The question should be "why not?" There are two very distinct philosophies in real estate investment. Some think that you make your money by buying "right" and others believe that the profit in real estate comes about by the actions of time, inflation, use change, and utilization.

A story: I bought my first house in 1969 for $18000. I was young and brash. I wanted the best deal possible. The asking price was only $19500. That $1500. represented ALL of the sellers' equity. They walked away with nothing.

Twenty years later my ex-wife sold the house for over $500,000. In the big picture what difference did that $1500 make? None to me but a lot to the sellers.

If the property is worth having, it is worth having at market price.

Make your money the old-fashioned way. Not by stealing but by using your head. Find a way to build equity in the property by improving it, or holding it to let development to catch up with you (path of progress) or build equity through time and inflation.

A good solid investment property will do nothing but return an excellent ROI if managed properly. Even a property with a 4- or 5% cap rate can make sense if held for a number of years, managed properly, and located in a growing area.

Flippers may not like hearing this but too bad. Didn't your mother teach you not to steal?

Now go out and do the right thing.

 

15 Comments on Why Pay Retail?

JUL
05
2007
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Interesting post but, here is my question, why do we make the assumption that asking price is fair market value?  In my market there are numerous homes available in some subdivisions where the lowest list price is over 10% above anything that sold there in the last 6 months.  In this case the list prices are "above retail" and totally irrelevant to the home's true value.  Unfortunately, sellers' wants and needs have no bearing on market value, and demanding full price for a home that is more than 10% over market is just as much an attempt to steal.  Market value is defined what a willing buyer and seller are willing to agree on, when neither is under pressure to act.

10:18am • #1
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Regardless when you buy, peak or valley, if you hold for the long term it's hard not to make money.
10:23am • #2
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The sentiment is good. There are some sellers, however, who are asking way too much so a buyer has to use good sense.
10:48am • #3
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DAN market value is the price I'm talking about, not necessarily asking price. In a sellers market asking price probably is market price because they can get it and the next sale will support it. In a buyers market like we have now, many sellers are forced to sell at a price that cannot be justified except to say they had no choice. all I'm saying is "don't take advantage."

ARMANDO you are absolutely correct.

Thanks to both of you for responding.

Bill Roberts

10:55am • #4
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STEVEN that's what we are for. To give guidance to our clients so that they don't over-pay. However,we should also NOT participate if thet are trying to steal.

Bill Roberts

10:58am • #5
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As long as the sellers don't have a gun to their hand...at least one being held by me, then I say that all's fair in love and war!  If they don't want to accept my offer, then reject it.  My feelings won't be hurt.

I'm looking to buy a primary residence for myself right now that I plan on living in for probably 3 years at the most.  While not a flip, I still want to buy it "right" so that when I go to sell it 3 years from now I can make some money on it.  In this market, I have an abundance of homes to choose from and can close in a week.  If the seller is motivated enough, maybe they'll be happy with my offer.  If not, I'm confident that I'll find someone who will be.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

11:08am • #6
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Bill, You are also assuming that the seller has priced the property fairly!  I am not a Realtor but I see some pretty interesting transactions come across my desk.  I think win/win when it comes to transactions.
11:22am • #7
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Bob I understand that you are spending your own money and you want the best deal you can get. But don't be a thief. It is not becoming. Find the house you really want and pay a fair price. Buying it right means that with your knowledge of neighborhoods you can pick one that should out-perform the market. Makeyour money that way.

Good luck on finding your house.

Bill Roberts

11:34am • #8
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Rey, I think you should collect those steak dinners and the next time I'm in LV I'll help you eat them.

Bill Roberts

11:38am • #9
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Bill, great post!!  Sellers and buyers always have the choice of walking away from any deal.  They just need to go into it knowing what their own final price is.

On another note, I spent the 4th of July at the beach!!!  You guys sure know how to have a fireworks show!!  We are already planning on spending 2 weeks here next year!!

12:54pm • #10
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Karen, We were on the Big Bay (San Diego) last night so we were able to watch 5 or 6 different fireworks displays at the same time.

I'm glad you had a good time. two weeks isn't long enough. You need a rental house here (weekly rental) then you can come anytime and stay longer.

Bill Roberts

1:02pm • #11
OCT
06
2007
4 Featured Posts

Great perspective....I totally agree....

Had a 2 hour discussion on the way home yesterday with 3 of my realtor friends regarding the psychology of buying, not screwing the other party, etc....etc...

I guess the only caveat is knowing that a seller who will make less money than they anticipated, is still a win-win as they're still able to sell.

1:54pm • #12
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Bill, Thanks for reading this old post. It is from my second day on AR. I firmly believe that for a deal to be good, it needs to be good for everybody.

Bill Roberts

3:11pm • #13
OCT
19
2007
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Is it not our job to get the best deal for our clients....If we are representing the buyer that means doing exactly that.  If the seller doesn't want the offer it is on them...
8:33am • #14
109,021 Points 11 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Brandon, Maybe you don't understand fiduciary duty and agency. I don't know what the laws are in your state but in California we take this very seriously.

Bill Roberts

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