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Alexandria VA is a city that has made a commitment to "affordable housing".  One of the policy tools to achieve fair and affordable housing has been "Section 8 rent vouchers".

Section 8 was designed to make housing affordable for the poor and working poor. Sadly, I think the Section 8 program has worked counter to its stated goals, reducing the affordability of housing and at the same time increasing the number of people dependent on the government. Here's why.

As many already know in some neighborhoods, a high percentage of residents use Section 8 vouchers to supplement or pay rent. In these neighborhoods and in any investment in America, the value of the investment is a factor of the income that investment produces. Thus, the more income a property generates, the more money a property is worth. Section 8 artificially pumps up the amount of income that a rental unit produces. A high income producing property is worth more money than a low income producing property. Thus, Section 8 increases value and reduces affordability in the neighborhoods where Section 8 housing is prevalent.

It is not uncommon in Northern Virginia to find a situation where a tenant pays $25 to $250 monthly but because of Section 8 assistance the landlord receives $1800 monthly. Because the value of a property is directly related to the income of a property, that means that instead of being worth $35k to $70k, the same property is worth $200k to $400k. These rents and sales price are out of reach for working-poor and middle income folks.  They simply can't afford to pay the same the rent that Section 8 pays. Furthermore, the working poor and many middle class folks can't afford to buy at the price that Section 8 justifies.

Therefore, Section 8 hurts the economically-disadvantaged renters that would loved to own or rent a decent property close to the city.

Section 8 houses also forces workers to live in out-lying suburbs because it would be senseless for a hard-working poor to middle income person to pay top-rent for a neighborhood in an at risk neighborhood. This means that Section 8 also hurts taxpayers who have to pay for congested roads, because the working poor must live in out-lying areas.

Lastly, Section 8 hurts buyers and small-time investors because the prices in these neighborhoods are artificially propped up by the guaranteed Section 8 income. 

So, what would happen if there was no Section 8? 

Some Section 8 renters would be displaced. They would be forced to find housing that they could afford. That would cause hardship and pain.  As I know myself through personal experience, hardship and pain create motivation. Motivation creates opportunity. Opportunity creates wealth. Many Section 8 residents would be forced to disperse to outlying areas that they could afford.  This would break up poverty pockets and would weaken the influence of gangs and hopelessness.

If Section 8 were no more, the value of many formerly Section 8 properties would plummet.  That's because landlords and investors would bail out of a neighborhood where they can only collect $250 to $500 rent where they used to collect $1800 rent. That would hurt the investors who are highly leveraged in those neighborhoods and freeze those who could weather the storm.

When the prices in the neighborhood bottom out, groups of people such as the working poor, minorities and small-time investors would have a huge opportunity to buy in this neighborhood. Once these people started buying in the neighborhood, the neighborhood would transform from a bastion of hopelessness into a place of hope and opportunity.

Little guys could buy and live in property that is closer to the city and this would start a cycle of empowerment rather than a cycle of impoverishment.

Tell me why I'm wrong ...


Will Nesbitt About the Author --- Will Nesbitt is the principal broker of Condo Alexandria / Will Nesbitt Realty LLC. Will is a realtor who specializes in condos, townhouses and single family real estate in Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax County, Crystal City, and Kingstowne. Check with him for condos on the metro or for Northern VA relocation resources. Will resides in Belle Haven Estates just outside Alexandria VA in Fairfax County.
 
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10 Comments on What to do with Section 8 housing vouchers?

JAN
18
2010
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Will * thank you for this post.  I am re-blogging it to the property management groups as we have had several pros and cons on the program from property managers around the country...

10:28am • #1
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Thank you mam. We do property management as well, mainly condos in Northern VA.

10:34am • #2
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Will, not to diminish your blog but anytime I hear the term "Section 8", I am reminded of Corporal Klinger from M.A.S.H.

10:47am • #3
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"So, what would happen if there was no Section 8?"

   They would have to go on like the rest of us - work and pay bills and live within our means - how silly of me?

11:54am • #4
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Let's give a big HEE HAW salute to Corporal Klinger ... SA ----loot!

12:05pm • #5
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Will - I'm ok with values going up due to Section 8.  To me, the problem lies in the way Section 8 works.  I believe it should be to assist people in terms of housing; what you describe is closer to a full subsidy.  That's what I have a problem with.  Some years back I had a Section 8 tenant.  I received a check every month from Section 8 and I received additional funds from her.  She worked hard and paid her share.  The Section 8 portion was a little larger than hers, but it wasn't outrageous. 

