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Florida is number one in the nation on mortgage fraud. And we are seeing it in front of our faces day in and day out. It is bad. And it is negatively affecting our business and our communities. I guess that I have been lucky that I never had any smelly proposals made directly to me. However I see the signs of mortgage fraud all around me most of the time.


For example, as I was preparing a CMA I noticed there was something weird in the Miami Lakes neighborhood I was researching. There was a home that had been listed for sale on the MLS for about a year and a half and then it was shown as expired. The original asking price was about $800,000. There were various reductions along the way, and the listing price eventually went down to $ 600,000. The house still didn’t sell. Then the listing expired. I was going to use this listing as one of the properties that “didn’t sell”, when surprise, surprise, I find it in the public records listed as “sold” only a couple of months after it was shown as expired on the MLS.  The sale price?  $ 900,000!!!


That price in this market??? I don’t think so. I believe there is something smelly about this deal. I told my buyers why I was not going to use this property to value theirs, even if it was the latest sale in the area. I showed them all the information, including the whole MLS history for this property. The sellers also concluded that something was wrong with that sale, and agreed to list their home at a realistic price. I guess the price was right because the home sold in just five days! I was happy and so were the sellers...

all the way to the bank.

 

But those inflated prices can mislead real estate agents and owners into placing a much higher price tag on a property than its true market value. Believing there are real buyers out there who are paying these prices, many sellers overprice their homes, and as a result, their homes don't sell. The sad reality is that many of these deals with inflated prices involve shady cash backs at the closing table that the lender is unaware of, so they are  illegal.

 

These kinds of deals are distorting the real estate market by pushing listing prices up when in reality we are in a depreciating market. It’s economics 101. Each month the ratio between active listings and pending sales is a higher number than the month before. That combination brings prices down because there is simply much more offer than there’s demand. And then when the property doesn’t sell at the overpriced listed price, the sellers blame the realtor for not doing enough. The inflated prices that result of these fraudulent sales feed sellers fantasies of selling at unreal prices and also distort CMA’s and appraisals. In the end, true buyers don't even bother to look at these overpriced properties!

 

Many times I have also seen the signs of fraud on the MLS itself. Recently I found three properties that had been listed for some time. Then they were listed by this broker (the same one in the three transactions) who miraculously sold each one of them for a price that was much higher than the previous listed price. I am talking about a difference in price that ranged from  $80,000 to $ 150,000 higher than the previous listing price!!! By the way, each one of these three properties also showed that they had been sold for the exact same price as the listing price. Coincidence?

Is this a case of a realtor with superpowers?  I suspect otherwise.  I smell a rat!            


So even for those of us who have not been confronted with mortgage fraud directly, the fight against mortgage fraud is played out almost every day. I can’t directly accuse anybody without real proof (I guess being there at the table and seeing the money exchange hands?). But I attempt to show sellers all the evidence I gather and let them draw their own conclusions. Also, just in case they get tempted with another realtor’s proposal, I point out to them that even if they don’t get a single extra penny out of the deal, participating in a transaction that gives the buyer any amount of cash back that the lender is unaware of is always illegal and can have dire consequences to all involved. 


In one of the various seminars I’ve taken lately on the subject of mortgage fraud (now it seems that everyone is finally aware of it!), the presenter was very optimistic about stopping fraudulent mortgages for good, and she told us the FBI was here in Miami in full force. She said: “the FBI is going to get the bad guys!”  Just a few days later I read an article in the Miami Herald about (guess what?) mortgage fraud. The article mentioned the FBI “ is not investigating the complaint because it has only two agents in its Miami field office working on mortgage fraud.” Only two agents to deal with all the cases here in Miami?! This article left a bad taste in my mouth. Is the government serious about stopping mortgage fraud?  I am really fed-up with what this type of crime is doing to our communities and our business, and it doesn’t seem to me that the government is doing enough to stop it. Tell me, what do you think?


 

20 Comments on I am fed-up with mortgage fraud!!!

JUL
13
2007
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Number 1 huh?  Wow, with that frightening statistic, it must be extremely hard to earn an honest living.  Especially with that $900,000 property, you have to wonder how many dirty hands are involved.  Appraiser, loan officer, underwriter?  With so many people you can hold accountable, I guess it's still possible to slip through the cracks.  Good luck with that.  I see my share of fraud in my market as well.

