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Where's the Outcry?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Oak Creek Realty Group LLC MO# 1999078273

I'll admit to not having seen a lot of news yet today other than a couple of hours this morning, but; where is the outcry asking or actually accusing Obama of letting this terrorist onto the plane bound for Detroit so that they could justify whatever they want to do next. Conspiracy theories have abounded since 9/11 accusing Bush of knowing what was going to happen and letting it happen so that he could justify his pre-emptive strategy in the war against terror. None of it has ever been proven that I'm aware of though.

Yet here we now know that the government knew that this guy was a terrorist, his own father turned him in and told us we should keep an eye on the guy but what did we do? Nothing!

As I've heard Glen Beck say on the radio, "get out the duct tape before my head expoldes" this is nuts!!

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Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Hello?  He got on a plane in Amsterdam!  I don't think we have jurisdiction there!

Dec 30, 2009 08:15 AM
John Hersey
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty - York, PA
e-PRO Realtor

If it is a flight coming into OUR country, I think we have the right to know.  AND, I am sure we do.

Dec 30, 2009 08:26 AM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

Hello? We have complete control of who gets on an American Carrier coming to the US as well as anyone coming to the US on any other carrier. Besides the no fly list it's a thing called a Visa and no I don't mean the charge card.

Part of the whole problem, as admitted by Obama himself is that the information that the CIA had on the guy didn't go anywhere and this terrorist didn't make it onto a no fly list.

Dec 30, 2009 09:21 AM
Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

I'm not as pissed about the actions before as I am about Obama's actions AFTER... and his unwillingness to admit it was an AQ plot... even after they claimed responsibility. 

Dec 30, 2009 02:40 PM
Anonymous
Georgia

Do you hear the outrage now?  I do.  But will obama *do* anything to fix the problem or just give this would be murderer rights only American Citizens should have and a free attorney??

I'm betting on him doing nothing but spewing verbal diarrhea! 

Dec 30, 2009 05:47 PM
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Will Nesbitt
Nesbitt Realty at Condo Alexandria - Alexandria, VA
Nesbitt Realty is a family-run brokerage.

Inexperience is a dangerous vice in the Presidency.

Dec 30, 2009 11:58 PM
Bill Lauler
Chase Realty LLC - McLean, VA
Associate Broker,CIPS,CRB,SRES,GRI

most of the time the American public gets what they vote for,in this case not a good choice for me!

Dec 31, 2009 01:36 AM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

Inexperience is actually not so important as a few other attributes in my opinion at least.

1-Know what you know but more importantly what you don't know - The current President doesn't know a lot but talks as if he's an expert on most every thing.

2-Have the ability to recognize that your not the smartest person in the room and surround yourself with people that are smarter than you. - The current President thinks he's the smartest one in the room and has surrounded himself with yes men, puppets and hangers on. Henry Ford was criticized more than once for not being the sharpest knife in the drawer but he told people he didn't have to be so long as he surrounded himself with good people. He was right.

3-Have a fundamental understanding of history and what has made this country great and kept it safe. - The current President doesn't have a clue. He has a warped sense of history that has him apologizing to the rest of the world for our success.

4-Experience is important so I'm not discarding it, just saying it's not necessarily at the top of my list. - Here to though the current President is a dismal failure. We have a Chief Executive Officer, in charge of the only superpower left in the world, and he's never managed anything, never held a job in the private sector as an adult, never attempted to run a business, nothing. No big surprise we're getting what we're getting.

Dec 31, 2009 01:48 AM
Dan Sanley
La Mesa, CA

Walter, your first mistake was listening to Glenn Beck.  Plus if you MUST use TV as your news source, please use multiple sources for your information.  When you only here one side all the time, that is all you will believe.

Yes, this man was a terrorist, and this was a terroist attack (so far, singular).  President Obama has gone beyond the "experts" on his staff in declaring this, as well as saying there were massive failures in the system, that need to get fixed.  He is on top of it and you will probably see some heads roll.  With all the billions spent on increased security, and all the changes made in our intelligence network, we should not be seeing failure.

Just because a group takes credit for this man's actions, does not mean that this was some sort of organized terrorist plot, and Obama has been careful not to declare it as such.  I will be doing a post on this subject and we can debate there. "JUST WHO IS AL-QAEDA IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA?"

As for conspiracies.  Every time an "event" like this happens, we see the fear mongers come out and begin declaring that we are under a terrorist attack.  Look beneath those words and you will always see "Bush protected us, but Obama can't".  The real purpose for screaming "terror attack" is to further discredit Obama.

Dec 31, 2009 09:53 PM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

Typical arrogance of the left to think that I'm too stupid to know what's going on because I happen to like to listen to someone that tells the truth and bothers to document it. It just so happens that I listen to Beck and Limbaugh because they happen to agree with me for the most part, not the other way around.

