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How To Get Rid Of Ice Dams

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Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

 

Last year at about this time I wrote a blog about ice dams, covering what needs to be done to prevent ice dams from happening, both on the inside and outside of the house.   This year I'll discuss a bunch of different ways to get rid of ice dams.  The methods involve axes, ice picks, pantyhose, salt, and heat cables.

Ice Dam 3

Axe

The most obvious way to get rid of ice dams would be to just take a blunt instrument and hack away at the ice dams.  I tried an axe.

Axe

Pros: Fast results - I hacked through several feet of six-inch thick ice dams in a matter of minutes.

Cons: Unsafe and cumbersome.   I had to set up a ladder on the icy ground and swing an axe while standing on a ladder.  The ice also really flew in my face - I should have been wearing goggles!  I was only able to remove the ice down to the gutter, and only able to get close to the surface of the roof without risking damage to the shingles.

Verdict: This is a high risk, but fast and effective way of getting rid of a lot of ice, but leaves the job incomplete.

Ice Pick

Sounds like a natural choice, doesn't it?  I actually used my awl, but close enough.

Reuben's Awl

Pros: Very fast results, very little effort.  It's as though this tool was made for picking at ice.  Oh, wait...  Still, I was genuinely surprised at how fast and accurate this method was.

Cons: Unsafe.  Again, I was jabbing at ice dams while standing on a ladder, which was sitting on the icy ground.  I also had to be very careful to not damage the roof.

Verdict: This is definitely my method of choice.  Nothing else worked nearly as well.

Roof Tablets

Yes, this is a product designed specifically for preventing damage from ice dams.  Contrary to the name on the container, the product doesn't actually melt your roof (whew).  The instructions say to toss the tablets on to your roof and they'll melt through the ice dams, allowing for "water to drain safely".

Roof Melt Tablet Container

Roof Melt Tablet Instructions
Roof Melt Tablets

I tried tossing the tablets on the roof like the instructions said to do, but it didn't work out very well.  I consider my tablet tossing skills to be above average, but I still couldn't get the tablets to end up in a good location - they all just slid together in one place.  If I didn't get a ladder out to take pictures, I never would have known that the tablets didn't end up in a good spot.

Roof Melt Tablets Tossed

Just to give the roof melt tablets the best possible chance for success, I hand-placed them on the ice dam and I used about four times as much as the directions called for.

Roof Melt Tablets Placed Day 1

By day two, I had some pretty dramatic results - the tablets had melted all the way through the ice dam.  btw - for anyone in a southern climate that might be reading this blog, that white stuff on the ice is snow, from a very light snowfall the night before.

Roof Melt Tablets Day 2

By the third day, not much change.  There were definite holes in the ice dam, and some channels had formed for water to drain through, but the majority of the ice was still there.

Roof Melt Tablets Day 3 #2 Roof Melt Tablets Day 3 #1

Pros: If you had perfect aim and tablets didn't move after you tossed them on to the roof, this would be very safe.

Cons: The tablets don't stay where they land, which negates the whole safety thing - I still had to set up a ladder on the icy ground and move the tablets around myself.  This method was also pretty ineffective - it created a bunch of holes in the ice dam, but so what?  Most of the ice dam was still there in the end.

Verdict: This might be a nice way to get down to the roof surface, and it would be nice to follow up with an ice pick after a day or two, but the tablets alone aren't great.  Sure, it's safe... but so is sitting inside a warm house.  Neither gets the job done.

Salt Filled Pantyhose

This is a simple, straight-forward approach.  Take off your pantyhose, fill 'em up with ice melt (calcium chloride or something similar), and toss 'em on your roof.  The idea is that the salt will leak through the pantyhose and eventually melt the ice dams away to nothing.   This is supposed to work better than just putting salt directly on the roof, because salt applied directly to the roof will just melt a bunch of tiny holes, much the same way the tablets melted large holes.

