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Hey! Don't "take away" my rock!

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC BK607690

This morning, while sitting in my office doing my daily MLS Hot Sheet study, I noticed a new listing. In the first line of the remarks section it read "Front screen door does not convey". Now what the heck is that all about? You mean I can buy your house but you won't leave the screen door? Well OK then, I think I'll go look at one of the other 300 similar homes instead. Can you picture a Buyer or their REALTOR® reacting like that? I can.

As a listing Broker, I firmly believe placing "take away" remarks, in a listing, is a huge error on the part of the REALTOR®. It's my opinion that this is "taking away" something of value, from the Buyer, before they even have a chance to look at the property. Buyers do not like the "take away". It starts the entire home buying process off in a negative way. If the Seller does not want to leave the front screen door or anything else in or on the property, then they need to remove it, PRIOR to placing the property on the market. Remove it, replace it and get it out of sight.

The remarks in a listing should be completely positive...not false...but positive. No "take aways".

I met with a potential Seller, last year, who had a beautifully landscaped yard with many large rocks. I'm talking LARGE rocks. He and his wife collected these rocks from their travels in the mountains. They had emotional value to the Sellers but also added a great touch to their landscaping. The rocks really made the yard stand out. A potential Buyer would have been put off by the fact that the Seller was not going to leave them.

When I met with these Sellers, they spent about an hour with me, going through the yard, telling me which rocks they would leave and which rocks they wanted to "take away". Then they proceeded to tell me which trees they were taking with them. By the time they were finished "taking away" their beautiful yard would have looked like a land mine field. One of their biggest value adders of the property was the landscaping. Even though in their minds, they were figuring this beautiful landscaping into the value of their property, they were "taking away" what they had already added in. You just can't do that.

Well, I had to pass on that listing. I had no clue how to write all this up in the MLS. I guess I could have placed little red flags everywhere with signs attached that read "this doesn't convey with the house" but this would have certainly turned a Buyer off. Not to mention all the confusion at the final walk through trying to figure out if the right rocks and trees were left. What a potential mess this would be. So, I did the smart thing and took my services elsewhere.

Now, this was obviously an extreme case but I'm sure y'all run into these "take aways" frequently.

  •  "The chandelier doesn't stay."
  • "The ceiling fans don't stay."
  • "Oh no, the drapes don't stay."
  •  "The garage door opener doesn't stay."
  •  "The wife stays" Well....OK maybe not this one!

Folks, Sellers need to remove and/or replace "take aways" PRIOR to placing their property on the market. If the Buyer sees these things they will want them. These are attachments and are a part of the property. You can't start taking the house apart to sell it. If you do, your potential Buyer may very well take his offer away.

As listing Brokers, it's our job to make sure our Sellers know this. Don't just agree with them and add a "take away" remark in the MLS. By doing this you could be costing your Seller a sale. Or maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?

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Comments(58)

Fred Pickard
Fred Pickard Innovations Realty Inc - Hershey, PA
Hershey, PA

Bryant -

What's next. Seller want to roll up the lawn and take it with them.

Many years ago a friend bought a house after a protracted contract negotiation with the seller. Since he was relocating, he was living in a motel and a couple of evenings a week, drove by his soon to be new home.

One evening the seller was out in the front yard near the street digging up a decorative pole light. The guy was just going to cap the electric feed and forget about it.

The seller ended up having to pay a professional to reinstall it.

Jul 10, 2007 10:50 PM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Gooooooood morning everyone. Great comments!  I love Joan's tree, very funny. That actually brought up the issue of very large "potted" plants and tress used in the landscaping. Does the buyer assume they stay? Should we be sure to include or exclude these in the purchase contract? How about the concrete garden benches that you see? I had one that had a airplane propeller up on a poll as a windmill. What do you do with that?

This just shows how important it is to write a CLEAR contract so everyone understands what stays and what doesn't. Don't make assumptions. If you're not sure ask and then put it in writing.

