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To all those economists, bankers, policy makers, media types, and NAR folks who are surprised housing sales are down nearly 20%:  DUH! 

Alex (Trebek), I will take the totally obvious for $1,000, please.

I hear all over the media today that you're all surprised that the housing sales have dropped?  REALLY?!?!

Here's why you should HAVE realized that this tax credit (and its spawn) will do NOTHING to increase aggregate sales, only pull them forward.

The home sales drop is a two-fold story: The Stimulus only rearranged sales (pulled them forward), it didn't increase aggregate demand.  This was expected and I am proud to say I called it back in June/July (just ask anyone who follows my blogging).

People are fearful to buy, which is understandable.  The tax credit pulled up sales, but did little to change aggregate demand due to:

•·         Perceived depreciation yet remaining in the market (which I agree with), causing buyers to hesitate

•·         Higher unemployment causing people to be cautious

•·         Tightening lending standards

•1.       Reduced M3 money supply (a large money aggregate indicator) dropped at record rates from July onward, inhibiting bank lending

•2.       Banks jacking up interest rates on credit cards, imposing increased minimum payments from 2% to 5% and jacking up interest rates on even A-credit consumers (from 10% to 30% in some cases).

•§  This reduces the potential home purchase pool by reducing the borrowing capacity of all consumers affected with a change to their minimum payment or interest rate. In short, the banks are self-eliminating a segment of highly qualified purchasers along with the risky credit risks. 

•§  Additionally, cramming down credit lines drops people's credit scores and turns good risk into poorer risk due to consumers' increased "percentage of credit utilization", even though outstanding balances are relatively static or are going down - as is the national trend.

Banks are cannibalizing their own markets!!!

•3.      FHA tightening their lending standards

Secondly, this is the MOST important point: THERE IS LITTLE TO NO LENDING FACILITY IN THE MORTGAGE MARKETPLACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SELF-EMPLOYED.

•·         Self employed people (doctors, lawyers, business owners - all who may be proprietors or S-corps or LLCs) comprise 20.7 million of the 155.1 million workforce, or 13% of the workforce over 16 years of age.  The 20.7 million is comprised of:

•1.       10.4 million true self-employed

•2.       10.3 million contract workers

•3.       Unless they have a W-2, the only way they will get money from a bank is at gunpoint, ask 99 or 100 lenders.

•·         So, there is 13% of the market that is just sidelined. Period.

•1.       Find a way to bring them back into the fold and the market demand increases 13%.  Even assuming only the top ½ of self-employed income earners qualify for the median (50% of the market) priced home, that's still a 6.5% increase in demand, which would offset the 17% drop stated in the following story in a meaningful way.  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/December-home-sales-down-apf-2729493334.html?x=0&.v=6

•·         Due to the paucity of jumbo lending, homes above $400k are stalling in the marketplace, at least in Denver.

•1.       This precludes the ability to move up, which will stall any housing recovery and put higher end homes at higher risk for being foreclosed, which starts a downward spiral just like subprime, but 4-5 times the financial exposure on each home.

•·         Just as an example, comparing home purchases (in Denver) prior to the crisis in 9/08 up until 12/09, (the most recent data I have at hand):

•1.       Homes below $200k - Sales up 14%

•2.       Homes $200k - $400k - down 13.5%

•3.       Homes $400k - $1m - Down 14.25%

•4.       Homes over $1m - Down 32.2%

•5.       So, all we are getting is a feeding frenzy around the median price point and below. But, there is no natural market expansion into higher priced homes, which creates a sustainable recovery.

So, it was reasonable to believe that the tax credit wouldn't STIMULATE demand, but merely REARRANGE it.

As people expect cars to depreciate right off the lot, The Cash for Clunkers program had a higher probability of sustaining demand.

•·         It took inventory out of the system - disposing of used cars (the equivalent of razing a home), so the numerator (demand) goes up and the denominator (available cars) goes down at the same time. For example, using simple fractions:  7/10 is 70% vs the increased demand, smaller supply 8/9 is 89%.  Same concept, larger numbers.

•·         Most importantly, there is little sense of value retention with a car in the consumers' mind, so the credit is an offset to the loss the buyer knows they will take the second they drive off the lot.  It just about breaks ‘em even.

Housing is different. 

