Internet Lead Conversion in the Year 2010

Oh no, not another post about these companies that sell leads to unsuspecting and unknowing agents who will do almost anything other than picking up a phone themselves to promote their business.

Now what I'm about to say comes from experience and research.  I have actually looked at some of the products from companies "guaranteeing" leads.  I don't necessarily agree with Bob Stewart in his post "Internet Lead Conversion: It's Probably Not the Leads, It's Probably You", because his theory is that some agents do better with lead conversion of similar leads than others.  I would contend that this is certainly a factor but not the primary reason.

I won't name names here.  But I have looked, tested, paid and cried at the crap that many of these so-called lead generating firms offer.  I've sat down with upset consumers that have no idea how their name got onto a list and why 4 different realtors have called them about listing their homes.  I've battled with threats of fines for calling people on the DNC list, and have had no support from the vendor that sold me the consumer's contact information.

I've worked with brokerages that believe in "don't make anyone register for free information" all the way to "you must register before you can enter the site."  When I bought my Weichert franchise in 2008, I had to make an informed decision on how much information to provide before I require registration. 

Why is this important?  Because you don't want to get 100 "leads" a day from names like "Ida Ho" and "Dick Hurtz" which don't get caught and filtered out like names such as "Fred Flintstone" or "Sherlock Holmes." 

So, the moral of my story is: "generate you own leads using Search Engine Optimization and good old fashioned pressing the flesh."  Bob says in his article that the NAR says that the average lag between initial contact and actual purchase is 8 months. In my experience, that time period is getting longer as people "hold out" for something better.  Good properties move fast - so fast that if the Internet buyer is not in daily contact with his Realtor, the listing gets sold before they finish their "on-line analysis" of the property - you know what I mean - what does Trulia or Zillow say - how can I reconcile the differences between the two - why are tax assessments so much higher (or lower) than asking prices, etc.

So, I will now step off my soap box and tell you how my agents consistently show 9-18% closure rates on internet based leads.

Step A.  The Lead Capture mechanism

  1. Regular mailings to the farm area, including "humorous" (memorable) postcards, sports schedules on magnets and foldable schedules for wallets.
  2. Spot on market commentary and analysis of market absorption and sales trends  AND comparison to neighboring towns.
  3. Top notch website with up to date information and links (always make sure your links work at least monthly)
  4. Mobile phone app download available for consumers to search listings with their Smart Phones
  5. A network of "Gold Services Partners" all working to refer business back to me, as I do for them
  6. Active participation in social networking and real estate related web content and commentary
  7. Regular press releases announcing community activities, new agents, awards, etc.
  8. Handing out ice scrapers at the commuter rail station with our office information, and other goodies throughout the year

Step B.  The Contact Management System

Can be expensive or cheap, but must have the following attributes:

  1. Fields for first, last name
  2. name of spouse and kids
  3. birthdays and anniversaries
  4. address, email, telephone, cell phone, and work
  5. preferred method of contact
  6. ability to e-mail directly from the system and to receive incoming e-mails that are filed with the customer
  7. a "notes" section for the agent's personal comments about a discussion, showings, etc

Step C.  The "Bells and Whistles"

This is where we separate the serious lead management guru's from the dabblers

  1. The ability to validate e-mail addresses for Internet registrations
  2. The ability to cross-check phone numbers against reverse lookup databases
  3. The ability to track the source of the lead and incoming search words used to find my site
  4. The ability to analyze the time that people are visiting my site.  People who register on a Friday at 3:00 am are more likely to be surfers than those who are sipping coffee at the office at 8:45 am waiting for the day to start
  5. The ability to send out daily updates and to provide a link to neighborhood information and maps
  6. The ability to see what the leads are looking at so that we can follow up
  7. A "contact me now" button if they see a property that they really like.
  8. A vendor partner that can provide demographic information for targeted marketing efforts
  9. A vendor (hopefully integrated) that will allow you to send out thousands of e-mails a month with the ability to get through spam engines

Step D.  The Follow up System

Drip Marketing - A MUST

  1. We use "canned" content and customized templates that are attractive, have our contact information, a "contact me" button and promotion to use our on-line tools.
  2. Invitations to home buyer's seminars, community events and publicity
  3. Separate and distinct "campaigns" for new buyers, people registered to receive home updates, those who are not yet signed up for home updates, former clients, renters, FSBOs, rental clients whose leases are coming up for renewal, recent divorcees, recent widow or widowers, etc.
  4. A methodical system of follow up.  Passive marketing must not be the only means of contact.