Regards,


Chris Molina, Realtor®
Elk Grove, CA

9:32pm • #1
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10:49pm • #2
JUL
14
2007
Thank you Chris for your comments. And yes, the statistics are frightening. Sometimes they are even depressing! I'm sorry about the way my post is presented. I created paragraphs, but somehow the formatting was lost. It is very difficult to read as it is. I have to learn how to do this. This is the first time I post in my blog.

Mike, thank you too for welcoming me. There is much to learn about blogging, and I just wanted to vent with this post. Have to learn about formatting and embedding links, adding pictures, etc.. 
12:30am • #3
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I'm fed up with it too.

Just remember, Although try the legislators will, You can't legislate morality.  We need more enforcement for the current laws on the books. Adding additional laws, increases paperwork and bogs down commerce. 

5:03am • #4
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Griselda,  First off Florida is not number one in the USA for fraud.  However we are in the top 3.. So that is not good.  Miami is one of the worst in the Country.  If it does make you feel any better about a month ago the FDLE raided 20 mortgage companies from Orlando South to Miami. 

What I believe is a bad mix is when you have this combination... Realtor,inhouse mortgage comany along with the inhouse title company.  The temptation becomes to great...

Mortgage Fraud gives everyone who really takes their job seriously and not looking for the easy buck a bad name.

Welcome to A/R by the way.

7:47am • #5

Griselda,

I also see many "questionable" active and sold listings through our local MLS.  A mysterious increase of $50k in the list price a week before the property goes pending is a current trend that I see, in hopes that an underwriting guideline is somehow tricked? 

As an appraiser, I sometimes get a bad rep and called a deal killer when I report these situations on the appraisal or when I avoid using the questionable/private sales for comps.  I report what I see and almost become a private detective in some cases trying to get to the bottom of why the property sold so much higher or lower? Thoughts that mortgage fraud would decrease given the abundance of recent media attention...but it appears that if there is money to be made, fraud unfortunately, may thrive.

Just curious...how many appraisers call you on your closed listings in your market?  If they are not calling you, the other agent, or the broker to check on the details, they should be!

10:02am • #6
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just flat out refuse to do business with the frauders! eventually they will be left outside by themselves.

just say NO to fraud! 

11:15am • #7
JUL
15
2007
Bill, I agree that more paperwork is not going to prevent mortgage fraud. What we need is 1) more involvement by everyone, and the willingness to come forward when we see instances of mortgage fraud 2) an FBI with more agents and capability to investigate these allegations and follow through if needed. As we stand now, many people are discourage about coming forward because they know nothing or not much will be done. 

Matthew, don't know where you got your information, but according to the papers I was given at the last two seminars I participated at (through my local Realtor's Association), Florida was listed as number one in the nation as of June 2007. Also, here there is a link to CBS4 
(http://cbs4.com/consumer/local_story_171082427.html  -  Sorry but somehow I'm not able to add a hotlink to the text, the link icon appears dimmed and doesn't work- but you can copy and paste the link I'm copying here).
This is one of our local TV channels, and as you can see they also list us as number one. However, I don't think being number one, two or three is a really important matter. It must be bad when we are at the top! 

Robert, yes, I'm being called by appraisers. Actually, on the transaction that had the neighbors' house sold for $ 900,000, one of the appraisers who called me ask me about that, if I knew anything, because these deal didn't go through a realtor, and I gave him the information I had from the MLS, and let him draw his own conclusions.

Yes Jay, but we have to be careful because these guys are getting more and more sophisticated. I guess we have to keep up with their schemes so we don't get involved and are able to identify them.

 


10:30am • #8
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Griselda...

First of all... Atlanta and Georgia have taken the cake for #1 for the past several years.
Second... the news is sensationalist... there are truths out there but they do not get paid to report boring news like "We're #3"

Matt makes good points - collusion is the main reason for mortgage fraud.

Miami has a long history of fraud due to the mix of money, greed and poverty as well as outside shady influences.

Appraisers are probably the worst part of the equation because they should be the check and balance against a mortgage broker and realtor combining powers to influence this... but you find the right appraiser, title person, etc and there's $100K extra on the line, I'm sure there's money in there to make them affect their karma.

This is not a sophisticated scheme and that is why it is so hard to track.  Technology makes it less complicated every day.