I believe people - correctly - perceive that homes prices will soften further.  (Shadow inventories in Denver nearly double the available inventory on the MLS.)

Personally, I believe there is another 10% depreciation out there in the pipeline (which is somewhat off-topic). The point is that people expect housing to appreciate - even today. It's "ingrained" in the USA's DNA: housing is supposed to appreciate.

But it's not.  That's why strategic foreclosures (20% to 25% of foreclosures are now this type) are such a concern - people losing faith in housing having intrinsic, accretive value

So, why is it that housing is soft, despite record low interest rates?  People are short sighted and NAR has FAILED MISERABLY IN ITS LEADERSHIP AND INSIGHT INTO THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 

Here's what would stimulate demand on the margins (given we can't control the economy or Washington policy but once every two years), and, I believe would increasingly drive demand when momentum of the following were implemented:

•1.       NAR should be holding banks accountable through tracking how easy they are to work with in a formal Realtor-driven database, that the public can view.

This database should track: 1) Ease of business to facilitate short sales (if applicable) or ease of business for a non-distressed transaction, 2) Quickness, promptness, courtesy and accuracy to close per the terms and timelines of the negotiated contract by the CLIENTS, and 3) Client feedback about their experience with each lender.

As good lenders had their positive behavior reinforced with more business directed via the feedback, those good lenders would pull the poor lenders along -- or cause them to fail and get out of the market's way.

On a personal aside, it always amazes me that there is ONLY ONE CONTRACT PRIOR TO THE CLOSING BETWEEN THE PARTIES: THE REAL ESTATE PURCHASE CONTRACT!!!!!  Yet, banks act like it's an inconvenience and annoyance. AMAZING!!!!

•2.       A MEANINGFUL CAMPAIGN to educate buyers...more than "homes are affordable" is appropriate.  Seriously, what the hell does "homes are affordable" mean to the average Joe and/or Jane?!?!?! It's wimpy and indecisive...and data less.

Let me explain: What policy makers and NAR failed to convey is that buyers will save more from lower interest rates even if they lost another 10% on the value of their home in the short run. 

In short, the lower interest rates will save buyers MORE money over a 30 year loan than losing $20k, were the median priced home ($200k) to drop another 10%, or $20k. 

Locking in long-term money at historically low rates is the key to making/gaining a larger equity stake in a home!!!

Let me demonstrate what I term for several years now as "The Procrastination Tax" - the tax people pay worrying about the front end purchase price and ignoring the financing envelope in which the home purchase sits.

Let's use a home purchase price of about $200k, near the present median price in Denver.  Let's say that prices drop 10%, but rates jump from 5% to 7% when the Fed stops buying mortgages (which 7% is STILL historically low).

Someone who bought but at $200k with a 5% loan and lost $20k in appreciation (but later recouped it) from further market softness, BUT would have saved $92,506 OR $3,084 per year compared to someone who bought the same $200k home with a 7% loan OVER THE LIFE OF THE LOAN!!!!!  (see chart below at the end of this blog)

This short term vision for a long-term investment is what I call the Procrastination Tax.  Ya' snooze, you lose - even more!!!

Put a calculator on the NAR website for people to calculate their own "PROCRASTINATION TAX". When people see they are losing real money vs paper money (short term valuation), a portion of the more primed, educated, informed, serious buyers will move off the dime.  It works for me ALL THE TIME!

The general failure for this to be more promulgated - as opposed to a near maniacal fixation on the price alone - is what is suppressing aggregate demand in a self-fulfilling prophecy, in conjunction with the aforementioned problems. 

So, it isn't surprising demand is down.  Why would you prior to reading this blog?

Term of Loan - Increased Payments Due to Rate Change from 5%

Loan Size  $100,000 $200,000    
        12 36 60 120 360
Interest Rate Pmt per $100k Payment Based on $200k Loan Incremental Monthly Payment 1 Yr 3 Yr 5 Yr 10 Yr 30 Yr
5.00% $536.82 $1,073.64 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
                 
5.50% $567.79 $1,135.58 $61.93 $743.22 $2,229.65 $3,716.09 $7,432.17 $22,296.51
                 
6.00% $599.55 $1,199.10 $125.46 $1,505.49 $4,516.48 $7,527.47 $15,054.94 $45,164.81
                 
