credit

Piecing together your credit can sometimes be confusing. That's why you should always seek a qualified loan officer that is a FHA Expert.

In all honesty, credit is not as difficult as it may seem and FHA has made it easier for you to qualify for your dream home. There are just some important facts that the average consumer needs to know.

Several key facts :

  • You don't need credit scores. No minimum credit scores.
  • Non-traditional credit can be used. 
  • Very flexible on credit issues when it comes to collections, charge-offs, judgment, and even liens.

What an underwriter looks for usually is good established credit in the last 12 months. This is not written in stone, but definitely helps. The beauty about FHA loans is the fact that your credit could be less than perfect less than 12 months while purchasing a house. It comes down to the reasons why and a make sense approach. We understand that things happen in life. But they do need to be documented.

 

 
Great assets of a FHA mortgage and the credit requirements

  • A Chapter 7 bankruptcy (liquidation) needs to be 2 years old from date of discharge. Less than 2 years depending on extenuating circumstances.
  • A Ch 13 can be 12 months out of bankruptcy while in repayment (not discharged), as long as you can show 12 months of payments on time.
  • Usually want to see reestablished credit with no lates after a bankruptcy. But the best part of this is that the underwriter at his or her discretion can overturn the time frame of a bankruptcy depending on if the circumstances were out of your control.

                    -- Death in the family

                    -- Loss of job(s)

                    -- Sometimes divorce --  not always, depending on the circumstances.

  • Consumer Credit Counseling -- sometimes viewed the same way as a Ch. 13 bankruptcy, guidelines are similar. The lender needs to see a 12-month payment history from the credit-counseling agency showing satisfactory payments and a letter from agency saying that the loan will not adversely affect the applicant's ability to repay current debts.
  • Foreclosure -- Generally 3 years must have passed. But the catch here is, we don't use the date when you went into foreclosure. It's 3 years from the date that the house was sold after it went into foreclosure. This is on HUD insured loans. There are extenuating circumstances and exceptions that can be made.
  • Delinquency or Default on Federal debt -- This seems to be overlooked by many loan officers. You can not obtain a FHA loan if delinquent or obligated on any type of federal lien. ie. school loans, etc.  The account would need to be brought current, paid, or otherwise satisfied. And a payment plan is satisfactory as long as it's in writing and that you have established some payments on time. 

 

What happens if I have no credit at all?

We call this non-traditional credit. Here is a list of things that we could use. But we would need some type of proof.  And we usually want to show a 12 month payment history on letterhead from that agency, store, or company.

  • car insurance -- showing your monthly or quarterly payment, how long, never late, how much a month.
  • utility bills
  • cell phone bill
  • repayment of loans or past debt -- doctor bills, collection accounts, etc etc
  • store accounts and so much more....  anything that can be documented to show a credit history on paper



Unique credit traits of a FHA loan that conventional loans don't offer :

  • At the discretion of the underwriter, collection accounts and medical collections can be opened. More times or none though, collections outside of medical usually have to be paid off.
  • Many say that if you have a lien show up on credit, that it needs to be paid in full. It depends on the type of lien and if it doesn't show up on title. Example : If you have car repo that is now a lien on your credit, as long as you have a repayment agreement and have made at least 6 months of payments on time, this is acceptable.

 

SummaryFHA loans can be manually underwritten even if it comes back as a refer. As long as we can determine decent credit risk, several things can be overlooked. But we would need compensating factors. 2 months reserves is usually a big one. There are others.

 

 

55 Comments on FHA Credit -- Understanding what works

JUL
12
2007
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Amen Brother -- Jeff I gave your post a 5 and I really appreciate your strong defense of this much malined loan program  I am a beliver and have put plenty of follks into a home that they were told could not ever qualify for.  Aloha
1:02am • #1
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Great Post Jeff, this is true... there are some FHA loans that go, that subprime wouldn't even touch!  we all know how much those rates differ.... Nice job on your FHA post

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1:15am • #2
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Jeff - Easy to see why you're so successful.  You have a great way of uncomplicating the complex.
1:22am • #4
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Bruce..... thank you sir and thanks for your service to our Country.  Have you talked to David Kucic who is a Active Rain member who is a 1SG retired realtor in Honolulu.

Also... small world. I use to work for Columbia National Mortgage who was bought out by your current company. 

In any case, thanks for those kinds words and the support.

Katrina....    I am still disgusted on how many people that were put into subprime loans that should have gone FHA. thanks for the compliment. 

Thesa....  I know you have clients that go FHA... thanks for stopping by. 

Marlene...  thanks for the polite compliments and for stopping by. 