Salt Filled Pantyhose Day 1

By day two, there were several tiny holes in the ice dam.  Whoop-de-doo.  Salt alone would have done this.

Salt Filled Pantyhose Day 2

By day three, the pantyhose had started to melt in to the ice dam, and had completely melted down to the roof.   The part that hadn't melted down to the roof basically had a hard, crusty layer of salt(?) formed on the bottom of the pantyhose, and nothing else was happening.  I picked up the pantyhose, broke up all the chunks of stuck together salt, and placed it back down.

Salt Filled Pantyhose Day 3 #1 Salt Filled Pantyhose Day 3 #2

On day four, I tried moving the pantyhose again to loosen up the stuck together chunks of salt, and the pantyhose ripped apart, leaving a big mess of salt on the roof.  Yuck.

Salt Filled Pantyhose Day 4 #1
Salt Filled Pantyhose Day 4 #2

Pros: This is pretty safe.

Cons: Took way too long and didn't do much.  Waste of time.  I wonder if I can return the pantyhose to Walgreens?

Verdict: Better than nothing.

Heat Cables

For the record, heat cables aren't supposed to be placed directly on ice dams, but some people might try it anyway.  My friend did this at a house he owns in Saint Louis Park... so I took pictures.  These photos all show the heat cables after about one day.

Heat Cables #2

Note the creative way of keeping the cables from touching each other.  Pretty cool, huh?

Heat Cables #3
Heat Cables #4
Heat Cables #6

Pros: Gets the job done, and will prevent the formation of ice dams throughout the rest of the year.

Cons: Heat cables aren't made for this, and I'm sure the manufacturer would tell you that this poses some type of safety hazard.  Stringing up the cable was also very unsafe.  It's a good thing my friend owns a jet pack.

Verdict: Don't do this.

Summary

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  My favorite method was definitely the ice pick, but this was also very unsafe, and there's a good chance that the roof surface could get damaged this way.  I'd rather not have to deal with ice dams at all.

After a good snowfall, rake the snow off your roof.   This definitely takes the least amount of effort and it's safe.  I've been asked whether a roof rake will damage the roof, and the answer is definitely no.  A good roof rake will have little wheels at the bottom of the rake , which prevents the bottom of the rake from even touching the surface of the roof.  Rake away.

Roof Rake Head

POST EDIT 1/6/10:  The following video shows how a blowtorch will work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8dENlmoMY

RELATED POST: How To Prevent Ice Dams

 

Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben, I was thinking around the interior of the rooms.  My next question is why is the attic so warm---at least right at the eaves?

Jan 05, 2010 08:59 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

The attic will actually be coldest at the eaves. That's what causes the melted snow to re-freeze right at the eaves.  The attached diagram should help.  Don't get too hung up on the idea of preventing ice dams with ventilation - this isn't the best way to prevent ice dams.

Jan 05, 2010 09:10 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Oh, I know that Reuben----just trying to figure out what is melting the snow so that it freezes when it gets to the cold part.  If the attic is at the same (or close) temperature as the outdoors the snow should just sit there without melting.  Now sun hitting one side could warm up the attic enough to melt the snow and the non-sun side of the house could melt and freeze at the overhang----and this is where ventilation would be crucial to keep the attic temp down even with the sun hitting it.

Jan 05, 2010 09:19 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Charles - lol, of course you know this stuff!  It seems to be more more dependent upon what is going on inside the house where the heat loss is occurring, and happens much more with low-sloped roofs.  Steep roofs don't have these problems.  What's melting the snow is lack of insulation and attic bypasses... but you already know that.   

Ventilation would obviously help, but on these old 1 1/2 story houses that were never meant to have finished attic space, adding proper ventilation becomes a huge project that is usually just not cost effective.  It does work though.

Jan 05, 2010 12:26 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

AHHH yes the ole finished attic story :)  These old dinasaurs are hard to coax into the 21st century aren't they?

