.  Now they removed even that 15%.  Why do you think they would be interested in this contest?  To most it just clutters up the boards and we look forward to the end of the competition.  

The contestants, just so you know, are all very well liked here.  We feel sorry for all of you equally, each for a different reason and admire your tenacity.  Many of you have stayed in this competition long after the rest of us would have bailed.  

 

4)  If you want my honest opinion on the entire contest read on, if not stop now because you might not like the rest of what I have to say.

I think the contest is a miserable failure.  A rookie was supposed to be turned into a first rate blogger.  I have not seen much growth in any of the contestants.  You all still write pretty much the way you wrote when you started.  I haven't seen any of you really stretch to reach the brass ring.  I think you have been sent so many different messages that you are all confused.  I think this all could have been handled better if the contest were better thought out, specific instructions had been given to the judges, coaches and the contestants; if specific areas were judged on a 1 - 10 basis, with a brief comment area from the judge this would have been a real challenge.  At least you would have known what was expected of you, where you were strong and what you needed to work on.    

I would be a terrible judge.   

 

4:16am • #10

What a fascinating discussion.

Tisza- I missed this when you first wrote it, and while I don't agree with everything you've said, I appreciate the comments that you've received. It's given all of us some insight into how this contest is run from the back door.

Hunh. Hmm. This explains a lot.

Excuse me, I've got a post to write... :)

7:10am • #11
JUL
05
2007
12 Featured Posts

Hi All,

Lauri - I would disagree with you strenuously about only one thing that you have said above - that you would make a terrible judge.  You would make a wonderful one.  I appreciate the fact that you and the other moderators and others that were asked to judge this event were honest with themselves and, by extension with us and did not try to bite off more than you could chew.  Doing something you really don't have time for only sets you up for failure. 

I also appreciate your opinions and I share some of them.  Hindsight being what it is, I would love to go back to day one and start somewhat from the beginning once more.  The wonderful thing is that to some extent I can.  No, I can't be considered a neophyte blogger again but that doesn't mean that I can't do, try grow and change.  I look forward to the changes that are to come.  The learning curve has truly just begun.

I deeply appreciate your willingness to share what you have learned and to give me your honest opinion.  I also appreciate the level of conviction you exhibit and the lack of malice employed to deliver the message.  I know where your heart is and that makes all the difference.   The thing that continually amazes me about you is your ability to shoot from the hip and still mange to hit the target.  :-)

Teri - Yes, this has indeed been interesting. I am consistently amazed by what there still is to learn and how willing every one seems to be to teach.  :-)

Take care all, help lots of people and have a wonderful day!

Tisza

1:26am • #12
169,843 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Tisza, 

Actually we were asked to be coaches, and more recently, this week actually, we were asked to be judges.  I like you Tisza, this was hard for me to write.  One of the things about blogging is that we are all constantly learning and improving.  I need to shoot from the hip, it is the only way I can do it well.  Rock on...

4:45am • #13
119,163 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Laurie, can you elaborate about the coaches being judges? Will you as a panel judge week 3 or?

Thanks....
Mary
10:39am • #14
169,843 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Mary, We were asked individually and have not accepted, and most likely won't. 
1:36pm • #15
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Hi All!  I'm back.  Can I vent?  I was just sooo like beaten up....I needed a COMPLETE TIME OUT. So I took about a week off.  This is my first time in AR in over a week.

I agree with Laurie.  I also know/knew that I needed to distance my self from everyone's god-dam*ed VOICE so I could get my own.  I need to clear my head of all the crap and those 'voices'  (ha ha) so I could re-focus and write about what I want and what my clients would find helpful. 

Too much whitenoise here!  Too much.  Overload for me. 

Laurie is right. None of us has really progressed.  There is no STAR of Project Blogger.  Who would expect that?  We have been stuck with pins for twelve weeks and have been spun around so many times, I'm still dizzy. 

Black today, white tomorrow!  I couldn't follow anymore. 

It is nice to be back!  I hope someone missed me.

9:26pm • #16
119,163 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Laurie, thanks. I actually thought that if a panel of mentors did judging for a week it would be really insightful. You are an honorary mentor in my book: you know so much and have been so great about sharing it.

Kevin - I agree but also disagree with you. I look at the 12 apprentices who started and most of them are still going. That counts for a lot in my book. Several apprentices (you, Ines) brought blogs into being out of nothingness. That is HUGE and star material to me. And it's certainly progression. Your blog has a lot of strengths and a tremendous amount of focus.... I think it's awesome.  I know my blog has progressed. I've worked at a number of things, from fixing my formatting and USUALLY shortening my posts (not this week, will the judges be merciful?) to getting a banner going (my son is tweaking it) to just learning about things like wordpress...

I think you're right that there's no one star. I think that there are a bunch of folks who've done well - 9 or so - and have really progressed. I don't think it's been like track where one person is just way better than another. I do think it's been more like a team sport (even if it is not rewarded that way). I have learned from you, and Kelly, and Vali and everyone else who's an apprentice, and I have learned from your mentors too. And I hope I've helped a few people too.

No star. We all have different strenghts and weaknesses. I do think that this contest has helped each of us to hone our strengths and mitigate our weaknesses. Despite the contradictory "advice" from judges. Despite any scoring issues.

Whether I win or not (and who knows with week 3 out and other weeks still TBD), I know I've learned a ton. And I'm grateful that Fran invited me into this mess. I wouldn't have missed it.

Now if I can just get some clients out of all this effort....

Mary
10:01pm • #17
JUL
09
2007
12 Featured Posts

Hi All,

Laurie - I like you too and I appreciate you even more :-) 

Kevin - Boy have I missed you!  I totally understand about needing to vent (I've done a whole lot of that of late) and about feeling beaten up.  I took my mental health time this weekend and feel much better for it.  As for the star of PB, I think you are half right, there is no one "Star" but I do indeed think that there are Stars.  And, much like those in the heavens, they are spread far and wide.  They are in Miami, Los Gatos, Plainfield, Claremont, Seattle, Rancho Santa Margarita...  I am looking forward to getting to meet you in person very soon.  If you are half as much fun in person as you are in print, SF will never be the same :-)

Mary - I agree with you overall.  The bottom line is that we all stretched, we all learned and we have all gained at the very least a functional blog site of our very own and some wonderful friendships to boot.  I am so glad to have been given the gift of participation.  Win, lose or draw I wouldn't trade the opportunity, or any of the people for the world.

Take care all, help lots of people and have a wonderful day!
Tisza

12:36am • #18

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