1:36am • #5
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Definitely a 5 and a flag.  I am expecting to see more FHA as the year goes on.
3:36am • #6
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Jeff, I am learning so much about FHA loans from you. Keep us the good work.
4:57am • #7
Very good information.. I will save it for future clients.  thank you!
Scot Walker.. First Choice Real Estate, Houlton, Maine
7:25am • #8
Grfet post, I hope consumers and proffessional start looking to FHA again to help them complete the deals
8:16am • #9
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And about the ONLY program that will do high LTV financing for someone with a ZERO FICO SCORE!!!!!

Gotta love that old outdated loan program!!!  ;-0

8:38am • #10
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Randy.... you will see more FHA as the year goes on. Congress will approve raising the loan amounts. :o)  More loan officer's are waking up to it and so are lenders. It costs lender's money to start originating FHA mortgages. It's called a mini eagle or full eagle.  Which means there are lenders that don't do FHA.....   tisk, tisk.

In any case, thanks for the rating and for the flag. 

Missy.... my pleasure and I hope it helps so many consumers and realtors understand that if they have less than perfect credit, that FHA should be looked at.

Scot.... thanks for the polite words and for stopping by.

Paul....  As I have stated to Randy, there were more reasons why FHA wasn't looked at and it wasn't FHA. Thanks for the comments.

Tom B. ......   that is so true. There use to be one or two subprime companies that had a no credit score program, but that disappeared quickly. As you stated, no credit score with a high LTV of 97.75% and only 3%of the purchase price out of your pocket.

8:52am • #11
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JEFF !!!!!!!

 Super explanation. I'm finally getting you 'Mortgage Guys" to write in English :^).

A definite 5 from me.  Sound info on a program that has been recently trashed in AR as being.....'outdated' i think was the word?

Kudos.

9:16am • #12
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Stand with us an cheer for FHA!!!!!!!
9:26am • #13
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Hey Jeff,

You have been a huge help to start with, and now I have more FHA info, it's such a big help..

Thank you for giving us this info, it's always good,

Tom Weiss

10:22am • #14
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Great post, Jeff.  A few other goodies with FHA(not necessarily related to credit, but things conventional financing won't do): Manufactured Homes can be financed through FHA, 15 Year Loans at a 89.99% LTV or lower have no monthly MI, and there is no add-on to do a 95% LTV Cash-Out Refi.

 

10:29am • #15
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Thanks Jeff,

Tom Weiss

11:00am • #16
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FHA rocks and it'll only get better.   Can't wait for the revisions this fall.
11:37am • #17
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Looks like a mortgage convention in here for the most part. THANKS everyone... educating is the #1 game in town...

 

Rob....  ¿Qué, usted entendió realmente eso? ¿Yo lo dije en inglés?     LOL  

I only think something like this gets trashed because that other individual doesn't have access to that type of financing. And in some other cases, it's because that lender can make more money on another program, but it might not be that good for you. So, whose interest are they looking out for?  THANKS for the compliments.

Joe....  I agree...  it will catch back on as a great program. It always was, but so many lost site. And with the demise of the subprime market, it will actually force other lenders to utilize FHA. That's if they are smart and truly mean that they do care about their clients.

Tom W. ..... thanks for the awesome kind words... I truly appreciate that.

Michael.....  everything that you mentioned are great points. People just don't realize this and it starts with the lender or the loan officer. I really don't want that 95% cash-out part getting out to other lenders. That is so HUGE. And there are no penalties.. and Conventional goes up to 90% with cash-out penalties.  And you just gave me an idea about a client... thanks

Larry.....  yes, we will see higher loan amounts in the Fall... yippie..  thanks for stopping by.

11:50am • #18
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i love FHA.

just a suggestion on those using alternative references when they have no traditional credit.

i inform the realtors that i work with that i want the clients to obtain these references before they enter into contract. in some cases it may take up to 2-3 weeks to acquire a written reference after making the request.

also since in most cases i want 3 references along with the rental reference. i ask the client to acquire at least 4 in case one is not able to be used. 

5:14pm • #19
Write a great letter to the underwrited on why the borrower deserves to get a lona
5:27pm • #20
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Personally, I love FHA loans for the reasons you mention here.  Manual underwriting is HUGE.

One thing that Realtors should know- maybe to help their clients make a good decision-- is that not everybody is licensed for FHA.  If someone has bad credit and they call a mortgage company that doesn't do FHA (and their are a lot of them), the poor person with the 600 credit score gets a mortgage with a rate 2 or 3 points higher than need be.  I think I'll write a post about this tomorrow! 

Thanks for the great info!

