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61 Comments on We need to ABOLISH FHA Loans!!!!
I must say that this is one of my favorite pieces I've read from you, Jeff. Abolish the FHA? Catchy title, but a ridiculous assumption if that's the answer for those who truly take that stance.
Frankly, and I've told you this, it worried me when FHA was picking up a large percentage of the cake and the ones baking that cake weren't even familiar with Conventional Lending to begin with. I think FHA has a market share. I think Conventional Loans have a Market Share. I even think there is a Market Share for Sub-Prime lending at the right LTV's and more appropriate (read>>>not competitive with the best rates on the Market as they once were) pricing risks attributed to risk-based lending.
While I'm no economist, Lending has become an instituition that makes about as much sense now as it did when it was handing out 6% Interest Rates on No-Doc Loans. One extreme to another. In my short time here on earth and the time spent in the industry, I learned that extremes (any) can be bad for the health.
It gets down to pure politics and why the program was designed to fail. If you raise the standards you are going to lock many voters out of the market. When this happens prices will decline for a time. Everyone was happy to take a cut till the bubble burst. Look at who is in charge when the bubble was building at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The companies are bankrupt but the stock is still on the NYSE. How can this be.
MY GOD, how do other countries survive without programs like FHA, VA, Freddie, Fannie, Ginnie?!?! How do they do it?!?!?! They must be so envious of the USA;O)
Look at Germany, Sweden, etc...healthy economies yet lower home ownership rates.....hmmmm...maybe home ownership isn't what it's all cracked up to be....
Spot on and I hope you submitted this to my outside blog. With all the BPOs I do guess what type of default is rearing it's ugly head. YES THE HUD HOME!! Haven't seen a whole heck of a lot till now but the cycle is starting. FHA brought sexy back in 2007 and now we are seeing 2007 loans default because they are, yes you guessed it, upside down!!
Jeff, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Franklin Delano Roosevelt will do more to cure the housing market than Barack Obama. FHA was his baby.
Some tells me I'd have a heck of a hard time finding someone in RE (realtor, lender, etc) who believes in free market economics.
90 percent of my business is FHA or USDA right now. Conventional is a dinosaur!
I believe that FHA has a good place in the mix. I don't agree it should be abolished. The borrower has to qualify properly and the information must be provided correctly in order to get the loan. I see this as a good thing. What I think really trashed real estate were all the liar loans promulgated by the mortgage brokers. Really, I saw it all the time. And that lead to the overflatting of price which has led to FHA problems. IMHO
Now what was the original intent of the FHA? Our country's problem lie deeper. But the housing /mortgage industry Tis an integral part of it so it is reflected here. I think the biggest problem lies in our Banking and Legal Systems. There has been a major heist, and the fat cats are tossing mis-directions at us. Why haven't they been arrested? Freddie, Fannie, and FHA....they should all be spared. Reform, yes, but not abolished. Let's start be getting rid of the Federal Reserve and open up an American National Bank. Let's Get Rid of the current Election Finance Laws and Let's start over.
FHA, VA, USDA, Fannie, Freddie..... Guess they all have to go (kidding).
We are in a different market these days and it is not a buyers market, it is a lenders market. Who owns the market makes the rules and looks like they will all be changing
I wanted to thank everyone for their comments… I will try to get to each one of you sometime today… but I did want to make a reference to comment # 54, because I think this comment was spot on and some of the answers could be scary.
C. Loyd states.... "There has been a major heist, and the fat cats are tossing mis-directions at us. Why haven't they been arrested? Freddie, Fannie, and FHA....they should all be spared. Reform, yes, but not abolished. Let's start be getting rid of the Federal Reserve and open up an American National Bank. Let's Get Rid of the current Election Finance Laws and Let's start over."
Overall, there is a lot of truth in his comment about the Federal Reserve and why it was founded in the first place. I am reading this book... I am not finished with it.... but if anyone of you get a chance, please read : "The Creature from Jekyll Island".... by G.Edward Griffin . This actually might scare you more than your greatest fears... thanks & I will be back later..
