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I wanted to do a follow up on my $25,000 mistake post and present another example straight from my seminars.  This topic is titled "A Tale of Two Brothers" and shows the different ways of thinking and the benefits of adapting to today's rules of money.  In fact, it is an adaptation from the book, New Rules of Money by Ric Edelman.

Brother A                                                            Brother B
Believes in the "Old Way" -                                               Believes in the "New Way" -
paying off your mortgage                                                  Carrying a big, long mortgage
as soon as possible                                                               and keeping it

15-Year Mortgage at 5.875% APR                          30 Year interest-only loan at 6.375% APR(1)     
$100,000 Big Down Payment (20%)                        $25,000 small down payment (5%)
$0 left to invest                                                    $75,000 remaining to invest
$3,348 monthly payment                                       $2,523 monthly payment
 (57% tax deductible first year/33% average)            (100% is tax-deductible for the life of the loan)
$2,983 average monthly net after tax cost(2)           $1,690 monthly net after-tax cost(2)
Sends in $200 extra each month with mortgage        Adds $200 monthly to invesment account, plus $1,293
 payment in an effort to pay mortgage off sooner      saved from lower mortgage payment, earning 6.0%(3)

Who made the right decision?

Results After Just 5 Years...

Brother A                                                                                 Brother B

Received $33,976 in tax savings(2)                         Received $49,955 in tax savings(2)
Has $0 in savings and investments(3)                      Has $205,330 in savings and investments(3)

What if both brothers suddenly lose their jobs?

Brother A                                                                                 Brother B

Has no savings to get through the crisis                    Has $205,330 to tide him over
Can't get a loan - even though he has $210,532       Doesn't need a loan
 in home equity - because he has no job
Must sell his home or face foreclosure because        Can easily make his mortgage payment even if he is
 hecan't make payments                                          unemployed for years
At this point he must sell quickly, possibly at a          Has no reason to panic since he is still in control -
 discount, then pay real estate commissions                remember - Cash is King!

Results After 15 Years...

Brother A                                                                                  Brother B

Received $60,517 in tax savings                              Received $149,866 in tax savings(2)
Has $51,832 in savings and investments(3)              Has $618,249 in savings and investments(3)
Owns home outright                                               He has enough savings to pay off $475,000 mortgage and
                                                                            and still have $143,249 left over!

Results After 30 Years...

Brother A                                                                                  Brother B

Received $60,517 in tax savings                              Received $299,732 in tax savings(2)
Has $1,092,503 in savings and investments(3)          Has $1,951,434 in savings and investments(3) 
Owns home outright                                               Never plans to pay off his home - he enjoys the liquidity,
                                                                                                      safety, tax savings, and investment returns too much!

The above hypotheticals are for illustrative purposes only.  Plans vary based on the needs and wants of the customer...
(1) This example is based on a 30 Year Interest Only loan at 6.375% APR
(2) Assumes a combined federal/state income tax rate of 33%
(3) Assumes 6.0% rate of return on investments.  Rate of return may vary based on type of investment.

Hopefully this will help clear up some other "myth-conceptions" about mortgages.  There are many different strategies like this, and this one may not apply to your situation.  What it does show you though is that you must seek a certified mortgage plnning specialist (CMPS) designated professional in order to ensure you are receiving the best loan for your unique situation.

Please feel free to leave a comment or contact my via my website or email.

 

32 Comments on A Tale of Two Brothers

OCT
14
2006
257,765 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Great examples will share with our favorite mortage lender too.  We could do the same for real estate sellers and buyer examples of pricing and showings...love the idea
2:54pm • #1
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Please feel free to pass them on and let me know if I can be of further assistance.  It is truly amazing what seeking a certified mortgage planning specialist can do with your mortgage.

If you want, refer to the case study blogs I did a little while ago to see how I helped a client on the path to creating over $3 million dollars by "harvesting" their equity.