Jan 05, 2010 12:31 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

You bet.  I hate inspecting these.  I can rarely find anything positive to say about the insulation, air leakage, and ventilation situation.  I usually tell my clients that they're buying a house with a huge finished area that can't be made right without tearing it apart and redoing everything.  

Why did I buy one of these?  sigh...

Jan 05, 2010 12:47 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Yes Reuben, but when you figure out a way to do it you will be well on your way to your second million:)

Jan 05, 2010 12:54 PM
Jim Allhiser
Perfection Inspection, Inc. - Salem, OR
Salem, Oregon Home Inspector

Reuben:  I am impressed at your comprehensive blogs!  Very good stuff.  I am glad that I am subscribed to you because you are a consistent producer of valuable, interesting and enlightening information.  We don't deal with ice dams in this neck of the woods but I loved the dissertation!  You must have been preparing for this post for a while.  Very nice research, supporting pictures and presentation.

Jan 06, 2010 01:12 AM
Associate Broker Falmouth MA Cape Cod Heath Coker
https://teamcoker.robertpaul.com - Falmouth, MA
Heath Coker Berkshire Hathaway HS Robert Paul Prop

I thought that global warming would be the answer to ice dams.

Jan 06, 2010 02:40 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Charles - second million?  You're a funny guy.

Jim - you're too kind.  You're very lucky this isn't an issue for you.  The one request that I've received from a few different people now, not just Vince, is to try out a blow torch.  Look for a video on that soon!

Heath - yeah, right?  Global warming, my awl. 

Jan 06, 2010 03:05 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Hey Reuben since so much of the ice seems to be in the gutter----how about heating the gutter?

Jan 06, 2010 03:09 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Heating the gutter would definitely work.  I see three ways of doing it:

1. Lay a heat cable inside the gutter, preferably the type that is made just for this as a preventative measure.

2. Use a blowtorch.

3. Induce a current across the gutter, and let the resistance of the gutter cause it to heat up.  That's safe, right? 

Any other thoughts?

Jan 06, 2010 03:19 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Ok Vince, here's your blowtorch method.  I bought a new tank of propane and made a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8dENlmoMY

I haven't paid for a premium membership at AR, so I can't embed this video in my blog.

Jan 06, 2010 09:07 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben in relation to choice #3----especially in conjunction with that spiffy aluminum ladder:)

Jan 06, 2010 10:52 AM
Anonymous
Mary in Nebraska

We melted our ice dam with hot tapwater in buckets and garden water pails carried to my one handed husband on a ladder.  Then we put down the heat tape/cord thingy to hopefully prevent until we can afford to get proper ventilation.

Jan 18, 2010 01:17 AM
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Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Mary - that sounds like a TON of work!  How long did that take?

Jan 18, 2010 12:44 PM
Kathy Anderson
Arizona Luxury & Lifestyle Living - Cave Creek, AZ
Arizona Homes For Sale

Hi Reuben!  I ran across your post as a reblog on Mary Strangs blog.  Coming from sunny AZ I had no idea what an ice dam was.  Your commentary was educational (and humurous).  I had to chuckle.  Loved the pros, cons and verdicts.

Jan 26, 2010 10:19 PM
Margaret Woda
Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc. - Crofton, MD
Maryland Real Estate & Military Relocation

Reuben - I found this post through a re-blog by Cindy Jones.  I'm going to link to it from a post on FocusOnCrofton.com one day next week.  Very helpful!

Feb 20, 2010 04:33 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Hi Kathy, I don't know how I didn't see your comment from a month ago... you're lucky that you never have to deal with this stuff.

Margaret - I'll keep a look out for it, thank you.

Feb 20, 2010 05:26 AM
Ron Trzcinski, 410-935-5844
410-935-5844 Office - Cockeysville, MD

Reuben,

Great post.  Good information and funny.  I certainly need this information.  My next choice would be to wait for spring and warmer weather, but I might have water coming through my ceiling if I wait that long.

Feb 20, 2010 05:46 AM