Jul 11, 2007 01:31 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

One of the biggest blow ups in recent memory at our office occurred when a lady that we had her home listed took a chandelier  and some other light fixtures out, leaving just bare wires.  When the buyers came for their walk through they were justifiably upset.  My agent called the seller who started to rant about how the buyer's were stealing the property and how they didn't "deserve" the chandelier, etc.

I called her and she started crying and refused to bring the light fixtures back.  I explained that they had to go with the house, but she wouldn't budge.  The other agent acted like it was a giant conspiracy and that I should pay for the light fixtures.  

Eventually, we reached a compromise where I bucked up, the seller gave them a small credit, the selling agent bucked up and the buyer went to the lighting store and bought new fixtures.  It was weird though because none of what she took was anything special......the smell of the crowd!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

Jul 11, 2007 04:49 AM
John Evarts
Classic Property Management of Santa Clarita - Santa Clarita, CA
I think you are 100% right. Especially in a "down" market. But, even a "hot" market, it can usually mark a pain in the a$$ client! I say, give them to a pain in the a$$ realtor and let them enjoy each others company.
Jul 11, 2007 06:08 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Bob, Don't you hate it when that happens? I know I have paid for a lot of crap in my life to get deals closed. Oh well some one has to do it.

John, I like that idea! Together they can fight it out. 

Jul 11, 2007 09:03 AM
ARDELL DellaLoggia
Better Properties Seattle - Kirkland, WA
Isn't it like the cleaing lady interviewing for the job and the whole time telling you what she DOESN'T do!?  You can't wait to show them the door.  Sounds like someone who doesnt want to sell their house and no agent should write that stuff.  Get the darned door off and put it in storage if it's so important to you.
Jul 11, 2007 06:21 PM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA
It never fails.. clients who will accept thousands of dollars less then  list price  will bicker over a $50 floor lamp.. I always make them remove what they want and replace it with something else..
Jul 12, 2007 06:06 PM
Anonymous
Michael
I don't know about that. If a home owner has put in top of the line (tens of thousands worth of) appliances which are not built in and states that they will not convey and that a credit will either be given for appliances or new appliances which are not like can be placed, this is not at all out of line. Especially in a market like this, how is a home owner supposed to cook or do their laundry for weeks on end if they don't have their own appliances. So long as new, servicable appliances are put in, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not selling my condo any time soon, but if and when I do, my $4000 Miele washer dryer will not convey. I'd be more than happy to put in a decent Kenmore, but not leave them something that expensive. 
Jul 13, 2007 09:21 AM
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Leigh Brown
Leigh Brown & Associates, RE/MAX Executive - Charlotte, NC
CEO, Dream Maker - Charlotte, NC
I'm totally with you on this one-if they don't want to leave something, it needs to go away before hitting the market, period.  I've been in closings that degenerated over nothing more than a CEILING FAN that the seller didn't want to convey. 
Jul 13, 2007 01:42 PM
Ginger S
Wilkinson & Associates, Wilmington NC - Wilmington, NC
Wilmington NC Real Estate & Relocation~

Good post Bryant.  Agree.. If it's going it needs to get going, going, gone before the lisitng.

Once it is on MLS it should be a case of "What you see is what you get!"

Ginger

Jul 13, 2007 03:43 PM
Teri Eckholm
Boardman Realty - White Bear Lake, MN
REALTOR Serving Mpls/St Paul North & East Metro
Bryant--I put that all landscaping including trees, plants and rocks stay in my personal property addendum for this very reason...Good thing too. I did have one transaction where the seller wanted to take a retaining wall with him...My buyer walked.
Jul 14, 2007 12:17 AM
Lania DeMers
Rocky Mountain Realty Co. - Colorado Springs, CO
Broker, Rocky Mountain Realty Co.

I just closed a transaction that was bank owned, (my buyer was cash, so I didn't jeapordize a loan to make my point), but in the Exclusions section of the contract, I typed in, "Two dead birds on downstairs floor."
The bank did take the low ball offer and the title officer had fun with it.

I try not to exclude stuff, but sometimes it can be fun!

