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Florida Condos For Sale - The Good- The Bad- And The Ugly- With Some Help From Fannie (Their New Friend).

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The condo market has taken a huge hit here in Florida. During the boom rush here in Florida developers were buying up every square inch of prime intracoastal and waterfront properties and luxury condo projects would sprout up accompanied by bidding wars and super sales. florida condos for sale

The developers and builders who were not so connected as to get prime space would then start buying up existing apartment complexes all over the place with no regard or conscious thought of how these units would fair in a down market.

These condo conversions have become some of the worst investments of all time besides those who ended up owning swamp land years ago instead of the pretty picturesque countrysides painted in the brochures. 

We had one lady call us who bought 4 of these units. She paid over $350,000 for each of these junky 2 bedroom apartment/condos in West Palm Beach that were converted yet still look like apartments. Just knowing the locations of these different buildings will tell us all we need to know. We know the market so well here that when a condo owner calls and we get the idea of the geographic location- we know what the value has plummeted to. 

In reality, if you are going to buy a condo, you want it to be waterfront, oceanfront, intracoastal frontage, golf course frontage or some other highly sought after specific like CityPlace, an urban style living area where it is posh to be a part of that scene. It is all about the location. Wellington Florida is also an area where even though condo prices went down, they are still selling for decent prices with the interest being from the equestrian people who just want a small place during horse season and want to pay cash for their horse caregivers, vets, grooms, etc. 

Other than that, the banks are not even going through with the foreclosures because they don't even want those conversions back. Some of the places around Palm Beach county are in such disrepair and neglected because no one is paying HOA fees so the HOA has no money to repair anything. There are places where the sellers call us to tell us they are afraid to go into their communities where loitering has become the norm along with urinating in their swimming pools. 

Back to the investor who called us- she wanted to know if she could short sale those condos- that she paid over 10 times what they are worth today! You can't give away those condos for 30K. The banks don't even want them. We asked someone we know at Chase what are they going to do? They are dealing with this in Arizona with the hotel/condos also. Chase told us they won't foreclose, the people call them and ask them what to do, the bank tells them to just leave the keys on the table. It is not even worth their time, money and energy to even foreclose on some of these units in these kinds of complexes. Of course, we were not able to help this homeowner. Our attorney told her the best thing she could do was file bankruptcy. 

We asked Chase if they thought of any remedy to this type of condo problem and they said that really, the only hope they have is for some investor to come along and want to buy the entire building. But they don't have much hope for that because an investor would want to rent out the units and most by-laws say you can't rent for the first year. Then he would also have to change the Condo docs which is a very expensive and extensive chore that most investors do not want to undertake. 

That is the story on those condo conversions but even the luxury condo market in Florida took a big beating. Beautiful buildings sit unfinished with gorgeous waterviews. There is no money to finish some of the projects. 

Which leads us to the next situation with condos for sale in Florida. 

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now own about 90% of all the mortgage debt in this country. Conventional loans are almost all are backed by either Fannie or Freddie. They had to impose guidelines for lending on condos. Most of our condo listings are bought by buyers who pay cash for their condos. We also get a lot of Canadians buying condos here because they can leave them here and know they will be taken care of. 

 

  • If too many of the owners of the condos are behind in their HOA fees; you can not get an FHA or a Conventional loan in that particular condo building. 
  • If there are too many vacant units you can not get a Conventional or FHA loan in that condo development. 
  • And if the condo building is not completed past a certain phase, you also can not get a loan. 

 

The state will have to come in and take over the HOA if they can not pay their insurance bills and major repairs. 

So here comes Fannie to the partial rescue! ( tongue in cheek). 

Fannie Mae has approved a "Special Designation For Florida Condos". This only applies to certain condos that meet certain criteria established by Fannie Mae and is only for condo projects in the state of Florida. Lenders are not allowed to submit condo projects for consideration but they may be able to get approvals on the condos that Fannie has placed on its' list of approved condo projects. Prior to a lender doing a loan for a buyer in a condo project they must first make sure that condo is on the Special Designation list. 

Does that sound like a new subprime product? 

Let's look at a few facts you may not be aware of: 

According to Fortune Magazine and Fannie and Freddie's investor analysis: 

 

  • In 2006 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac owned about 40% of all the mortgage debt. 
  • In 2008 they owned 50% of all the mortgage debt. 
  • In the latter part of 2009- they now own about 90% of all mortgage debt. Private investors are just about gone. 
  • Fannie Mae in 2009 had losses of 58 BILLION dollars. 
  • Freddie Mac in 2009 had losses of 14 BILLION dollars. 
  • That is a combined loss of $72 BILLION dollars. 
  • The U.S. Treasury has given them 112 Billion dollars in aid so far and just signed a blank check to hand over to Fannie and Freddie. 
  • Fannie and Freddie are rewarding their CEOs and others for their big losses to the tune of about $6 million dollars to each employee in this category. 
  • In 2007 the height of their stock was in August at $70 a share. 
  • In 2009 their stock only rose slightly above two dollars ($2.) a share twice! 