Jeff, a very informative post with some great comments. FHA loans are used a lot in my area...I absolutely agree with Lenn's comments...and we should ALWAYS be careful what we ask for.
Jeff,
Great post. Thanks for all the facts instead of rhetoric. I have always been a fan of FHA. Most of the homes I have sold (with borrowers using FHA) were to working class people, who didn't have the highest paying jobs, but loved their children and wanted a better life for them. Knock on wood, none of my past clients are losing their homes due to default. I wish some of our senators and congressman would read these activerain posts and get in the real world! We have people making decisions who don't know squat!
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In our part of Rural PA, if we don't have FHA financing, and USDA backed loans, we're screwed.
Jeff... great work in tying multiple factors into the equation. There are so many moving parts to the economy now, that you cannot make adjustments in one are without impacting another. FHA still has a place in the market, they just have to go through the pain that we are all experiencing.
You had me at the title.....I knew you didn't mean it because I know you.
Your the FHA guy on Activerain.
I heard they got a blank check on December 31st. Is that not true?
JAMES.. comment # 29 ... . I think many of us can say that FHA is being used a lot. And yes, fear is huge. I personally believe that even if you have 20% to put down, that you put as little down as possible. Just so many unknowns out there now, even if you think your job is stable. Now, I would still work all the numbers for the client, and go over their options. On a FHA mortgage, even if you put 20% down, you still have monthly mortgage insurance for 5 years. And even if you got rid of mortgage insurance on a conventional, it still depends on your pricing hits and such, just to get a conventional mortgage. Just more things that loan officers need to do for their clients.
MICHAEL... . who is that question to? But I will answer it from my own point of view and I will be writing a blog about this today. Putting an additional 10% down, depending on credit scores and such, might not drop your mortgage payment as much as you would think... even if you lose the monthly mortgage insurance. I know this because I do these types of numbers daily. and I will be writing about it. thanks
LEIGH... . comment #32... . I am not going to disagree with some of your statements. But you have me confused, because some of your comments point to that getting rid of FHA would be good and having it around is a must. You talk about the fact that it could lower prices if not around, but if not around, that are market would suffer. And then in your last comment, #32, you ask me a question if prices would go down. I will say this.. yes, many of those no docs and stated income loans helped push prices up some. But there were many other factors than just that. You could point the fingers at 4 different things. Overall, my whole point to this post is if FHA would disappear tomorrow, we might as well kiss are butts and the real estate market goodbye. thanks for adding to this..
LEIGH... . you had stated this.. "I'm just asking that people take more responsibility...asking too much?" I agree.. many people don't take responsibility, even when things were going good. You again bring up some excellent points. Many things that I could talk about. But part of what I talk about is to not only educate the average consumer and realtor about mortgages and real estate, but that is to possibly get business.. helping these borrowers directly. Not sure if you have subscribed to my blog.. but please do so.. Not today, but in a few days, I will be writing about how even good loan officers have hurt us. And when I say good, I am talking about ones that claim they can close a loan and give very good rates. That is great... but when the borrower is still not educated on the types of mortgages and or that the loan officer has not gone over the borrowers goals and explain on how refinancing works , etc, etc.. this is another major issue.
In regards to your other statement about people putting 30% to 40% down... that just won't happen in 98% of all cases. Yes, there are more cash buyers now than before.. but these are usually investors that were smart... and have the money to gobble up houses that have dropped in prices. Thank god for some of these investors, otherwise our market would be more in a tank. In regards to some other great points that you brought up, about the average American and their 401-k.. another excellent yet scary topic... I agree.. it's scary... and maybe home buying should not be the main focus as so many put out there. But it should come with education..and it really doesn't. Who does one trust when getting a mortgage? Just because the loan officer gives you the best rate? In my opinion, hell no... and I will tell you why in my blog that I will be writing on Saturday, about this and what I mentioned above. thanks again for your excellent feedback.