For the record, I got my information on this from the AP, CNN, ABC and FOX as well as the Internet news sources. To my knowledge Obama has yet to decry this as an actual terrorist attack or treat it this way. If he did he would be treating this guy and the bunch from Guitmo as the prisoners of war that they are once apprehended rather than as local crooks.

What I was really pointing out was the continuing double talk and double standard of yourself and others on the left. Bush lied to us. He fabricated facts and reasons to justify his actions (but somehow, magically those things did prevent another attack) but Obama is wise just unlucky and his failures were not his own but a systemic problem within the system (but somehow magically we've been attacked twice now within a year, one successful and the other foiled by passengers, not the government).

The real purpose of screaming terror attack is to try to get people to remember that these people want us dead. They don't want to negotiate with us.  They don't want to live in peace with us. The ONLY way to win is to get them to their 72 virgins in heaven as quickly as possible as this is the only thing they really seem to have to live and die for.

As to the system, both under Bush and Obama money that has been spent has had very little to do with safety but more along the lines of making us feel safe. It's one reason I complained to Homeland Security within it's first year of existence. I don't fly unless forced, not because I'm worried about my safety, but rather because I can't stand the stupidity that goes for safety precautions in the airport.

Bush did a lot of things wrong but at least the guy recognized that we're at war. Obama seems to think if he just apologizes long enough for our past sins that the world will love us again. The fact is they will love us again, as soon as they need our protection again as we're the only ones with the gumption and resources left to do it; for now.

Jan 01, 2010 02:55 AM
Bob Cumiskey
A1 Connection Realty, Inc. - Sun City Center, FL
US Army Retired, Your Sun City Center, Florida ~ Realtor

Walter, Great post.  But, remember one thing.  Try not to confuse barry supporters (kind of like an athletic supporter?) with facts.  It makes it difficult for them to blame Bush.  Have a great day.

Jan 01, 2010 03:02 AM
Dan Sanley
La Mesa, CA

Walter, I am having difficulty sorting out your logic.  Are you assuming because I don't think you should listen to Glenn Beck, that I am somehow on "the left"?  The man is a nut case, pure and simple.  Tells the truth and documents it?  If that's what you believe, then nothing I can say will change your mind.  I will tell you that I think you are being mislead.

I have no idea what you are saying about double talk?  My only point is that this was not some massive organized terror attack as is being painted by the press and others whose only goal is to nail Obama.  Nothing suggests this to be a case of an organized attack, so why panic the public?

You brought up bush, I didn't.  See how he handled the shoe bomber (Reid), it was a hell of a lot more casual than how this administration handled the same type of incident.  Why the uproar with this incident?  It couldn't be just to find fault with Obama, could it?

I don't know how we got off on Virgins in Heaven.  BTW nobody ever told these guys that they intend to stay that way. 

You did say something I totally agree with, the stupidity of the safety precautions at the airport.  For example arguing with a woman for using a "pint bag" vs. a "quart bag" for her liquids.  I don't like to fly any more either.

I don't believe Obama thinks the way you say he does.  He has taken a very tough stance against al-Qaeda from the first day he was in office (increased drone attacks in Pakistan).  He has taken other steps and measures to increase pressure on them as well.  Increased forces planned for Afghanistan and now even military support against the enemy in Yemen.  You seem to be looking at all this differently.  What can I or anyone say to clear the air?  You are going to believe Beck because he tells the truth, leads me to believe you won't listen to anyone, and especially if you think they come from the left.

Jan 01, 2010 03:35 PM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

The fact that you don't or can't seem to acknowledge the fact that Glen (and he's not the only one) actually document what they report unlike the CBS, ABC and NBCs of the world who have been caught on more than one occasion fabricating the news to fit what they wanted to report, tells me quite a bit about where you fit into the political spectrum. If you disagree give me something that Glen has reported on of late that he has documented and is wrong about.

As to the double talk you are apparently the one in the dark since I heard Obama in his own words talk about the larger conspiracy behind what happened. This guy was not a loner. He was part of a larger movement and not seeing that is puttin one's head in the sand.

The fact is I happen to listen to all sides that make sense. It doesn't make sense to me to give this country away or to continue to apologize for the past or to try to appease those that don't like us because history says it won't work. You won't listen to the Glen Becks of the world because they present you with black and white facts that have nothing to do with how someone feels. Obama is a great president in the eyes of the left because he has great intentions.

Jan 02, 2010 11:18 AM
Dan Sanley
La Mesa, CA

Walter, I don't know what Glenn says about anything.  I only know his reputation.  I do not watch TV for anything, including my news sources.  I would be willing to bet the "facts" (and probably graphs and charts to make it more believeable) are distorted, based on reputation only.