 

While NAR may applaud such dealings with their main focus being on selling property I would like to propose that the end does not always justify the means especially when the burden will fall upon each and every one of us and our children and their children to pay these losses all back. 

I can deal with cash buyers all day long. But there is nothing in it for Fannie and Freddie when buyers choose to use cash

 

 

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Comments(28)

Claudette Millette
The Buyers' Counsel - Ashland, MA
Buyer, Broker - Metrowest Mass

Katerina:

What a stunning expose on what has happened to real estate in Florida. I feel for anyone who invested in those condo conversion units. It speaks volumes when the bank does not even want them back. 

This is valuable information for anyone looking at condo properties in your area.

 

Jan 12, 2010 12:09 AM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Of the California investors who bought investment property in Oklahoma, the ones who have lost their homes here are the ones who bought heavily in Florida. It wasn't that Florida is a bad place, it is just that they bought here for long term cash flow, and bought in Florida to get rich quick. Too many people thought that investment was easy, and that they would be wealthy beyond belief. The problem was it was like a game of musical chairs but this time all the chairs disappeared at once and no one had a place to sit. 

Jan 12, 2010 12:17 AM
Michael Myers
King-Rhodes & Associates - Cherokee Village, AR

I lived in Boca Raton in the mid to late 80s. What a great time to be in your 20s in school and living in the only rental building on the beach in Boca. The retirees in the condos up and down now that I think of it probably didn't like us too much. I'm sure they mumbled to themselves about how and why they let so many kids who had no money live on the ocean in Boca Raton next to them? I officially apologize on AR to the people of the Yacht and Racquet Club next door. We were the ones who threw the best parties on the beach back then. Yes, I was one of them and I apologize today for it. We were quite known for them for a period of time, but that was another time and place in a different life.

For those of you who know Boca Raton today, can you imagine having a bonfire on the beach in Boca at all hours of the night with 25 to 100 of your closest friends and of course the cars parked up and down A1A, and when the police show up, they just tell you to tone it down a bit and make sure the fire is out in the next half hour? Are you kidding me? Not a chance today, you'd be thrown in jail in two minutes flat today if you ever tried to do anything close to that. Times change, my friends, and so does real estate.

Now back to the reason for the reply..... That rental building was 2519 North Ocean and the building behind it was 940 Sweetwater known back then as Oceanview/Lakeview. Paying $500 month for a oceanview apt is something that will never be seen again. We did.

That complex went condo conversion eventually long after I moved out, and quite frankly, I have no idea how it's doing. I would suppose it is ok due to the prime location, and in the end it will do just fine. What I am getting at is back in the late 80s and early 90s Boca Raton and much of that area's coastline north and south was flooded with overbuilt condos. They overbuilt in the early to mid 80s and by the late 80s to the early 90s there was a tremendous glut. I can remember oceanfront condos along A1A in Boca Raton trying to sell for as low as $50k! There were too many and you couldn't give them away is what a couple of local real estate people I got to know clued me in on back then.

Today, even in this down market, I cannot imagine there is any oceanfront condo in Boca that is anywhere near that price.

This too will pass and common sense will come to smart buyers who realize for very good, quality properties in prime locations, some of these prices will be too good to pass up. Others, like the areas she is describing and the condo conversions she described that are not prime locations (and yes, believe it or not, in south Florida, there are plenty of non-prime, junky locations), those will be hard to impossible to get rid of anytime soon with the problems that presently exist.

The days of $50,000 oceanfront Boca condos are long gone, but for a time there, you could have had your pick. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I suspect in 10 years the real estate stories of south Florida in 2010 will be great cocktail party conversations about, "Do you remember when you could buy a (fill in the blank) for (fill in your low price here)?"

That conversation will happen.

Jan 12, 2010 01:39 AM
Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor®
Lewisburg, WV
Lewisburg WV, the go to agent for all real estate

Katerina...truly a sad situation.  Hard to believe that the banks do not want some of the property...I am sending this post to some friends in Florida. 

Jan 12, 2010 01:51 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Michael- You hit the nail right on the head. The key is to allow the market to work itself out. Agents in real estate sales may not like that because they want to keep selling and turning the properties over to make a living. But at what point do we stop to say, stop interfering and trying to change things and instead allow the free markets to move freely. Prices go up and then they go down. There were NO bailouts for the 80's over building of condos. Did the government come rushing down here to help those condos back then? No, I would argue, they did not. 

You are right, you will not find ocean condos in Boca in the 50K range. You will not find that price in prime locations. That is why it is always a wise decision to choose good locations for buying a condo. 

