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IcebergOver the past year, I've heard variations of this scenario in the negotiation of Short Sale transactions. I call it Short Sale Parking. For all intents and purposes, the home for sale looks like a regular listing.  An unsuspecting buyer contacts a real estate agent to write up a purchase agreement for what seems like a normal transaction.  

When the counter-offer is returned from the listing agent, it contains a strange phrase informing the selling agent that the listing agent is actually the owner of the property by a vehicle known as the purchase agreement'.  Up to this point I think most of us have assumed that purchase agreements were part of the sale process to buy a home, not the proof that a home was owned!

The remainder of the saga may have many variations, but the players in the drama are easy to identify. On the main stage there is always a homeowner in distress who needs to sell their home with the prospect of delinquency/foreclosure a strong possibility.  

Enter the 'Solution'...either in the form of an individual or company who can solve the problem through the negotiation of a short sale.  But first...the homeowner must relinquish the rights of ownership through a quit claim deed.  

In some cases, the homeowner also agrees to become a renter and pays some upfront fees in addition to a monthly rental payment.  The 'Problem Solver' aka Short Sale Specialist then proceeds to list the home and look for a real buyer. Miraculously, a 'real buyer' often shows up to put in an offer on a home which may be priced significantly below market value

WHOA...

But wait a minute...What just happened?  The homeowner sold the home, but received NO MONEY because the home was sold by a document known as the purchase agreement and didn't involve a mortgage or cash.  Yet, the homeowner continues to be on the hook legally because the title does NOT transfer until there's a viable sale on the table.  In some cases, the home title is transferred to a 'holding company' but my conversations with representatives in the title industry suggest that this type of transfer carries significant liability which many prefer to avoid.

SOLUTION?

This problem is miraculously solved when a 'real buyer' shows up with 'real money' from a 'real mortgage company' at a price which is higher than the one offered to the 'real homeowner'.  Variations of this theme include throwing out a ridiculous offer to the bank to hasten the lenders' understanding of the marketplace.  One which is so low, it is likely to be ignored so the mortgage holder will presumably be more willing to act quickly when a 'real buyer' emerges.

Now, I dislike the time required to negotiate a short sale as much the next guy. But, I think there are aspects of these type of transactions that are cause for real concern.  While every real estate transaction carries an element of risk, these types of transaction  would seem to have 'avoid this like the plague' written all over them!

First of all, shouldn't there be a great deal of hesitation, in not downright aversion to participation in a transaction which leaves a client on the hook for more money than they might have owed as a result of a shortfall in funds from the distressed sale of their home because a middle person 'negotiator' stepped in?

Secondly, if an agent is so sure that a home can be Sold for more money when the distressed seller is approached with this novel solution...why isn't the home simply placed on the market for the 'real sales price' from the beginning?

Thirdly...if more money can be returned to the bank from a distress sale, isn't it FRAUD to pretend otherwise?

Lastly, at a time when many agents are seeing commissions fall from listing a home, there appears to be a significant financial incentive to negotiate this type of transaction.  It seems that in addition to the real estate commission, the specialist (individual agent or company) is pocketing the differential between what the bank obtains and the amount mortgaged by the 'real buyer.'

And if the above issues don't give true pause, there is one more item which should be a concern if you're a Broker.  Check with your E&O carrier about coverage on these deals.  Many E&O carriers will not cover this type of a transaction on your standard coverage.  The implications for any firm are enormous.

It doesn't make sense to me that  we are willing invest  time and energy in creating forms and forums to mitigate risk and keep our transactions within the confines of the law, yet fail to see that this type of transaction has huge downsides for a very temporary gain in the hands of a few individuals.  Your thoughts?

*I wrote a Members Only Post about this topic in March entitled "Shenanigans are Shenanigans...aren't They?  Unfortunately, it seems that this practice is becoming more firmly entrenched in the real estate marketplace.

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60 Comments on Short Sale Parking...Are We Racing Towards the Tip of an Iceberg?

JAN
30
2010
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WOW, Lola. I can honestly (and thankfully) say I have never encountered this. Thanks for sharing...very good to know!