7.00% $665.30 $1,330.60 $256.96 $3,083.54 $9,250.62 $15,417.70 $30,835.41 $92,506.23
                 
8.00% $733.76 $1,467.53 $393.89 $4,726.63 $14,179.89 $23,633.15 $47,266.31 $141,798.92
                 
9.00% $804.62 $1,609.25 $535.60 $6,427.22 $19,281.67 $32,136.12 $64,272.24 $192,816.72
                 
10.00% $877.57 $1,755.14 $681.50 $8,178.00 $24,534.00 $40,889.99 $81,779.99 $245,339.96

 

Sources:

10.4 million
Number of self-employed workers.
Source: Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2009, Table 585 <http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/>

10.3 million
Number of independent contractors.
Source: Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2009, Table 588 <http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/>

 
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55 Comments on Housing Sales Down? Why would you think they'd be up? Seriously.

JAN
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2010
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"Banks are cannibalizing their own markets!!!"

Or, are they accepting the loss of mortgage loans at 5% for credit card rates of 18%??????

DAH!!!!!

2:40pm • #1
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Let's say 18% against $10000 of debt is $1800 per year (non-compounding, non-daily balance adjusted).

5% of $200k is $10k. 

The loss in terms of dollars is $8200 in favor of doing the loan, PLUS the house is collateral, the credit card is unsecured.

2:53pm • #2
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I'd like to make that a true daily double DUH!

My thoughts: 

And I hope you don't mind the link.  It's copyrighted charts, but a every picture tells a story, don't it?

 

3:21pm • #3
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Nice post and well put together.  Thanks for getting it out there today to us on AR>

Patricia/Seacoast NH

3:27pm • #4
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As a loan officer I totally agree with your analysis of why home sales have dropped.  I would add two other factors.  One is HVCC which has killed sales because appraisals are now coming in artificially lower.  Second is the new SAFE act which requires redisclosing to the borrower if the APR changes .125% has slowed closings down.  This will only get worse with the new GFE

3:27pm • #5
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PS.....I've bookmarked it for future reference. Or, to reblog.

THanks again!

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Michael, beyond the moving around of the credits high unemployment and uncertainty is the issue!
3:28pm • #7
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This is a great post Michael.  A lot of very relevant and important information.  The fact that you've only received two comments exemplifies just a couple of our problems here in America.  We ARE short sighted and we don't like to read.  At least not anything that requires an intellect greater than an 8th grader's.

The more I work in this business the less and less I respect the banks and anyone that works for them.  Rather than looking long term they are cannibalizing themselves, as you stated.  I have no problem with President Obama putting restrictions on them.  They've shown no proclivity to regulating themselves.  Left to their own devices they will cut off their noses despite their faces.  And them come crying to us to foot the bill for a nose job.  In my opinion there are several C.E.O.'s in the banking/finance industry that need to serve some jail time for what they've done to our financial system and the economy as a whole.  But we know that won't happen because they've got cronies on Capitol Hill.

Again, great post and best of luck to you.

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I agree with you about the early 2010 market being moved forward to the first 6-7 months ! We might all be able to vacation in August !!!

3:47pm • #9
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WHat?  But Obama is giving away FREE money!  The market should be up with all the people running around trying for their $8k and $6500 credits!!

Seriously, I've had just a couple of buyers actually care about the tax credit.  They're like, "if I get it, great, if not, no biggie."  With a mindset like that, the market isn't going up... though it's fairly flat in most of Austin.

3:50pm • #10
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Carla - No problem with the link.

Donna - I agree.  It's stimulative ONLY insofar as someone feels it's accretive to the purchase.  People are seeing the $20k drop in value, not the $8k or $6.5k gain.  The credit would make the difference if people felt homes will increase in value. 

However, nobody has shown them (Hint: NAR) what the average historical interest rate (close to 9% in the past 30 years) will cost them when it jumps back up. Shame on NAR.

Maybe if they ditched the blonde (who also schills youth cream and some other product on late night TV) and got a credible financial person Trump/Buffett or someone from the Treasury/FDIC (or, better yet, Billy Mays, R.I.P.) on their commercials it would make a difference.

 

4:07pm • #11
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By the way, the lady's name is Anne Marie Howard: She has appeared in over 100 commercials including Life Savers, the George Foreman Grill, Quaker Oats, and AARP.