Multiple levels of communication

  1. Agents must pick up the phone at least monthly to speak with the lead or be able to leave a message
  2. Personal e-mail follow up about a new listing, "did you get my last newsletter, etc"
  3. Mailings that are attractive and memorable.

Management and Supervision

  1. All active leads must be updated at least weekly, long term active at least twice a month, "incubating leads" - every three weeks with a status.  This is not a replacement for the drip marketing and multiple levels of communication that we have mandated.
  2. The ability for the manager to "see" real time each lead and last contact recorded (using a green, yellow and red coloring system)
  3. The ability for the agent to return leads so that they don't think that they are "stuck" with "dead" leads
  4. The ability for the manager to easily reassign leads if an agent leaves, is dehired or returns leads which the manager still thinks should be worked.
  5. A separate "drip" system and incubation for returned and "dead" leads that is strictly e-mail based with the hope that the customer will either "unsubscribe" or be open to periodic calls from a new agent who is prospecting.
  6. LEADS AND FOLLOW UP NEVER GO AWAY UNTIL THE CUSTOMER SAYS "STOP"

Step E.  Lead Management that is uniquely Weichert

There is no other firm out there that has the technology, budget, and infrastructure to host a national call center that operates everyday of the week to route leads to local agents.  Unlike the system of auto-routing a lead to an agent's e-mail, the Weichert Lead Network actually performs a warm transfer of the lead while they are still on the phone with our call center.  National statistics show that on average, it takes 54 hours for an Internet based lead to have their call returned.  We do it in 5-8 minutes.  If an agent can't take the call, it goes to another live agent.  We do not give the lead the opportunity to search anyone else's website for information. 

All new agents are required (and experienced agents encouraged) to participate in weekly I-Call sessions.  We take our list of visitors from open houses, cold-call lists that have been scrubbed against the national DNC list, and other returned or incubated leads owned by the office and CALL these people.  All agents must submit a list of their calls and the results each week and must have a minimum of 100 names on it.  Remember, it takes 100 calls to get 1 appointment. 

Step F.  Recognize the Leaders

We do everything we can to promote and encourage a healthy team spirit and reward successful agents with the ability to earn more and share in the success of the office through profit sharing and management opportunities.  Every agent's performance is measured in terms of a) number of times I or the Lead Network tried to provide them with a Lead (i.e. the number of times they answered their phone), b) the quality and timeliness of follow up using the systems and tools provided, and c) their success rate in closing deals.

So, in conclusion, I still believe that it is the quality of the lead that is the primary factor in lead conversion.  The customer has to wantto work with a realtor.  Secondly, it is the responsibility of the agent to follow up regularly and using innovative methods.  Lastly, it is the management of the agents to do their jobs.

 

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117 Comments on Internet Lead Conversion is not for Sissies

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JAN
07
2010
321,764 Points 16 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

It isn;t for sissies, true, but neither is it for those who love adventure. It's meticulous, tiring, consistent.

11:59pm • #100
JAN
08
2010
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Thx for your detail on conversion...some much attention these days to Lead Gen and so little on Lead Conversion.

4:47am • #101
116,152 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I wish I could have read your whole blog post, but the background hurt my eyes.

5:05am • #102
239,241 Points 16 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Keep the comments coming, folks!  Beverly #98 - I'm not sure where you are headed, but it sounds like you may need a FART (Full Attitude Readjustement Talk).  The Internet and Internet based leads are here to stay.  If you don't have a capture mechanism to brand these leads to you, then the only other way is to live off of your referrals and sphere of influence - which is what you may be able to do - but to increase your earning potential - you've got to find those buyers (87% of which find their next home on the internet).  Short of having an award winning website and SEO platform, you may have to result to buying leads, which in my opinion is the least cost effective, and least fulfilling method out there.