6:14pm • #21
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Jay..... all you are doing is setting the table per se. Tis post isn't 100% of what you are talking about, but does have some merit. How do you set the table for your client?  At least you are being upfront and telling them what they need now and not later.  good job

Keith.... okay.....  I have done this a few times and my mind is frozen in what we call this. But what does that have to do with this?  I would write a letter depending on the whole circumstance.  And the letter?  Sometimes called a loan officer cert...  but there is a name for this.

Karen.... yes, manual underwriting is huge. And your second point is a great point also. I already have something for that to launch about tonight. Thanks for your input and for stopping by.

9:24pm • #22
JUL
13
2007
I agree, I have a clien that has no credit and the lender built credit for her through utilities etc....this is great for first time borrowers with gift potential from anyone.
1:06am • #23
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Jeff ~ This is a great explanation of credit when it comes to FHA loans.  You took a complicated issue and made it very simple.  Good job.
1:37pm • #24
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What a fantastic piece of work Jeff.  Thanks for putting all of that info in one easy to use place for me.  I sure dont know a lot about FHA loans (because my lenders do) but I always like to know enough to point people in the right direction.  Ultimately I leave it up to them and their lender but at least they know the option is out there.  Again, great reading and bookmarked for future reference.
2:57pm • #26
Superb information, Jeff. Concise and helpful. This is a 5!
5:33pm • #27
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18
2007
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Rob.....  this is 100% what is great about FHA... I am working on one right now, that the father needs to co-sign on the loan. He will be a non-occupant co-borrower. Most programs, the primary borrower still needs to qualify partially on their own. Not with FHA... I can use 100% of the co-signors income.

Leah..... thank you very much. I will have to admit that this came out pleasant and easy to read also. I guess it's easier for you and I to explain since we have been doing this for eons. But to put it on paper can sometimes be tougher.  thanks for the compliments.

Sondra....  I hope this helps some. Thanks for stopping by.

David..... thank you very much sir. And why should you need to know everything when you do have great, trusted lenders who work with your clients. Again, thanks for those kind words.

Alan...  thank you very much. I am glad that it was easy to read and most of all, to understand.

10:54am • #28
AUG
23
2007
Great insight, thanks for the info!!!
12:56pm • #29

Here here Jeff- thanks for the info. I actually printed this and handed it to every LO in our office!

Maybe there is a future in coaching??? 

 

5:47pm • #30

Hey Jeff,

You and I haven't seen eye to eye in the past, but this post is money.  Coming from one no b.s. guy to another...nice job.

 

Jim

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David....  my pleasure and thanks for the compliment.

Rob....  you printed it?  What about my royalty fees?  lol  Seriously, thanks. Coaching?  lol   I see why some people go out and give seminars and national classes now.  I love dealing with people...people buying homes. But I do appreciate the feedback, thanks.

Jim....   hey, us boys like to thump our chests sometimes. No problem. I do truly appreciate your kind words and for stopping. That means something to me... thanks 

7:34pm • #32
AUG
25
2007

great information Jeff

I will stay tuned in for your next topic...

9:08pm • #33
AUG
26
2007

Great post, Jeff!  I love FHA!  I especially like the fact the as a lender, I have to be licensed to do FHA loans, which means everyone isn't!  This is one way to weed out some of the fraud we've seen over the past few years.

I can't wait for FHA to raise the loan limits, and expand their guidelines, so we can originate more FHA loans again.

9:55am • #34
AUG
28
2007
Thanks for the post, Jeff: it was very informative, as always.
2:18pm • #35
This is a very comprehensive and illuminating post.  Thanks.  But I'm wondering, have things changed any since you wrote it in July?  The news is so bad about mortgages, and I'm wondering if FHA is followings suit. 
2:21pm • #36
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02
2007
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Jeff--- Great post!!

What about mortgage lates?  I saw a post on another blog where the guy said he got an FHA approval on a loan with 2x30. 

Could the overall strength of the file get the underwriter to ignore a 2x30 in your opinion??

Thanks!

12:11pm • #37
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Jeff, another good post - LOs and realtors do need to understand FHA
12:58pm • #38
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J.R.......  thanks for the compliment and hopefully more to follow.

Valerie.....  I totally agree 110%....  not everyone can do FHA and in my opinion, they aren't doing their clients any service. If you can't do their loan conventional, then their only option is subprime. And yes, I so can't wait until they raise their loan amounts.

James..... my pleasure. Thanks for stopping by and for the comments.

Patsy....  no, things haven't really changed in July. Yes, there have been a lot of changes in the mortgage industry, but not with FHA. FHA is strong and kicking. Thanks for your polite comments.

