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24 Comments on Do Lenders Have a Fiduciary Responsibility to a Borrower?
Bill,
I wrote this post and thought of you. I had pretty much figured that you would understand where I was going with this; and you did. Our problem in the industry is that there is no REASON for us to act as a fiduciary other than a sound business philosophy. I have often practiced the principles of UFMB but never thought to use an agreement to define my relationship as a fiduciary and granting me exclusive financing rights.
I love your rules. I will ask your permission to post them in our office. License. Client, Referral Source, Commission. (kind of has a ring like "Unit, Corps, God, Country", doesn't it?)
Good comments, Bill
Post them, discuss them, live them. Criticize them?
I’d be honored.
Personally I always wanted them on stone tablets, but my wife thought that bordered on sac-religious, my son though I was letting my ego get the best of me and our daughter said OH" DAD, I printed on cheap paper and framed them.
Feel free to use anything I post. I do have an envelope in front of me with your name on it and a new CD that stuff is copyrighted. You should have it by the middle of the week.
Here’ an extra "f" I couldn’t get the edit command to let me add it, so here it is.
Bill
William J Archambault Jr
The Real Estate Investment Institute
http://www.reii.org
Hey guys great discussion. Not sure how I missed all this discussion yesterday. Oh yeah, now I know, I was working. That work sure does mess up my day!
Anyway since I basicly work with Sellers I rarely if ever refer buyers to a particular LO. When I did do this, in the past, usually I gave them a few to chose from. Personally I have no desire to be involved in the loan process at all. It is not my area of expertise and I don't want it to be.
I had made a coment on Lenn's most recent post about how I agreed with her that there was no way a LO could have a fiduciary relationship with a buyer because they are selling a product. After reading this post and the comments from Bill, I think I may have spoken from a position of ignorance.
Why couldn't a LO have a fiducairy? I guess as long as you have several, and I am sure most have numerous, Lenders, that you are able to shop for your client this could definitely be done. The key would be in the disclosure and an underdtanding of where the compensation is coming from.
I will be pondering this all day today. Thanks for the stimulation!!! It was good for me, I hope it was good for you:)
Good comments. Bryant, as always, your comments are poignant. The link to the "Upfront Mortgage Brokers Agreement" defines exclusive agency for the mortgage broker and is clear on compensation and the avoidance of hidden compensation. Transparency is the key to the UFMG agreement. More difficult borrowers could be charged greater fees and easy, slam dunk (Fannie/Freddie) borrowers without MI could be charged a very small fee.
Tony: Speaking of fees for performance. I think it can and should be outlined in the agreement. Delivery of loan docs is often tardy because of borrower induced problems (not getting in the documentation, not disclosing credit problems or child support issues). There are occasions, (rare, but they do happen) , where we just blow it or a wholesale lender blows it. I think it is more than reasonable for the mortgage broker to assume those transaction penalty fees and have countless times in the past (ask anyone who worked for KW from 1999-2002 in the old Peoria location).
aaarrgghhhh.... I just spent 10 to 15 solid 15 minutes writing about this.... and since I was writing this from within my company's remote desktop.... I got bumped out of the system, which seems to happen twice a week. And no decided to do it now... I just typed my fruit and it froze. I could hit send...
Brian...I will have to get back to this later. I can't think straight and I am ANGRY. I had so many good points for both sides. I need to go collect myself.
Oh yes. Bryant? I did very little "work" yesterday as I pondered and discussed this issue. I am amazed at how one topic can monopolize your time and thoughts.
This banter, yesterday, provided me with an idea that I KNOW is relevant, the Upfront Mortgage Broker. I don't care much for the term and prefer something like a Fiduciary Mortgage Broker but the legal guys will help me with that this week.
If you want to be a leader in an industry, you have to take time to think about the BIG issues. Yesterday was a big issue day. Now I have to explain why I didn't work hard to my wife.
I have never seen a home sales contract that provided for lender initials or obligation to perform under the contract. Other than the wiggle-room writing on a Good Faith Estimate, I have not seen any lender document that in any way obligates the lender to perform in a certain fashion by a particular date.
it would be refreshing to see lenders have some kind of accountability in this process, but I really don't know how it come be implemented practically. When Realtors mess up, it usually comes out of our commission. When loan officers make a mistake, closing is delayed or doesn't happen at all with that lender.
It's easy to use the term "Fiduciary" when there are presently no requirements imposed on lenders and no accountability when the lender does not process the loan in an accurate or professional manner.
Dave: I suggest that you build that into your contracts on the addendum sheet. I would have no problem signing that addendum (if the borrower had performed)
Tommie: I, too, have held a series 7, 63 and 24 license. Many of the sharpest originators came from that background. We provide a "financial planning approach" to the business and have always treated our relationship as a fiduciary. Now we need to use the agreement that defines it so we can have exclusive financing rights (for a fee) and do our job correctly
Afterthought, Dave. YOU can create that fiduciary responsibility in your relationships with local lenders and on the contracts.
If you're representing a seller, require his/her lender to acknowledge a performance clause on the contract with specific penalties; you'll find out if you REALLY have a buyer who is pre-approved and will have put the performance on the lender.
I thought we all were in the business to help our clients. That in itself should be enough fiduciary responsibility without all the legal crap getting in the way. But for the many bad wolves in sheep's clothing, I understand the need for it. It is a shame that there is not some kind of uniformity in the industry as a whole. Realtors having, but lenders/brokers not.
Sorry for the late arrival on this one Brian.
I fully believe in the Upfront Mortgage Broker philosophy and I have been an UMB since I formed my own company in March 2004. The mortgage professor site no longer includes the listings of current UMBs. it has been passed on to the Upfront Mortgage Brokers Association (UMBA) now. Check out their website for more details and to find one in your area.
Also, Tommie and Brian's comments about the "financial planning approach" is another key step in the ficuciary capacity of the mortgage professional. I had my series 6 and 63 as well as Life and Health Insurance licenses and unfortunately let them expire when I focused on mortgages only. I will eventually go get them again, but right now I work with financial planners and insurance agents (the right ones for investment grade contracts), so I do not feel the need to get the licenses again, yet.
For the borrower's out there, know that most lenders, especially here in South Florida, pretend to be acting in your best interests, but really are lining their pockets in the process.
Brian, thanks for strating this post...
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Great Post Brian....As usual..I like your comment before about being the resident wise-ass. LOL
Congrats on the Carnival Brian!
I decided against it, William when I read more about Jack Guttentag. He supports government regulated fixed mortgage brokerage fees that is anti-competitive.
I now think that the UMB movement could result in higher costs to the consumer; I'm completely against that
I came across this thread while trying to do some research on fiduciary responsibility for mortgage brokers. Rather than write a bunch in a dead thread, please let me know if a more current one is runnning
Hot topic in WA state, as it is almost certainly to be enacted into law.
Have seen links to your blog at RainCityGuide.
Good stuff
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