AARON... . comment #34.. . I am going to semi disagree with you... a better score is not always the answer. Stricter underwriting guidelines won't change a lot of this mess, even if we had it before. Even putting 5% down wouldn't have stopped the bleeding... or even slowed it down. My main point and focus to this was unemployment. There have been thousands of families that even put 5% down and qualified easily, that have now lost their house and or face foreclosure. Yes, there were many bad loans from 2002 - 2005, those COFI arms and stated loans, when loan officers inflated the borrowers income to make the deal work.. we could be here all day on this. We both will agree though that FHA loans are an essential part of our market today.. thanks
MIKE... . comment # 37.. . is Richard Smith trying to do what's right for this housing market? Or maybe trying to make a name for himself? Or has an agenda? I see many that sell theory and other things out there, in this real estate market, scary to me... I am leery and careful. Manly because they make it sound easy or that it makes sense. But they don't give their reasons as to why. They skate around those issues. Hence why I am leery of people like Richard. Please, ask Richard why it really would matter if someone put 5% down? I still haven't heard direct statements to this fact. All I keep hearing is that people would have more skin in the game, and that it could help. It could? An extra 1 1/2% down? Here is the reality to that argument of his... if I lose my job and I am the primary wage earner in my family, what do you think will happen with my house in a few months? As I mentioned to Leigh above, in one of my comments.. I will be writing about this on Saturday, if I don't do this tomorrow. Some of these messes come down directly to the loan officer and on how they educate borrowers. I will get detailed with this in that post.
Overall.. these small numbers that you talk about don't mean much to me. Look at VA loans and USDA loans. They allow for 100% financing, yet their default rates are lower... I am not sure how much lower. And I would bet that USDA's numbers climb some since it has become more popular in the last year. Which is one of the points that I made above, in my post, that FHA mortgages have increased buy like 30% in the last 2 years. That and with bad loan officers, underwriters, and more jobs being lost, these are the reasons to why more FHA loans are defaulting. People have been putting 2.25% to 3% down on FHA loans since I have been in the business in 1992. FHA has been around since 1934... why is there such a problem now, with having more money down and harsher underwriting? I will say this again.. a very bad and unpredictable economy.
About 3 years ago, I spoke with 3 borrowers in one month, all who had gone conventional with 20% down... all 3 were going to walk away from their house because of financial reasons. This is huge and not talked about... and part of the reasons some walk away is because their house is upside down, under water... they don't care about the lost money, even if it ws 20% down. Overall, I am just trying to make some strong points to the fact that you have some of these.... I will be nice.. these people pushing for a little more skin in the game. We need to fix the larger problem at hand.. Jobs.. unemployment.. economy.. making things more affordable... IE. food such as milk, eggs, and so many other things that seem to get lost.. thanks PS.. I am not singling you out with this loan comment to you.. just the fact that it's long, I didn't want it to be lost in the other comments.. thanks
I think your getting my comments mixed up w/ someone else's. I am not asking for 30-40% down. And I'm not sure where you are thinking that I'm for FHA, maybe FHA with higher dp's and higher credit scroes, yes. I don't think 10-20% is asking too much. I think what realtors and mortgage brokers fear is that if lending is tightened as it well should be, there will be less folks in the market which will drive prices down which will mean a smaller commissions.
Just think, if prices came down for the average family, that $10K in savings goes a lot further when you are talking percentages. My little downpayment grows percentage-wise as prices drop and drop they will in my area.
I always chuckle when somebody says the homebuyer should have more skin in the game, or the reason for the market collapsed was because of all of these bad buyers who didn't have to put enough money down etc... Having a normal person, that puts now 3.5% down on their first home/condo, decent job, average credit score, even if the real estate market went down 5% they are still going to pay their car payment, pay their bills, pay their mortgage etc. They are not going to walk away from their (to them) New home. They have to live somewhere. YES, there are exceptions. Right now legislation and talk seems to revolve around those exceptions, the 15% that are NOT normal, responsible people. FHA is not perfect, but what is? It still works for those that need it and I still think the good it does (85%) far outweighs the bad (15%).
Thank you