Aaron.....  mortgage lates. I could still get a 2 x 30 in the last year, but it all comes down to the LTV, income ratios, compensating factors, possibly the fico score, possibly reserves as a 401-k plan, and the reason why they were late. And possibly the previous history.

What's great about FHA is that even if you get a refer eligible  by the computer system, it can still be manually underwritten.  And then it becomes the discretion of the underwriter. It's a beautiful thing. And thanks for the kind words.

John....   Loan officers need to understand this more than anyone. What's sad is that not all who even can do FHA know how to do it correctly. And some are just lazy and use their sales approach or sales techniques to sell broken promises.  thanks for the compliment.

1:43pm • #39
SEP
19
2007

Very nice post, great info. 

I work at a bank and we are getting it back here soon. I think this will be the future for all of us and will also help out a lot of customers that are getting burned now with subprime.

10:31am • #40
SEP
30
2007

Jeff,

Is it correct that under the proposed "FHA Secure" guidelines lenders will no longer have to go through the "audit" process to become an FHA approved lender?  I was told by someone that under the new proposal, lenders will simply have to post a bond.

It makes me shudder, remembering all the mortgage companies that came into existence over the past few years when Dept. of Real Estate licensing was no longer required in California. 

Your thoughts?

Valerie

 

 

10:00am • #41
OCT
01
2007
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Jeff - thanks for shaing on FHA loans.  Look forward to hearing more advanced topics.
11:19am • #42
OCT
05
2007

Jeff,  

I submit my loans to DU and on a current loan, I believe DU is now applying a Credit Score Min.    If I look at the proposed MIP risked based premiums and the DU refer on this loan, it appears as if the 600 is the threashold for a REFER.   

My particular case has a 585 middle score, basically caused by a number of older medical collections.  My ratios are 25/39 and I have over 45,000 in reserves.   What do you think???    And, what ratios does the underwriter have to follow when approving a refer.     I have heard 29/41 and 33/43.    What have you heard???

9:37am • #43
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Eric.....   this should have always been the first choice before subprime. But yes, for many, FHA is making a come back, but mostly because those subprime programs were deleted making other lenders seek other programs. Kind of sad, when FHA was the better choice to begin with....at least in my opinion.

 

Valerie..... I am not 100% sure on this. I have heard both sides of the stories. Not sure if some of it is rumor. I know that you can get a sponsor from other lenders or be a sponsor, but I am not sure how it works. All I know is that my company is fully approved with delegated underwriting, which is the best out there. We underwrite everything in-house.

The FHA secure should not be any different when it comes to underwriting and what companies can do it. Now, I know that you don't have to be FHA approved to do the Reverse mortgages. Maybe this is what you meant?

 

Matthew R. ....  my pleasure. I am just finishing a post up on APR, which should be interesting.

 

Tim......    a refer can be manually underwritten which is the beauty of FHA. The ratios were raised many years ago to 31/43. The underwriter can make any decision as they want, as long as they can simply justify why. My first question would be in regards to the credit. Do they have 3 to 4 tradelines older than 12 months?  A rental history?  And how long of a job history. But with your ratios and the cash reserves and with some credit, this would be easily approved in my opinion. 

I know some of my competitors companies won't go below a 600. We will go down to a 500, because of our investors who we sell to. Hope this helps some. 

9:50am • #44

Jeff, 

I can get the underwriter's approval. 

Here are the details. 99 month perfect history on Mobile Home, 41 month perfect history on Car loan., 93 month perfect history on JCP account.   and a number of other older accounts PAA.    Did have CC with his wife that did go delq in 2003 that had a balance of 5,000.    Credit bureau has not updated since that time, but the borrower did pay off the account 6 months ago.     Maybe the larger charge off was the reason for the REFER.    But I did ask one of my processors and she said she has been getting more REFER than in the past.     That is why I thru on the table the that DU might have started a Min Score requirement for automated approval.  

10:02am • #45
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Tim... they change and or tweak the FHA system or DU system off and on. I am sure if will be tweaked more this year than any year because of what has happened in the market place. That is the beauty about having an FHA underwriter in-house that you can go to. And if you know most of what you can do prior to underwriting, this should always be beneficial to you and your clients. It's those that make promises on not knowing what they can do and then the underwriter denies the loan. 