Jul 14, 2007 03:34 PM
Todd Clark - Retired
eXp Realty LLC - Tigard, OR
Principle Broker Oregon

Great advice Bryant,

To many times the argument at the closing table seems to be over that exact item. I actually had a closing earlier this year the sellers didn't want something included in the sale. The problem is they didn't tell the listing agent, me the buyer's agent or anyone else. They told my buyers as they handed over the keys that they were planning to come back and pick that up at a later time. What? NOOOO, it is now part of the house.

What was it that they were coming back for? A plumbing filtration system that was completely integrated into the house, that needed a plumber to be removed. My buyers said, I don't think so, they had paid for the inspector to check that out also and nothing was said during the inspection period or to the repair addendum.

The sellers contacted two lawyers and both of them said sorry, it is now the buyers!

Jul 14, 2007 05:15 PM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Michael I actually do NOT include washer, dryers or refrigerator in most of my listings. But there is a difference in just leaving it out of the MLS as opposed to stating that it doesn't stay. Now if you were not leaving the stove or were going to replace it then it should be changed out prior to listing. The point is don't put the take aways in the listing remarks. And you should replace anything that is an attachment, that is not staying, in advance.

Lania, that is too funny! I viewed a foreclosure several years ago and it must have had at least 100 dead birds through out!!! The were every where. When I had called for showing instruction the agent said I didn't really need any since all the windows were missing, "just climb in and have a look" 

Todd, I've had that happen quite often with storage sheds. The seller just shows up after closing and starts taking it down.

Teri, that's the best way to do it. Any doubts at all, place it in the contract.

Leigh, It's funny how the smallest thing can derail a deal. Especially in this market.

Well hi there Ginger. Thanks for stopping by. 

Hi Kaye, I almost lost a deal last week over an old fridge in the garage. The buyer wanted it and the seller didn't want to leave it. It was worth next to nothing. The seller fianlly got smart and left it. 

 

 

Jul 15, 2007 12:29 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

Awe Geesh...

I forgot all about those dead birds. Now that one was a trip :)

TLW...ROAR!

Jul 15, 2007 12:34 AM
Laura Warden Nordin
Century 21 Camco Realty - Albuquerque, NM
30-year Top Producer in Greater ABQ Real Estate
Bryant, I totally agree. If it doesn't convey, get it out of sight before the house goes on the market.
Jul 15, 2007 12:58 PM
Margaret Rome Baltimore 410-530-2400
HomeRome Realty 410-530-2400 - Pikesville, MD
Sell Your Home With Margaret Rome

Bryant, A little late to this party. You are so right..keep the positive in the listing. This Welcome stone was a house warming gift to the sellers but they will not take it to their new house. They feel that it belongs here. As you can see, I even photographed it and placed it on their listing flyer. Another good post!

welcome stone

Aug 27, 2007 04:49 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Thanks Margaret. I hope all is well with you.
Aug 27, 2007 10:20 AM
Nancy Webber
Coldwell Banker Atlantic Realty - Brewster, MA
Bryant, Good Lord, man, you make me laugh so hard I cry!  All this brings me to recall the 1988 Warner Bros. movie "Moving" with Richard Pryor and Randy Quaid... Talk about "take aways"! The Kitchen was GONE! Very funny flick that is still worth a watch when real estate has got you down! Keep up the funny work Bryant and I'll keep laughing! Thanks so much for good information thats delivered with a grin!
Sep 23, 2007 11:41 PM
Kory Benken
Keller Williams Realty - Lake Mary, FL
REALTOR, G.R.I.

Bryant,

Amen to this brother!  These people must not have been "AWARE' what has been happening in the markets for the past 2 years.

Now I must confess that my parents have a special tree (more like a bush) that they have moved 3 times with them but they pull it out, pot it and cover the ground with new sod before a buyer ever shows up.  The tree was planted the day my grandmother died so it's kind of hard to convince them to let go.

If these people love their rocks so much, maybe they should have rent a storage space and stored them while repairing their landscaping.

Good for you though.

Oct 08, 2007 02:56 PM