Here's her webiste. http://www.annemariehoward.com/

She's accomplished, and I don't mean to diminish her as a talent.  However, we need credibility in the market, not just modeling. 

I like what Margaret Kelly is doing at RE/MAX, but where is the objective, third party to lend their credibility to the message?

4:15pm • #12
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I believe there may be one other factor...the lending practices of the last few years have sucked many of the "normal" buyers out of the market by giving them a 100% loan and getting them into a home much earlier than they would otherwise have bought one. Now that folks have to again actually save a downpayment before buying, we will have to wait 3-5 years for a return of the "normal" flow of buyers who are simply moving through the process as it always should have been.

Great post!

4:17pm • #13
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Michael - Great Post! Banks, NAR, Mortgage companies, other lenders and stimulus packages that have not worked for real estate sales, home sales, and market prices also have tremendous effects up and down the pipeline. Home inspectors for example struggle because not enough homes are bought and sold. Even lawn maintenance companies and many others are in trouble because of the same lame effects.

I truly appreciate your post and what I believe is your clear insight to the economic woes of our industry. I also appreciate your time and effort to explain at least some of the problems with the market. 

4:18pm • #14
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Your points on the changes and total lack of control of what the banks are being allowed to do to credit cards are very well taken and one of my big beefs at the moment. Creating a smoke screen penalizing people who are paying their bills for the purpose of not having to lend is reprehensible - and yes, you have to believe this is how they are offsetting those 5% interest rates.

I do need to say though, that while I greatly sympathize with the many areas of the country that continue to have ailing markets, once again the media throws out a national number that is enough to put fear into every soul in the country. It would be nice if they could possibly be a little more responsible when throwing out numbers like this by quantifying that real estate is localized - there are markets doing substantially better, and some that are doing substantially worse - but I know that's a pipedream. I, for one, am really sick of the generalizations.

In my market, the one county I work in has a 27.20% increase in the cumulative number of sales when comparing 2008 to 2009. Now what does that 20% drop being reported do to the few people who actually have positive numbers to look at - that's right - shutdown mode to an area that is improving. I certainly do what I can to educate consumers, but it's pretty hard to overcome the big message conveyed by the media.

Now pricewise, the best we are experiencing is some stabilization, but there are areas in the country where prices are modestly increasing - where are those numbers?

As realtors, all we can do is find the positives and work with them the best we can - very hard to do that right now.

 

4:32pm • #15

great work on the bolg post.  i would add that hvcc and the new 2010 gfe will cause problems as well.  The GFE for 2010 is supposed to create transaparency. IN my 10 years of doing loans I can tell you this might be the worst attempt I've ever seen.

4:36pm • #16
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Great information- a lot of which I wasn't aware of yet (no loans for self employed?) Does that mean that even Realtors could NOT  buy a house now?

5:00pm • #17
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Susan:

Regarding your area, I agree with your post: All real estate is local, sometimes microcosmic.

However, I was endeavoring to point out the drop month to month vs. year to year.  In Denver, we are only JUST at prior historical years' levels. Meaning: without that stimulus, the market would likely still be cruising around 20% down.

The larger issue is that stimulus - like a heart shock - is intended to induce activity.  The larger market issues referenced in my blog are major inhibitors.  As such, DEMAND was not increased, it only pulled future sales to present month (or really last month). 

It's like real estate: In Denver, 58% of business happens between April - September.  42% of business happens between October and March.  Demand increased, because some of next years' sales got pulled into 2009 from 2010, not because aggregate demand grew.

And let's remember with 4.5% to 5% loan rates, we should be selling 10 million homes a year (an exaggeration for effect).  Seriously, homes are practically being given away and they aren't moving.

So, I appreciate your point, but the overall demand - in aggregate - is not up. 

5:02pm • #18
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The way one would need to qualify now is to set up as an S-Corp or C-Corp, pay yourself a salary (W-2) - which has detrimental tax consequences vis a vis staying as a pure S- or C-Corp.

No W-2. No loans. 

It's not a universal rule, but it's probably close to it. 

Any lenders feel free to chime in and put yourself out there on this blog, so we can move some homes.

 

Michael

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Liked your post.  Well thought out and things I didn't know. I learned something today.

5:06pm • #20
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Great post Michael.  Thanks.

5:10pm • #21
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Michael really good information. It is inline with many of the perceptions that are out there.