6:32am • #103
129,439 Points

Thanks for the post.  Will definitely have to start implementing these ideas and some of those of the commenter's.

7:48am • #104

Yes, internet leads are not for sissies.  When you encourage people not to buy leads, do you think about this:  If a person is not talented at doing SEO (a skill with lots of knowledge), that person will pay MONEY to get a site optimized on certain keyword searches.  Sooooo, you are going to pay money for something to get internet leads.

I don't have the skill or TIME to become and SEO expert. 

When I FARM, I spend money, so not lead is FREE, right?  If you farm 500, mail each month for 12 months (when you can expect results from a farm) and spend say $0.75 per postcard with postage. That's ).75 x 500 x 12 f= $4500 or a lead.  Granted, you could some sooner, you could get more, but certainly you HAVE to keep it up to get leads. 

CHEAPEST LEADS - definitely from referrals and working your sphere of influence (See Gary Keller's MREA basic book).  People who relied on these leads in my $500k average home price city suffered the most.  They were not trying to reach new people and the open houses were slow and the listings were slow.  You see where I'm going.

The answer to me is to minimize your lead cost and work the hec out of them!

Laura Dickenson
9:27am • #105

Martin you are so right, this is not only the formula for a successful real estate agent, it is also a great formula for a successful office.

10:42am • #106
239,241 Points 16 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Joshua #104

Before they were the Atlanta Braves, they were the Boston Braves.  You can never get away from Red Sox Nation!

2:35pm • #108

Great post! Best I've read all day! Great information, Thanks for sharing!

4:03pm • #109
2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I had spent $1,500 on internet lead company and have had not closed deals with them.   I hemmed and hawed about re-upping with an even more seductive rate from them but more money.  I am so glad that I decided no.  I will just stick to the basics and make it happen myself.

8:24pm • #110
166,347 Points 1 Featured Post Attended Rain Camp

Thanks for your VERY THOUGHTFUL Research and Insight!

You made me think!  Does my company do that?  Should I do this?

Definitely will have to bookmark to refer back to your encouraging remarks to make sure our business is on track.   Joy

10:58pm • #111
JAN
09
2010
161,382 Points 2 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp

Very helpful. Thank you for the information.

10:03am • #112
621,224 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog

All good stuff and a good read, you have certainly gotten the attention you deserve for the hard work you have done. Don't be a HATER be a MOTIVATOR.

10:19pm • #113
JAN
10
2010

Ice scrapper in Florida?  Well we could actually use them today.  1 out of 100 leads is a lot of work.  We have a good lead generating website which was just redesigned to capture more leads.  Hope our average is better.

9:13am • #114
381,140 Points 8 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Some good hand-on knowledge on lead generation to put into practice.

3:50pm • #115

Wow...this has a ton of great information and I've bookmarked it to verify my system against what you are doing..Thank you!

7:07pm • #116
JAN
13
2010
1,142,581 Points 242 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Martin!  WOW, this is 3 full pages of AWESOME information!  Thank you!  I have printed to review and digest further for my team.  Immediately, I'm wondering what system you use that scrubs the email addresses and phone numbers, validating them prior to you working them.  You have an amazing system here and I can't see that anyone couldn't put this into action for themselves.

GREAT JOB and THANK YOU!

2:18pm • #117
JAN
14
2010
107,181 Points

I book marked your blog for such good information...However, I agree that lead companies are crap...I  was suckered in by the sales talk. and they took hundreds of dollars from my debit card.

and the leads hung up when i called, did not return calls or emails and names like Bee Gee and

Ida Hole.

I would buy a lead if the lead company gave me the lead and i did not pay them UNTIL I got paid at closing...like a referral fee

12:40pm • #118
JAN
16
2010

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