3:01pm • #2
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awesome comparisons! Wow, I;ll be sharing this with some folks and look forward to going back and reading more of your blogs..
3:14pm • #3
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Thanks for the comments Michele.  I am glad to see they are being read and people are receiving benfit from them.
3:20pm • #4
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Robert.....  lol  You beat me to the punch.... Even though I am not a CMPS.... I have been practicing these certain examples 2 years after I got into the business. Back in 1994, I think I was one of the few people that actually changed my card to the title of "Mortgage Consultant", not loan officer.  The HR person at my 4th company that I went to work for at that time....around 1997.... questioned what I wanted on my card, as I filled out the paper work in front of her. I tried explaining on how I treat my clients. Now, this is not exactly what you have been taught, but I think I was wat ahead the regular loan officer. NOW... if you look at cards, you will see Mortgage Consultant. I am not trying to take credit on this.... but I still have all of my cards from my previous companies. I would love to see if this title was out there at that time or prior to this.

Anyhow...is everyone still awake from my comment?  lol  My whole point....I was just starting a blog on what you wrote about. Yours probably would have been a little better.... but we would have been on the same page. I am glad that I saw your link to this blog in your comment, from my blog... lol.

Overall...great information and examples.

3:29pm • #5
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Jeff,

Sorry I beat you to the punch.  Amoung mortgage planners, this is a fairly well known example, although I like to change the numbers around from time to time for fun.  I will hold off on posting anything similar so you can throw in your hat, OK? <lol>

Maybe we can even start a competition on these types of posts.  Are you up for it Brian?  Karl?  Just kidding. 

I am starting to get busy again, so I am not sure how much I will be on AR this coming week.  Hopefully enough to keep the posts coming and commenting on the great jobs others are doing to contribute to the community.

 

3:41pm • #6
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Wow,  I must be on a roll!

I just noticed another gold star, this is awesome and thanks to the one who gave it to me.  Was it you Jeff?  Or someone else? 

Inquiring minds want to know....

3:43pm • #7
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My Mom is a CFP and she has been advising clients to do these types of things as long as I can remember. The funny thing is most people are to afraid to have that mortgage. But they have no issue having a huge car payment or two.
4:11pm • #8
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Very good point Ken.  Your mom is an exception to the rule from my experience and the experience of most in my field.

Tell her to keep on doing it (and if she knows people in FLorida, send them my way...lol)

4:23pm • #9
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Why would anybody want to stay the way things use to be. Common lets move on to the new and better

Robert thanks for showing us the new.

4:37pm • #10
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Susan,

You are welcome.  I am glad to see the mlog is shedding some light.

4:40pm • #11
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Strong information but if the first brothers fico is high enough he can NO DOC and still get a great loan :)
5:19pm • #12
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The scenario has nothing to do with documentation, it is strictly comparing 15 year fully amortized versus 30 year interest only and the key is that Brother B is disciplined with the savings and invests it in a conservative side account. 

I wonder how many readers noticed that the side account's rate of return is actually lower than the loan's APR. (6.00% rate of return vs. 6.375% APR loan)

5:32pm • #13
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Hey Robert--That is what I want to do--be "Brother B"  What I want to do is find a rental property that will pay for itself (even with using a management company) and give me some profit (doesn't everyone?).  It is scary stuff for someone that was taught to pay off your home.
5:40pm • #14
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Leslie,

I know it is scary stuff when you have been entrenched in the old ways.  It is a different, better way to look at a mortgage now that the rules of money have changed.  Try it for yourself, maybe you will like it.

5:43pm • #15
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WOW this is amazing. truly eye opening. work harder doesnt mean it's better. work smarter is!        THANKS FOR SHARING THIS!

cheers,

cindy
hello@staged4mroe.com
iheartstaging.blog.com

7:05pm • #16
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Robert,

 Is this from the World Leadership Group presentation, "Harness the Power of your Mortgage"?

Is your company part of WLG?  I'm curious to hear about them.  I've been contacted by them a lot but I never understood why I would cut my split to 30% for productin. 

7:57pm • #17
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Cindy,

I am happy to help.  If you need more info, just ask.