I want to contrast that to a situation I'm familiar with that's going on right now in my area.  An individual is 'fully covered' by Section 8 to the tune of $1300 or $1400/mo. and that person to the best of my knowledge doesn't work.  What's the incentive for this person to find a job?  S/he has everything covered.  Section 8 needs to be set high enough to help but so low that the recipient is compelled to go out and work. 

Using your example above, if you are living in an area that commands $1800/mo, then your income will be high enough to afford a much higher portion than $200/mo.  Hell, Krispy Kreme on Route 1 will probably pay $10/hour.  That's $2000 gross per month.....I think one can come up with more than $200 for housing.  Section 8 needs to be retooled.

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Will I think one could use a similar argument with Medicare and health care.  If the government had never started Medicare hospitals would be a lot less expensive these days. 

4:15pm • #7
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I am a huge proponent of Section 8 - it's a super program and I have people close to me with disabilities who have Section 8 certificates. It certainly doesn't pump up property values in my area - in fact it's not at all easy to find a rent low enough to fit the parameters.

We used to have rent control - THAT was an indefensible program since individual property owners should not be expected to provide affordable housing. It is a collective responsibility for our society to ensure that all are housed. Section 8 fills that need.  We need increased support for Section 8 and many more vouchers.

Perhaps the rates need to be adjusted for your area if Section 8 rates are out of line with rental rates . I won't even begin to discuss your other points "Hardship and pain create motivation"? Please. I find that offensive in the extreme.  Congested roads?? huh?? There's a whole lotta finger pointing to be done on that point before you start tyring to lay the blame on Section 8 - that's absurd.

Liz

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Liz,

You write, "It certainly doesn't pump up property values in my area." Section 8 rentals are most often found in at risk neighborhoods where landlords can't get anyone other than the government to pay steady rent. You can say that if you want, but you provide no evidence or theory to back this statement up.  My theory is laid out above.  What is yours?

You write: "It is a collective responsibility for our society to ensure that all are housed. Section 8 fills that need. We need increased support for Section 8 and many more vouchers."  Honestly, this thinking is just flat-out foreign to everything that I was taught and that I known. Need has nothing to do with it. To quote the move, Unforgiven, "Deserves got nothing to do with it."

We need a lot of things ... but if we can't afford them, we can't afford them.  We're already in more debt than we can afford and you want to spend more money?! I honestly can't comprehend it. But I'm all in favor of it, so long as you don't take any more of my money. History has shown that Soviet-style economies based on "social justice" and "compassion" haven't seemed to work.

Why don't we just give everyone Section 8? Don't well-abled people need housing too?

For my part, I don't think that socialism or communism seems to solve problems, rather it seems to create problems (only a few of which I describe above).  Don't think me uncaring. I am very much in favor of charity. I'm very much opposed to reaching into someone else's pocket to fill a need I perceive. 

A good many working poor in Northern VA and Southern MD have long and extended commutes to DC Metro area because they can't afford to live close to work.  But those with Section 8 vouchers are entitled to live near the city? I don't understand why this is. Please explain how this is fair.

Lastly, what better motivation is there to work than hardship and pain?  I have worked my entire life as have those who have gone before me to avoid or escape hardship and pain.  I am happy for you if you have never known struggle.  I for one embrace my struggle as I know it has made me a better man. 

Will

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There are many sides to the issue.  I have owned many homes with Section 8 tenants.  I have seen a huge drop in the quality of tenant since the government sponsored mortgage mess started.  With the expansion of government, our Section 8 office was and possibly still is, staffed by previous tenants themselves, or in my terms, make up jobs.  The tenants are being told to go to every other agency to sign up for additional government benefits.  So a tenant that has no education(that is for another post), no skills, is being told that the government will take care of housing, utilities, day care, health care, transportation, etc.  The tenant then goes underground and works in non taxed jobs to pay for cell phones, cable, laptops, hair and nail care, etc. 

And the sad thing is that the tenant has no understanding of responsibilities of maintaining a home.  So just put the grease in the drain, the landlord will take care of it.  Carpet?  Sorry, don't know how to clean it, don't own a vacum cleaner.  The list goes on and on.

So in the end, there are winners and losers.  The winner is government that gets to expand and expand.  The loser is anyone that is trying to play on an equal footing.  YOU.

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