I don't know what you mean about double talk, but am willing to listen.  I am NOT in the dark at all.  THERE IS NO CONSPIRICY!!!!!!  The reason I say he did this as a random act and not an organized attack is because this is NOT how al-Qaeda operates.  YES he was trained by these people.  YES they are dangerous.  But this was NOT a conspiracy and NOT an organized attack.  Please read my post on this subject, and you will understand better where I am coming from.  If it were in fact organized by al-Qaeda (as the group itself claims), then the trademark hit would have been at least 2 or 3 hits at the same approximate time.  No, this was a random act of one individual who was trained by a terror group in Yemen.  Period.

WHO the heck is appologizing for the past?  You are losing me (again).

You said you listen to ALL the news sources but you keep quoting Glenn Beck as being the "black and white" truth with facts.  Somehow you should listen to the other sides a little more.

Jan 02, 2010 01:58 PM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

I'm supposed to take you as credible in debating me when you call Glen Beck a "Nut Job" but you've never listened to him, never read anything he's written. Just going off his reputation from the left who doesn't like him embarrasing them on a pretty regular basis.

To say that al-Qaeda as a group wasn't responsible for Detroit just because there was only one attack is just, well it's just being foolish and a perfect example of why Obama is so dangerous, although even he recognizes the bigger picture in this case.

As to Obama apologizing for the past, how many links should I post to him making apologies for our past sins. His first trip overseas after assuming office was nothing more than an apology tour. For someone that is supposedly keeping up with the news you don't seem to know a lot about what's going on out there, or you're just turning a blind eye to it.

Lastly, what I said was the the difference in the Glen Becks of the world is that they see the world and report on it in black and white (we believe in absolutes). The left tends to see and report in shades of grey, unless reporting on the right. It's all about someones intentions and how they feel in situations. Just take our home grown terrorist for instance from the Ft. Hood shooting. The left still won't call him a terrorist, he's the "alledged shooter" and we're supposed to look deeper and understand why he shot all those people. Glen Beck and I would be on the side of the guy's a terrorist, he mowed down innocent people because he decided to. There's no reason to try to understand why he decided to the fact is it doesn't matter why he decided to. There's nothing that ever happened to him at any time in his life that justified the taking of innocent lives. That's the difference and if you can't see that or won't accept that this difference exists then I don't know how to help you I'm afraid.

Jan 02, 2010 07:57 PM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Walter, it is a given that Glenn Beck is full of sh*t!  His following is like a miniscule portion of the population.  He's lost over 100 sponsors because of his outrageous behaviour and mis-presentation of the facts surrounding the news.  If your source for news is Glenn Beck you are bereft of factual information!

Jan 03, 2010 08:46 AM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

Document it or shut up!. There isn't one single documented misrepresentation that I'm aware of on anything that Glen has reported on. If you have it put it out there and we can discuss it right along side Dan Rather making up news to report on Bush or NBC fabricating test on pickup trucks or a few others that can be easily documented.

This wasn't a blog about Glen Beck but I'm sick and tired of folks that are scared to death of the truth throwing crap around as means of deflection rather than dealing with the truth. It is true that a concerted effort was mounted against Glen Beck and Fox News for that matter that started in the White House itself. This came about after Glen exposed Van Jones for who he is. However it failed and failed miserably. Glen hasn't missed a beat other than being out for his appendix and is as big or bigger now than before.

If you want to have a debate on Glen Beck start your own blog. If that's the best you can do in response to what I wrote then please stay out of it. I used Glen in the very last sentence and what I used wasn't even in reference to the blog, just an adjective to describe my feelings.

Jan 03, 2010 09:17 AM
Walter Hayes
Oak Creek Realty Group LLC - Carl Junction, MO
Make the Right Move!

Sorry to have been somewhat harsh in my last response but I'm sick and tired of people throwing things out and calling people names when they don't have a clue what they're talking about. In the last instance here are the facts about Glen Beck and its the last I intend to say on him within this strand. There were about a dozen (far less than 100 unless you're using new math) that pulled advertising from the Glen Beck program. Not one single advertiser pulled their advertising from FOX News meaning not $1 was lost in advertising revenue to FOX News. They just asked that they're advertising money be spent on other shows. Glen Beck, best I know still has the same number of advertisers as before this campaign was waged, meaning that there was $0 that means NO money lost to the Glen Beck program.

Jan 04, 2010 06:36 AM
Anonymous
Georgia

Hey Walter! LMAO reading parts of this thread!  It IS a given that terry is full of shit!!

I don't see her, or anyone else on this "chat board" with their own show and 3 MILLION FOLLOWERS,  The boycott actually helped Beck's ratings SOAR!!

Gee,  according to some on here "organized" isn't an understood term.  LOL   

Jan 05, 2010 01:50 PM
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Anonymous
Georgia

Good morning Walter.  I wanted to add that if you enjoy verbal fencing then en garde!  And attack au fer!!     ; )

But if you are looking for intelligent dialogue, don't post in blatant politics!

Jan 06, 2010 12:58 AM
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