5:15pm • #22
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VERY informative - thanks for spelling this out so clearly -

I have not noticed home sales being up other than the tax credit bracket...

5:38pm • #23
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Great post. 

But if rates go from 5% to 7% prices should drop 20%.  A payment on a $200,000 loan would only support a $160,000 loan at 7%. 

But if you minimize your closing costs and go with a 3.5% FHA loan, your downside is limited even if that happens.  The other big reason to use an FHA loan is the assumability.  If rates rise, assumable loans will be very valuable if you have to sell.

5:57pm • #24

Michael, what lenders are you dealing with? While I'm not in Denver, Scottsdale, I do self employed loans all the time. I am a broker, I use 2-3 wholesalers that require last 2 yrs 1040's, possible P&L. The issue with self employed most of the time is that they make a lot of money, but hide/don't report most of it, so they can't qualify. But I disagree with your blanket statement, that no W2, no loan.

Great post by the way... I sat in a Realtor meeting last Friday, and a title company was giving a presentation about the recent sales. He was living in la la land, basically saying things were turning, all was well, and business will be booming soon. What is they say about statistics ??

6:06pm • #25
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Tim:

I partially agree.  Assuming all else is fixed, you're right. Higher interest rates = less home you can buy with the same income.

However, if one accrues equity, one can overcome that...allegedly.

But in today's market, people are upside down in a big way (see chart: http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/info-NEGATIVE_EQUITY_0911.html)

Great point, Tim!

6:09pm • #26
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Mike:

I would put your link out there on this blog for people to contact you.

I am hearing 5 yrs financials req'd, P&L (which is obviously "tax friendly") and, sometimes, two appraisals on the home, particularly when the home is over $400k. And I am hearing 20% -30% down.

You're right it's a blanket statement about no W-2, no loan. However, I would say that most S-Corps peel off a bonus driven through a W-2, rather than "pay themselves" consistently, which obviously disqualifies them unless they are printing money or buying a Tough Shed to live in.

I personally object to them being called liar loans. They have a place in the lending world.  

The problem is most lenders cannot read a P&L, are too removed from clients, and will only adhere to conforming loan guidelines -- which I should have specified in my post.  

I presume your loans have been non-conforming. So, there is a higher interest rate, and more effort to get the loan done.  I mean, most lenders can't even read a real estate contract, ascribing the ability to read a financial statement is like asking them to solve the mysteries of cold fusion.

I am seeing that it's now taking 60 days to close most loans, where it used to be 30 or less.

When I was on a radio show about 2 years ago about the subprime market, I even said: It's stupid banks would just give money out without vetting out. Now, it's gone too much the other way.

Please do post your contact information.  If your lender is solid, people should be told about them.

 

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I am not surprised either.  In Phoenix we also saw sales increase at the under $200,000 price point.  Anything above the FHA limit was down quite a bit.  It created here trouble for many move up buyers since they could not sell their house with values declining.  Denver did not experience the huge surge in pricing we had here so you are lucky it did not take your market upside down.

6:27pm • #28

Michael, I couldn't agree with you more and appreciate your discussion of aggregate demand and think it's an excellent point. I just feel compelled to have a come back for the media, not your points, which have been very thoroughly presented, who insist on making generalizations, perpuating the negatives. For me, the media presents frustration at every turn and today's numbers are not exactly what I want to hear as I try to impart the true local picture to my clients.

 

6:33pm • #29
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Great Post.  Anyone have their credit lines clipped by American Express?  I've never missed a payment to them.  Not even a late, and they cut my limit by more than 1/2.  I'm sure this had an affect on my FICO score.

6:39pm • #30

Michael,

Well done and a great reminder of the basics underlying real estate financing and decision-making.  It is also a reminder that I live in a bubble of sorts.  Our region's home sales are up over 60 percent this past Dec. vs. a year ago (yes, sixty percent).  The median sales price is far higher than the national average and the total population of the region is about 200,000 or so.  The tax credit pretty much doesn't apply here at all except in a few sub-areas.  What is surprising to me is that the average selling price for the region (South Bay, CA outside LA) was almost the same both months...

6:51pm • #31
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Geoff:

It's funny you mention American Express...

I won't put all my personal information up here, but I have a similar situation as yours. I have heard folks who paid off their balances and been given a $200 credit line!  AMEX, Chase and BofA are the biggest abusers.