Jan 12, 2010 02:10 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Joe- You are so right. The ignorance in so many people who thought the prices would go up forever even when they were no way sustainable. The law of gravity can be applied in many ways to economics too:) What goes up, must come down:) We have even so many people here in Florida who bought multiple condos at one time and I am not talking two or three! How about 9 or 10! We refused to sell to those buyers. Our first question was always, how do you plan to make the payments. They would say, they are not, they will flip before construction is finished- to which we would ask, and what if something happens and you end of owning these condos? How will you pay for them? They bought through other agents and are now crying to us about their poor investment decisions. 

Jan 12, 2010 02:15 AM
Michael Cantwell
Guild Mortgage - NMLS ID #3274 - Jupiter, FL
Homes For Wealth

Nestor and Katerina,

 

I see this in real time every day just like both of you.  When people ask me about the Florida market I always say that it is two different markets that you are asking about.  One it the SF and PUD market and the other is the condo market.  I see no light at the end of the tunnel for condos until FNMA and FHLMC come in and allow financing on what they are taking back and state governments that approved these project provide strong tax abatement's.

 

Thanks for the post and I am going to reblog as this information is very valuable.

 

Michael

Jan 12, 2010 02:31 AM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

 You know as an investor now appears to be the time to act ! However the strength of the HOA has never been huger ! Do you guys have a"Best Buys List" you reccomend ?

Jan 12, 2010 03:17 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Michael- Not off the top but you just gave me a great idea. Thanks. We do like certain buildings more than others because of location and stability. 

 

Jan 12, 2010 04:44 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Michael- Hi! Thank you for the reblog. Most of the buyers we get for condos are all cash. When our sellers choose offers to accept; they choose the all cash offers. We just got an approval on short sale listing we have in The Slade, ocean view for 125K! What a steal!!! It is a cash buyer from Canada.  We just got another approval for an intracoastal unit in Miami- 99K All cash, short sale approved yesterday. AMAZING PRICES and I would put my cash in those instead of Wall Street! Cash buyers can turn this market around. I am not keen on Freddie and Fannie getting more toxic at our expense:) Katerina

Jan 12, 2010 04:50 AM
James Lyon
Vista Pacific Realty - Sacramento, CA

Wow, that is just really sad. I think of all the people that bought one or more of these condo's with retirement money only to loose it all. Wont be long before the government runs all mortgages and lets not even get started on health care.

Jan 12, 2010 05:19 AM
Mike Frazier
Carousel Realty of Dyer County - Dyersburg, TN
Northwest Tennessee Realtor

Katerina,

I just grabbed one of those good deals up in the panhandle. I bought a 1 bedroom that sleeps 6 in Destin right on the beach.

Jan 12, 2010 07:27 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

James- With Fannie Mae's new leasing program- Fannie will just own all the real estate and be the largest landowner in history of American property. The easy way to take over your private property rights. And don't even get me started on whether this was orchestrated or not! 

Jan 12, 2010 07:34 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Mike- That is awesome! Good for you! Now that is moving markets! Thank you for participating! 

Jan 12, 2010 07:35 AM
Andrew Monaghan
The Monaghan Group - Glendale, AZ
CRS, GRI, EPro Associate Broker

How buyers didnt see the fact that regardless of what you did to a condo conversion, you still have an apartment.

Jan 12, 2010 08:38 AM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

The above comment by Andrew is so true.....

    Condoconversion is still an apartment!!

Patricia/Seacoast NH

Jan 12, 2010 10:19 AM
Tom Hall
Coral Shores Realty, 1119 E. Sunrise Blvd., Fort Lauderdale, FL 33304 954-610-4186 - Fort Lauderdale, FL

I was working as an agent in Fort Lauderdale in 2005 during the condo buying frenzy and all the time I was thinking this can't go on forever. I know many agents that bought these properties because they were able to get in first, at the lowest prices and pick the prime units so even agents were so consumed with greed they coudln't analyze what was really happening. Unfortunately, this is what things have come to and it is sad to see.

Jan 12, 2010 11:18 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

This is just sick what we see all the time.  Doesn't sound much different other than you have water!!  We have the unfinished high rises and condo conversions.  I have a condo conversion listing and title is nasty due to all the liens and lis pendens from the HOA

Jan 12, 2010 11:59 AM
Eileen Hsu
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

Wow Katerina, that sounds pretty horrible down there at the Florida Condo market where the sellers can't even do much about their situation! I can't even imagine that someone pay over 10X of what it can be worth. So far, our Condo market here in Manhattan New York is picking up and moving along, there are some short sales on the market and I think banks are also holding some back in their portfolios for now.

Jan 13, 2010 09:08 AM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Eileen- SO when is the big day? I heard something through the grapevine:) 

Jan 13, 2010 09:56 AM