When is Flipping Illegal?  
by John Occhi REALTOR  
Realtor Consultant to Foreclosure Investors  

The press can be such a pain in the rear end - all they want to do is sell newspapers and commercials on the networks.  This is why they are constantly on the look-out for any story they can twist and get people excited about nothing.  In my opinion, this is how they are helping to ruin the real estate perception - especially the perception of the big bad ugly real estate investors.

The press is constantly looking to report negative news about real estate.  It seems like they have found their own niche market lately whenever they report on ‘flipping' and how they so cleverly associate it with real estate fraud.  Today not only does a large percentage of the public believe that ‘flipping' is illegal bus so do many professional real estate agents, brokers and mortgage lenders.  There are even escrow companies and Title companies that will not have anything to do with a "flip"!

Flipping is technically nothing more than a double close.  An investor uses his resources to locate a deal below fair market value and then sells for close to the current fair market value of the real estate for sale.  A "flipping" investor is nothing more than a middle man.

A double-close is just that - it is two closes that happen back-to-back when the cash needed to close the second escrow actually is used to pay the first escrow - leaving a profit for the ‘flipping' investor of the real estate.  The escrows are both conducted in escrow and the Title Company insures the transaction as being a clean one.

There is nothing illegal about flipping - it has been going on for well over 100 years!

So Why all the Bad Press?

Because the press can find a grain of truth and run with it - blowing everything out of proportion and can easily manipulate the truth to fit it's own agenda - sell more newspapers and network advertising!

What is referred to as ‘flipping' by the press is actually mortgage fraud and has absolutely nothing to do with actual flipping of properties.  In the illegal scheme what happens is that an unscrupulous investor will buy a run down undesirable property and make some sub-standard shoddy repairs.  This scenario plays itself out over-and-over again in low-income and minority neighborhoods.  Once the second-rate work is done, the corrupt investor will locate an unsophisticated buyer to pay more for the home than what it is worth.

On top of it all there is often a conspiracy between the reckless investor, the mortgage lender and the appraiser.  Fraudulent documents are generally created and a bogus appraisal is generated and submitted. 

This leaves the borrower with an inferior home that he owes more on than what it is worth.  On top of it all, loan amounts are often elevated to include bogus closing costs and loan fees.

Many of these loans are federally insured - either through the FHA or VA.  So when the homeowner defaults the watchful eyes of the government are connecting the dots and easily identifying the culprits - as they should.  Today, the federal prisons are filing up rapidly with convicted mortgage fraud felons. 

So What is the Deal with "Seasoning"?

Many mortgage lenders are gun shy because they have been victimized by this type of predatory behavior - often time with losses in the millions of dollars.  Today, many have a policy that will prevent a buyers loan from funding if the property being purchased has been owned by the seller for less than 6 months. This is their way of protecting themselves from what might end up being a ‘fishy' deal.

Lender Policy is Not the Law

Just because a lender has a policy against certain issues and incorporate them into their underwriting  guidelines DOES NOT MAKE IT ILLEGAL!  It is just an internal policy that dictates how this lender wants to conduct their business...that is unless if you read the paper or watch network news.

Hoping to make your California Real Estate Investment...
A Pleasant and Profitable Experience,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR 

Realtor Consultant to Foreclosure Investors
Mission Grove Realty

Until Next Time, Have a Blessed Day,

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6 Comments on When is Flipping Illegal?

JUL
03
2007
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John - A quick comment and then a question.

Flipping for me has always described a quick "rehab" of a property.  Buying a fixer, doing the work required to get the product retail ready, then selling it without ever renting it out.  Bill Bronchick writes the definitive text on this -- see more info here http://www.amazon.com/Flipping-Properties-Generate-Instant-Profits/dp/0793144914

Perhaps in our nomenclature, what you're referring to would be wholesaling?  At least that's what we Yankees call it.    

Now, to your point about seasoning.  This is an interesting issue regarding a buyer's new mortgage company being concerned about how long the previous owner held the property.  I know they claim to have justification, but what exactly is their rationale for this concern?  

    

8:02am • #1

 Andrew Lietzow - Thanks you for your comments.

I suppose different parts of the country do use the same terms differently.  What you describe as a 'flip' is generally considered to be a 'rehab' in the local investor circles.

The 'rehab' flip is what has gotten so many people in trouble - buyers in trouble with a substandard and over appraised value on their home.  It has gotten investors. lenders and appraisers - and yes real estate agents too - in big trouble with the law.  This is one of the most common arenas of mortgage fraud.

For some reason the media has gotten on the bandwagon out here and warns people about 'flipping schemes' and potential fraud whenever someone other than the recorded owner tries to sell you a home.

This is the reason the lenders are gun shy.  In their narrow way of thinking, anyone who has owned a property for less than six months is up to something if they are trying to sell it so quickly.  My son bought his grandmothers house when she moved to California last year.  He has good credit - just not enough of it, being a recent college grad with a Masters degree - his time has been spent in the books, not living the life.

The plan was for him to take out a HELOC - pay his grandmother off and then have money to rehab and modernize the property.  Unfortunately, as hard as he tried and as many mortgage brokers he frustrated - he was not able to close on a loan until 6 months had passed.

This is why if you are going to "rehab-flip" properties you need to develop your team before you jump in. And that team not only includes a good escrow officer, a good Title officer but a darn good lender who will finance your deals to the ultimate buyer.  They are out there - but you have to look for them.

Hoping to make your California Real Estate Investment...
A Pleasant and Profitable Experience,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR 

Realtor Consultant to Foreclosure Investors
Mission Grove Realty

11:42am • #2
JUL
04
2007

Good stuff!

I rehab properties as described (on the ethical side, not the other) and also own a mortgage company.  I go out of my way to make sure those streams don't cross.  Too much of a headache...

Most lenders on the "Right" coast want to see at least 90days of seasoning before extending loans to the prospective buyer.  It is nothing more than a screen to help prevent fraud.  If you look at it as a chart (can't draw charts on here), then start with a horizontal line representing time and a vertical line representing fraud.  It starts off high and decreases over time.  The 90day mark is what they came up with as a satisfactory exposure to risk.  Nothing more.  That marker slides left and right as the market swings.

Same goes for the all important credit score.  It is a control measure for risk exposure.  As the market improves, you will see better sub-prime programs re-emerging. 

1:11pm • #3

Capital Management Mortgage - Thank you for the great insight into this situatin.  although I understood it before, your answer really simplified it for me - in my own head.  Thanks again.

Hoping to make your California Real Estate Investment...
A Pleasant and Profitable Experience,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR 

Realtor Consultant to Foreclosure Investors
Mission Grove Realty

1:38pm • #4

John, your comment; "Flipping is technically nothing more than a double close."  That may be the definition in most areas, but there is really much more to flipping properties, also known as recycling and assigning.

I am an auctioneer and owner of a real estate school in Baltimore.  What we have been doing here is a system we call Control & Roll.

We control a property with a contract of sale, with extended settlement, right of possession and the right to market.  We then offer the property for sale at public auction.  If we are in for $100,000 and sell it at $130,000, we keep $30,000 and the seller gets his $100,000. The fee is paid as an assignment fee at settlement.

I conducted 644 auctions last year, about 80% of those were with investors who assigned their right at the time of the auction. 

Charles Parrish

Charles Parrish
9:44pm • #5
JUL
05
2007
Charles Parrish - "Control & Roll" - I like it.  I like the sound of it as a sytem and I like the auctin process and would like to know more.
1:00am • #6

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