I am in the process of putting together a social network, called http://www.BankAbuse.com . I would love for you to sign up and encourage others to sign up to post their horror stories.

I've only just put it up and am starting to socialize it.  I really like the call to move your money to credit unions.  Though I am not a populist, I think this has just gotten out of hand.

In my MBA and undergraduate programs, I heard we had Anti-Trust laws to keep companies from being too dominant (as in, too big to fail). I may have been asleep, but I thought the following were supposed to help ensure competition:

  • Sherman Antitrust Act
  • Clayton Antitrust Act
  • Robinson-Patman Act
  • FTC Act
  • Hart-Scott-Rodino Act
  • Merger guidelines
  • Essential facilities doctrine
  • Noerr-Pennington doctrine
  • Parker immunity doctrine
  • Rule of reason
  • As for the AMEX situation, I wrote our Attorney General.  So, let me see:

    • I whack your credit line (though you are a great credit risk)
    • That bumps up your credit utilization
    • That drops your FICO score
    • Then, that triggers your universal defaults clause in your credit card agreement

    So, it's self-interested destruction of cardholders' FICO scores, to do a claw off with higher interest rates on your remaining balances.  Nice!  

    Anyhow, the bigger issue is how this affects clients. What do you do when a client starts off at 750 FICO, then gets jammed with lower lines, then drops to 720 or goes from 725 to 715?

    THAT'S where the real abuses are here. 

     

    7:05pm • #32

    Thanks for the graph!  That is pretty sweet.

    7:15pm • #33
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    Tony:

    I think Manhattan Beach - always popular - is kind of an anomaly.  Conforming loans are much higher, as are wages. 

    I am sure beach real estate - much more restricted in supply - would have different demand elasticity, with it being more inelastic. (For those not economists, that means one can raise prices and there is no appreciable drop in effective demand.)

    You really can't have the substitutability of a beach home with a home in Pacoima. However, a home in Pasadena, is not too dissimilar from one in La Canada -- commute aside. So, within LA, the general principle holds. 

    If I am off-base, please correct me.

    So, I get your point, but for the supermajority of homes that are substitutible, it's a different scenario.

     

     

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    Hmm? Very interesting . Good points about the self employed.
    7:41pm • #35
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    Great points here, Michael.  Especially agree with the part about banks cannibalizing their own market.  It's crazy that people who have been very responsible with their credit can suddenly be penalized by a bank's arbitrary decision to reduce the available credit (thereby increasing the ratio of credit used to available credit).  It seems almost criminal.

    7:49pm • #36
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    Excellent piece. Buyers are very conservative right now, and justifiably nervous. The rules have changed in banking, credit cards, and employment. These buyer incentives motivate some buyers, but the numbers are not going to improve until we have better employment numbers and a financial system rooted in reality. All that said, people still need housing and it is a good investment over the long term.

    7:57pm • #37

    You are absolutely spot on about the self employed. Don't forget about the zero liquidity in the Jumbo market either.  Why the government can't seem to get a grasp around the problem is beyond me.  You and I could solve the problem if we could get them to "listen".  I have blogged about it, written the legislators directly, posted on their blogs, and shared ideas about the problem and the solution.  Solutions exist.  The machine is broken.  Find Minneapolis Homes at my website.

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    Michael,

    What a great post. Thank you. I really enjoyed reading it!

    9:16pm • #39

    On a parallel note, now we have those check cashing businesses everywhere. The rates of return for them are over 400%. How the government can allow it is beyond me. I guess if your dumb enough to use them, then so be it.

    9:20pm • #40
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    Hard to argue with facts, I'm going to re-read this, lots of good stuff here.

    10:20pm • #41
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    The only self employed who can get a loan today are those who actually make money.  The lender is actually asking for documentation and income verification.

    10:28pm • #42

    Carlos B, 

    Proud to say that Oregon took a stand against Pay Day Loan/Check cashing places.  Capped the maximum interest they can charge at 36%, still disgustingly high but better than 500%, yes, 500%!.  Many disappeared overnight!

     

    http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/p2006/press_042606.shtml

     

     

    Leigh (potential buyer in late 2010/2011)
    10:37pm • #43
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    Frank:

    It's not what I am seeing. I had an attorney client raking about $210k per year.  Passing expenses - appropriately - through his business. He was leveraging the S-Corp for all it was worth on a tax basis.