Third... Matt understated the raids... there were 20 LOCALLY arranged raids.  FDLE and local Sheriffs actually entered into closings and arrested RE Agents, Mortgage Brokers, Title Closers, Buyers and Sellers!

It is up to the people who have ethics and who are trying to keep this industry on the up and up to stand up and force that element to stay at bay.

10:54am • #9
David:

Your information is outdated. Georgia "was" number one in mortgage fraud from 2002 to 2005. But in 2006 Florida got the dishonor of getting the number one spot from Georgia. 

Georgia was actually "demoted" to the number 4 spot. After Florida came California and Michigan as second and third. 

You can look up this information distributed in May 2007 by the MORTGAGE BANKERS ASSOCIATION at the following link:


This is the pdf version of the report researched by the Mortgage Asset Research Institute of 2006 activities, and it's the latest report released by  the Institute in April 2007.  

1:55pm • #10

David,

I have to respectfully dis-agree with your comments "Appraisers are probably the worst part of the equation because they should be the check and balance against a mortgage broker and realtor combining powers to influence this... but you find the right appraiser".  There are many appraisers out there that I may consider "bad apples"...but I see a similar percentage of problem mortgage brokers and Realtors that would fall into the same category.  Many times a fee appraiser gets a reputation of being either "conservative" or "my good appraiser", sadly, the reputation usually is predicated upon if the appraiser will "play nice with others" to help a deal.

My issue is this...in my experience mortgage fraud does not usually start with the appraisal.  If one wanted to defraud a lender, they would want to find the right MB and/or agent first.  The fraud process starts somewhere else and the appraiser becomes involved either inadvertently or purposely.    Either way, the appraiser should be punished just as severely as the MB or Realtor involved, but I would not say that the appraiser is any worse than other parts of a bad equation.

2:38pm • #11
JUL
17
2007

Robert, I agree with you in that appraisers should not carry more of the blame than the other parties. I don't doubt that there are many appraisers involved in these schemes knowing exactly what they are doing. But I heard of many cases where you can tell appraisers believed these where true sales, particularly at the time when property prices where quickly appreciating. Now in this market is more difficult to believe that an appraiser can get easily duped. In regards to punishment, I leave that to the courts.

Well, I have been editing this blog a bit and I had some help from the AR gods to format the content. Then added a few pictures and links for practice and fun. I hope it's more readable now.

7:20pm • #12
JUL
18
2007
Wow I know mortgage fraud is out there but have yet to see any up front and personal in the area I'm in.  I find it upsetting that no one seems to be doing much to prevent it.
9:01am • #13
Someone IS doing something about it in Florida. Pamela Crowley of www.MortgageFraudWatchList.org is.
9:10am • #14
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Rebecca - thanks for the site, I will likely utilize it.

Griselda - I will contact you over the next day or two.  I have a situation I'd like to discuss with you.

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3:11pm • #15
Joe, I believe that we can't say nobody is doing anything about it, but definitely what is being done is not enough.  Apparently, local authorities and the FBI do not have a sufficient number of people to investigate all the cases reported to them. 

Rebecca, I appreciate the time and effort these people are putting into fighting mortgage fraud. When I have a chance I'll go over this website to see how it works.

Tchaka, you are welcome to call me or email me. 

Thank you to all of you for your comments.

5:50pm • #16
JUL
19
2007
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Griselda, this is an excellent post whether it be your first or your 100th.  Excellent information here and I enjoyed the entire discussion.  Welcome to ActiveRain!
6:49pm • #17
Peggy, thank you.  I enjoyed your blog I'll Show You Mine....If You'll Show Me Yours very much, and plan to check all those bloggers, one at a time! 
8:25pm • #18
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04
2008
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GRISELDA, not only have I smelled a rat. I have personally met them. The key to the problem is enforcement. It is a rarity that anyone goes to jail or pays back the stolen funds. In California, we too have a limited enforcement.

We had a group sponsoring a 'Get Rich Quick in Real Estate Home Parties' (not the name). People actually purchased property sight-unseen. No money down. It was FICO-score driven. The group had 80 known victims/wanna be investors. Their scheme relied on the Seller's market to continuing to skyrocket. It also relied on refinancing to reinvest in the next purchase.

12:48am • #19

Dionne, you're right, lack of law enforcement is a huge problem. Once in a while you hear in the news that the authorities caught a group involved in mortgage fraud. But it seems that too often these guys get away with it. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.


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