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A Ground Don't Mean a Thing if it Ain't On The Right Thing

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Of all the components in a home the electrical system has to be the most mysterious and to some degree menacing.  Electricity should be respected because it can kill you.

One of the major parts of the system is the ground wire. This is usually a single wire found inside the main service panel on most systems. The other end of the ground wire can be connected to a number of different locations. The most common in my area is to the main water supply pipe. A ground rod is also usual either inside or outside the home.

The location of the ground wire inside the main service panel is dependant on a few variables. It's these variables that can throw a curve at the inexperienced amateur.

neutralThe panel at right has been incorrectly grounded. The main ground wire (large bare copper wire) is located on the neutral terminal (that's where the white wires connect). For those sharp eyed folks, yes there is a red wire in there also. If you follow it up it's spliced to a white wire.

The reason that the wire does not belong on that terminal in this instance is the location of the main breaker. The main disconnect is located outside near the meter which makes this a four wire main panel feed. The main grounding for the system should be located out near the meter not on the neutral terminal.

This panel as best as I can tell has been this way since the home was built. Even when newer circuits were added, and incorrectly wired, this defect was not corrected.

An ungrounded electric system is definitely not a good thing.

 

 

 

James Quarello
SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Jim Startzman
Long and Foster Real Estate - Wilmington, DE

Good Information.  Thanks for the post.

Jan 30, 2010 06:46 AM
Suesan Jenifer Therriault
JTHIS-Professional Home Inspection Team - Blakeslee, PA
"Inspecting every purchase as if it were my own".

James - not only is it not a good thing, but I've noticed that even that even when the house may have sold many times the defect isn't caught during the course of the inspection. How it can go un-noticed by so many different people should be of great concern to all.  

Jan 30, 2010 07:05 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

James if it has not killed anyone yet how can it be wrong?:)

Jan 30, 2010 07:33 AM
Craig Rutman
Helping people in transition - Cary, NC
Raleigh, Cary, Apex area Realtor

This is the reason I never play with electricity!

Looking at an electrical panel with it's cover off is like a foreign language to me.

Well done James.

Jan 30, 2010 08:22 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Charlie is right.  I don't see any blood.  No blood, no foul.

Great post Jim...

Jan 30, 2010 09:59 AM
John Thomas
E3 Green HOMES - Boulder, CO
EcoBroker, MSEE, MBA

Another common problem with homes that have been rehabbed is there is no earth ground to the outlets yet the sockets are replaced with 3 prong instead of two prong. Most people simply don't know that you can still buy two prong outlets at Home Depot. That could be a real problem if a tv or a computer is blown out during a storm.

Jan 30, 2010 11:02 AM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Jim, you lost me on the word "electrical", LOL. I count on the inspector to know what he/she is looking at.

Had one inspection where the inspector noticed some issues, but not the real big ones. And had others all wrong. :(

Of course, you know me, I was 3 doors down when the electrical panel was open... (just kidding).

Jan 30, 2010 11:52 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

James,

I have found it more than once on a piece of plastic pipe. Very effective.

Jan 30, 2010 01:53 PM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

I would have made note that the red wire is also incorrect. Ticky tack I admit, but then wrong is wrong...

Jan 30, 2010 08:15 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Jim, You're Welcome

Suesan, I believe you are absolutely correct. A home that has changed owners many times should not have obvious and dangerous problems still present.

Charlie, I think I may have heard that argument once or twice :) 

Craig, משחק וחשמל אין להשתמש באותו משפט.

Jay, I doubt there would be blood. Smoking flesh perhaps, but no blood.

John, You bring up another common and potentially hazardous grounding issue.

Andrea, Having a "knowledgeable" professional miss important electrical defects is a big concern. And you have to stop hiding in your Jeep during inspections. :)

Steve, I always enjoy seeing that one too. I think someone may have flunked high school science.

Michael, I did not note that, but a licensed electrician was called for to repair the panel so I would assume he will fix everything wrong.

Jan 30, 2010 11:40 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Mr James,

Let's leave flunking high school science out of the equation, shall we?

Nutsy

Feb 03, 2010 04:53 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Sorry Nutsy, didn't mean to touch a nerve.

Feb 03, 2010 06:42 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

James,

My assistant, once again, has pointed out to me just how insensitive you can be.

Feb 05, 2010 07:22 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Steven, Your assistance has a tendency to exaggerate. I'm never insensitive when it comes to Nutsy.

Feb 05, 2010 07:46 AM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

I stay FAR away from electricity. I've been shocked once and it was not pretty.

Apr 28, 2010 10:03 AM