Brian,

No it is not.  I am my own entity.  I have seen their presentation and I don't agree with part of it, but for the most part it is OK.

My presentations last 15 minutes up to 2 1/2 hours (for CFPs looking for CE credits).

I have never been contacted by WLG, so I cannot comment about using them.  I wouldn't give them 30% by any means though.

If you decide to go for the CMPS designation, the CMPS Institute will give you the PowerPoints to do some of your own presentations as well.  I am on their Speakers Bureau for doing those, plus I have several others as well.

10:16pm • #18

Very interesting information.

Jay and Linnea Hanley

10:43pm • #19
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Did you get this powerpoint from CMPS institute?
10:52pm • #20
Good information and a good post.  Thank you.
11:38pm • #21
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NO DOC is simply a customers alternative if they have employment issues. I understood the post and clients arent aware that no doc is available if theyre qualified.
11:45pm • #22
OCT
15
2006
275,914 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Do you have a spreadsheet so we can do what if scenarios?  I think I need to spend more time reviewing this....
10:28am • #23
This is really a great posting - I leave loans to my mortgage expert. 
11:26am • #24
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I like that. THe point is to save on the interest that is what kills you. There is nothing like owning your home free and clear.
12:28pm • #25
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I cant wait for your next comparison , you should develop one in reagrds to the benefits and disadvantages of a neg am loan
12:40pm • #26
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Sorry for taking a half day sabatical from AR guys, but i am back.  OK, here goes my responses...

Brian...This particular presentation is not from CMPS, it is a compilation of a lot of books, other presentations and case studies.

Eddy...first - thanks for the nod doc clarification for the people reading.  second - I did a little bit on the neg am/Pay Option ARM in a case study in a previous blog.  I will do another one that is a better example of how good they can be when properly utilized (key word...properly)

Suzanne...I have a combo of programs and spreadsheets and do not limit myself to one thing.  Also, I cannot post the spreadsheets to run scenarios.  One is I need to keep my edge...lol.  The other is, if you do not know how to use them, they are difficult to understand for the most part.

Christine...owning a home free and clear is not the goal.  The goal is to increase liquidity, safety and rate of return.  Later down the road, if you want to pay off the mortgage you can, but you may not want to depending on your situation.  This comparison shows that most Americans go about paying off their mortgage the wrong way.  There are better ways.

I can show you a great vehicle that grows your money tax free, that you can create your own personal banking system with, and is litigation proof.  That's another blog.

8:26pm • #27
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Robert must say you have me wondering about the litigation proof vehical to grow money tax free. If you remember send me a e-mail when you post that to make sure I don't miss it. Real estate agents are always open to litigation and it's nice to protect yourself.
11:03pm • #28
OCT
16
2006
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Ken...I will try to remember to zap you an email when I post it.
7:32am • #29
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Cool deal i will be waiting neg am financing is the most important to be explained.............
11:25am • #30
DEC
16
2006
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Robert,

Sorry I missed your post.  Excellent spin on that age old classic that I've seen presented a number of times.  I'm really starting to wonder who told or wrote that original story.  I've seen Ric Eldeman give the example in one of his books, I've seen Duncan, Marshall, and Savage use the examples in their programs.  I've seen WFG agents go bonkers with the example.   I guess it's one of those classic "Oh man, I just didn't look at it that way before" type of examples.

Thanks again Robert!

3:52pm • #31
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Karl,

Yes, Ric Edelman used it is his book, The New Rules of Money.  I believe it was Rule #21 if my memory serves me well.  Duncan, Marshall, Savage and others do use it a lot and I use it (a variation of it anyways) in most of my seminars as it really does drive the point home.  There are plenty of other examples, like the $25,000 mistake that Douglas Andrew hit on in his book Missed Fortune 101.

There are a few other good books out there that I like, also I am a member of the Financial Planning Association, so I read their magazine every month.  It has a lot of good stuff beyond the mortgage that we can take and apply.

Thanks for the comments!

6:06pm • #32

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