    However, he only kicked a small boot to himself at the end of the year. 

    800 credit score (790 something).

    Couldn't get a loan, even was putting 35% down.

    Here are articles of varying vintage that would indicate differently than you indicate:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122818315556971151.html

    http://www.mainstreet.com/print/13283

    http://www.bankrate.com/finance/mortgages/mortgage-rates-and-refinances-are-up.aspx

    So, far I have only heard one person say they are seeing/doing self-employed purchases. 

    Those articles range from Dec 2008 until Dec 2009.

    And, you know, one can CASH FLOW, while losing money.  There are non-cash expenses that create a tax loss, while generating cashflow -- like depreciation.  Most bankers think that depreciation is when somebody doesn't like them...and appreciation is when they do like them.

    So, I hope I hear you saying that making money is cashflow, not necessarily P&L profit, though they may coincide, they can be mutually exclusive.

    Smart business people create maximum revenue while showing minimum income.

    The perfect business? One that shows zero profit and pays zero taxes.  (Unless you have tons of investors to spin off dividends to.)

    11:08pm • #44
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    our area saw increases... but it was only "less bad" than the previous year.  In other words, still verrrrryyyyy SLOOOOOOOOOW!

    11:32pm • #45
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    WOW thats some great info,  thanks for the breakdown of the home price sales.

    11:48pm • #46
    JAN
    26
    2010
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    Amen!  If banks could get on the same page as we are on, it might be a whole other world out there.  Let's hope they catch up sooner rather than later!

    12:13am • #47
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    Michael,

    Interesting reading. Self-employed and jumbo mortgage borrowers make up a good chunk of the market and without them a true recovery can't start.

    12:15am • #48
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    Esko:

    And they are a meaningful amount of the higher end buyers, too...they need the home office deductions.

    I see a double dip, mostly because the M3 money supply is dropping like a rock.

    Take a look at this chart (M3 - which the Fed stopped doing a couple of years ago, but is re-aggregated by private researchers):  http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply-charts

    Now, see how they correlate to the unemployment chart: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

     

    12:49am • #49

    I can answer your title/question:

    Because 100% of my buyers lost their deal in the last 4 months offering 3% less than asking price on non-foreclosed or non short sales.

    Because 93% of my buyers lost their multiple offers deal in the last 4 months offering 100% asking price on non-foreclosed or non short sales.

    Because 34% of my buyers lost their multiple offers deal in the last 4 months offering about 5% MORE than asking price on non-foreclosed or non short sales.

    Roughly, this actual strong SWFL seller'smarket is stronger than the 2002-2006 golden years for me...

    5:52am • #50
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    Wow. Great post. Well written and filled with the numbers/stats that I love to read and absorb.

     

    I ran our local numbers and 2007-2008 we saw a 21% drop in dollar volume. 2008-2009 saw 18.5% drop. I don't think we're flattening yet either.

    7:59am • #51
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    Outstanding information. Sales will not increase until the pool of borrowers is larger, and I don't see that happening anytime soon. I'm with you on the stimulus, but until they cease with the draconian underwriting I'm just fine with pulling the buyers forward. That is the definition of stimulus. 

    8:03am • #52
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    It is facinating tome that the banks tried so hard to get into the real estate business when they were consdiered successful and they were shot down on that and other request. The some clever banker figured it out, we can get more by being a failure than by being successful. They became to big to fail, they squandered our money, and now we are laying down with the lion. I think we are about to be eaten. Workers of the world unite.

    9:33am • #53
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    I had a $13,500 credit line at AmEx cut to $500 last year after I paid the card to zero.

    I paid 2 Bank of Am cards to zero in 2009, and both cards were cancelled in their "risk management" moves. I used one of those cards for business expenses--run it up, pay it off, consistently.

    As a small business owner, they are killing us by eliminating our access to cash. "Risk management" will put many small businesses out of business.

    A local steel producer just closed its doors and put 40 people out of work, when the bank pulled its line of credit. They had orders lined up and no money to buy the raw product with.

     

    10:43am • #54
    JAN
    27
    2010
    1 Featured Post

    Great Article.  I am not sure why not many people understood the impact the tax credit would have.  I wrote a blog about it today.

    Aaron

    1:47pm • #55

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