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30 Comments on How To Get Rid Of Ice Dams
Reuben, I was thinking around the interior of the rooms. My next question is why is the attic so warm---at least right at the eaves?
The attic will actually be coldest at the eaves. That's what causes the melted snow to re-freeze right at the eaves. The attached diagram should help. Don't get too hung up on the idea of preventing ice dams with ventilation - this isn't the best way to prevent ice dams.
Oh, I know that Reuben----just trying to figure out what is melting the snow so that it freezes when it gets to the cold part. If the attic is at the same (or close) temperature as the outdoors the snow should just sit there without melting. Now sun hitting one side could warm up the attic enough to melt the snow and the non-sun side of the house could melt and freeze at the overhang----and this is where ventilation would be crucial to keep the attic temp down even with the sun hitting it.
Charles - lol, of course you know this stuff! It seems to be more more dependent upon what is going on inside the house where the heat loss is occurring, and happens much more with low-sloped roofs. Steep roofs don't have these problems. What's melting the snow is lack of insulation and attic bypasses... but you already know that.
Ventilation would obviously help, but on these old 1 1/2 story houses that were never meant to have finished attic space, adding proper ventilation becomes a huge project that is usually just not cost effective. It does work though.
AHHH yes the ole finished attic story :) These old dinasaurs are hard to coax into the 21st century aren't they?
You bet. I hate inspecting these. I can rarely find anything positive to say about the insulation, air leakage, and ventilation situation. I usually tell my clients that they're buying a house with a huge finished area that can't be made right without tearing it apart and redoing everything.
Why did I buy one of these? sigh...
Yes Reuben, but when you figure out a way to do it you will be well on your way to your second million:)
Reuben: I am impressed at your comprehensive blogs! Very good stuff. I am glad that I am subscribed to you because you are a consistent producer of valuable, interesting and enlightening information. We don't deal with ice dams in this neck of the woods but I loved the dissertation! You must have been preparing for this post for a while. Very nice research, supporting pictures and presentation.
I thought that global warming would be the answer to ice dams.
Charles - second million? You're a funny guy.
Jim - you're too kind. You're very lucky this isn't an issue for you. The one request that I've received from a few different people now, not just Vince, is to try out a blow torch. Look for a video on that soon!
Heath - yeah, right? Global warming, my awl.
Hey Reuben since so much of the ice seems to be in the gutter----how about heating the gutter?
Heating the gutter would definitely work. I see three ways of doing it:
1. Lay a heat cable inside the gutter, preferably the type that is made just for this as a preventative measure.
2. Use a blowtorch.
3. Induce a current across the gutter, and let the resistance of the gutter cause it to heat up. That's safe, right?
Any other thoughts?
Ok Vince, here's your blowtorch method. I bought a new tank of propane and made a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8dENlmoMY
I haven't paid for a premium membership at AR, so I can't embed this video in my blog.
Reuben in relation to choice #3----especially in conjunction with that spiffy aluminum ladder:)
We melted our ice dam with hot tapwater in buckets and garden water pails carried to my one handed husband on a ladder. Then we put down the heat tape/cord thingy to hopefully prevent until we can afford to get proper ventilation.
Mary - that sounds like a TON of work! How long did that take?
Hi Reuben! I ran across your post as a reblog on Mary Strangs blog. Coming from sunny AZ I had no idea what an ice dam was. Your commentary was educational (and humurous). I had to chuckle. Loved the pros, cons and verdicts.
Reuben - I found this post through a re-blog by Cindy Jones. I'm going to link to it from a post on FocusOnCrofton.com one day next week. Very helpful!
Hi Kathy, I don't know how I didn't see your comment from a month ago... you're lucky that you never have to deal with this stuff.
Margaret - I'll keep a look out for it, thank you.
Reuben,
Great post. Good information and funny. I certainly need this information. My next choice would be to wait for spring and warmer weather, but I might have water coming through my ceiling if I wait that long.