Overall, it sounds like your have a very sellable  loan.  thanks

10:36am • #46
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Jeff, as usual great information.  How will the proposed FHA guidelines that indicate minimum credit scores change this.  The lenders that I've worked with here in California are very credit score driven, even for FHA loans.  In some ways, isn't the final underwriting investor driven because they don't want to lose their FHA underwriting ability?
10:58am • #47
OCT
10
2007
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The minimum credit scores are still far below what would possibly pass on a conventional loan. It is a good idea to price extra risk into the MIP because it will help make sure that the program remains solvent. I am a little worried that they will not fix the LTV issues which show up on the new schedule. Namely, requiring 5% down from borrowers with no credit score. I feel this will unnecessarily block out some deserving first time buyers and have sent a comment on this to HUD. (Although I do remember doing a lot of FHA loans when the down payment required was 5% minus $500 to use the quick formula)

I know the traditional line of thinking is that 100% financing is too risky, but I think that is primarily a subprime issue. FHA loans put a lot of emphasis on job stability and income that was never there on subprime loans, so I believe that going to 100% without having the increased sales prices generated by the down payment assistance programs would not be unnecessarily risky. We really don't need to make FHA into the "new sub-prime" as people say. There is a difference in that FHA underwriting requires common sense underwriting. The underwriters look at the patterns in people's credit reports and consider the explanations. They don't just arbitrarily overlook everything that happened before the last 12 months the way subprime lenders used to.

9:43pm • #48
OCT
12
2007
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Kate....  As far as I know, FHA still has no credit score requirements. Sure, there have been some proposed changes for next year. As it stands right now, many investors won't buy loans with credit scores under 500. I know a few lenders that won't do a FHA loan under 600. That I think is ridiculous. One of FHA's requirements is to have decent to a good credit history in the last 12 months. You could have had bad credit previous to this which would have lowered your credit scores. 

What are your minimum credit scores that the investors are looking for? In regards to what underwriters want and will take?  We underwrite our own FHA loans so I don't have to rely on an investor. We will take some risks, but being careful that we don't jeopardize our FHA license. ... our FHA DE...  delegate underwriting.

 

Carl.... yes, credit scores can be lower on a FHA loan than a conventional loan... usually. There are still some factors that a a loan approved FHA could still be approved conventionally, which a lower score. It can depend on the LTV or debt to income rations... assets can play a large roll also.

I do agree that no credit scores which would then make the client put 5% down, could hurt the whole FHA movement. Hopefully they can tweak this. In all honesty, I haven't really looked at the new propose changes yet, which I will do this weekend. 

Overall, I agree, there is more emphasis placed on job stability and income that subprime does not look at as much. Which is why I love FHA because of the common sense underwriting and not just go by a matrix. But there is a lot of fear in today's market place because of what subprime loans were approved which has put fear into HUD and FHA. There is some correction taking place, but hopefully it won't hurt us that much. Time will tell...

3:02pm • #49
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Great Stuff Jeff.  What I have found, and I shared this on another post, is that some LO's toss around "manual underwriting" like it will solve all the ills of a refer.  Essentially, using it as a marketing ploy. 

Your post was very informative and posts like this go a long way to clarifying FHA loans for R's and newer LO's.

Thanks!

10:28pm • #50
OCT
13
2007

Jeff Great Stuff.

I heard from a broker today that investors are ditching the 203ks.

Have you heard anything about this?

I know the paperwork is a killer but its a good program.(Especially the Streamline 203K's)

I think if the reform bill passes you will be Very Busy! 

 

 

10:11pm • #51
NOV
22
2007
Way to simplify the complicated!
8:22am • #52

Hello Jeff,

I am new to the Active Rain Community and came across your group and am vary impressed with the content. I too am a big fan of the FHA program and find it works well for the good and bad credit consumers. Just about every time I meet with a client my first thoughts are can this work through FHA. In my market place with the rising gas prices and lack of consumer confidence, consumers are in no hurry to let go of their hard earned cash due to a vary uncertain economy, which adds even more value to FHA. Keep up the good work.

Ron

8:38am • #53
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RICH.......  you make a great point about how some loans officers do throw manual underwriting around. I am working on one deal to where another lender had it first and the loan officer said the loan will not be a problem. It was a problem and they didn't close the loan.

Thanks for the compliments and that you enjoyed this. 

SCOTT J. ...... I have not heard a thing about this as of yet. There are 2 types of 203-ks and it's a great way to get a buyer into a home that needs some work done, or rehabbing the home.  I honestly don't see this program going anywhere. I would love to know where that broker got their information from.

SCOTT R. ..... thanks.... 

RONALD......  welcome to Active Rain and thanks for the kind words. FHA will always be there. It was just amazing on how many ran away from this, especially when so many started selling subprime. SAD... you make some good points. Thanks for your input and feedback.

11:47am • #54
OCT
13
2008
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good post.  there are many lenders that are starting to change their requirements on borrowers with no credit score, but FHA is still OK with it. 

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