8:34pm • #1
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Hi Kathy, I wish I could say the same.  This past week, I heard from two individuals who are deeply disturbed by this practice.  One was a title rep and the other an agent.

8:44pm • #2
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I haven't encountered this either, but sounds like a sham to me..  Great explanation.. I will be aware due to this post.  I'm flagging for a feature.

8:50pm • #3
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Thank you Judi.  I hope that your response is the norm.  This type of transaction does not bode well for our industry IMO.  Sometimes, agents are not aware that this is what they are involved in when they work with a Short Sale Specialist who is NOT ethical.  Thankfully, there are Short Sale companies who do not resort to these devices.

9:13pm • #4

Sounds like a mess.  I tried to comprehend it, but to be honest, I didn't get it.  I'm not surprised that there are attorneys involved, and problems with the insurance, that seems to be the world that we live in today.  Attorneys and drug companies are the DEVIL!

9:53pm • #5
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Hi Lola... this sounds shady.  We were approached recently by an agent who placed a low offer on one of listings assuming it would convert to a short sale or go to foreclosure.  The agent went on to detail how they would act as the short sale "specialist" if case we needed help with the transaction.   The whole deal was unnerving as i began to picture all the hidden fees associated with it.  This was my first encounter with anything of this sort!  The timing of your article was right on....  I'd like to hear what others have to say about it... thanks for bringing this topic to the AR audience Lola. 

10:02pm • #6
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Well said! With all the problems out there we don't need to add to them we need to help these sellers through tough times not take advantage of the situation they are in.

11:40pm • #7
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2010
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It always helps to be simple minded, like Lenn. 

I have always trained agents to understand that, if a transaction doesn't fit into our standard attorney written and real estate board approved Contract of Sale, only an attorney should manage that contract. 

Since agents are limited in what they can legally do for a buyer or seller client, transactions such as those described in your article cannot be managed by a real estate licensee without significant risk.

Do I understand these transactions??  Yes. 

Do I want to take the risk??  No.

 

4:39am • #8
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Lola,

This is a new one for me.  I wonder what that listing presentation looked like!

Mike in Tucson

4:48am • #9
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Lola - I have actually encountered this. Last week at Bar Camp, I sat in on a session led by a local attorney who advised against this and our Attorney General is seeking out these individuals who are practicing real estate without a license. Great post and warning!

6:00am • #10
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Lola, I'm going to bookmark this and hopefully will never have to show it to any agents in my area who would consider this type of practice. 

In times of distress certain types of people crawl out of the woodwork.  Our grandparents saw it during the Great Depression, and unfortunately this type of thing still happens, albeit in different forms.  Very sad.

6:37am • #11
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Lola, haven't seen this down here yet-thanks for the explanation and now will keep my eyes open for these situations!

6:48am • #12
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This looks like a variation of investors tricking homeowners into signing their homes to them. . if they sell it they (the investor)  makes money, if they don't. . the homeowners loses and the investors goes to the next one.

It smells. . 

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Lola:

In our MLS you have to disclose whether or not the home is a short sale. But putting that aside, for a situation that does evolve into this, I think it belongs in the hands of an attorney. It sounds like it would be skating on very thin ice to deal with it.

 

7:06am • #14
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This certainly feels and smells like fraud to me and I would stay as far away from it as I could. I had one of those companies approach one of my listing clients with a similar pitch. Fortunately he asked me about it before he signed anything, so we avoided that mess.

7:28am • #16
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Lola, This s a growing trend in my area. Have a purchase agreement does not make that person the owner of the property. As a broker we can only list properties with the owner.

I am just not starting to study up on a+b+c flips and really need to understand the legalities before deciding whether or not I can get involved and any side of the transaction. They can be structured where they are completely legal and they can be handled where are parties are committing fraud. The key is to no the difference.

7:31am • #17
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This one just sounds so confusing for me. I have enough challenges with a straight short sale (is there such a thing?).

7:51am • #18
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At the beginning of THIS round of short sales, I saw and heard about stuff like this in California. But everyone started to get wise to the dangers involved. Another thing was for an investment company to get the quit claim deed and put the property in trust while they allegedly worked on the short sale and collected rent from the real owner. Something was very wrong with this picture. In fact, many people got arrested!

9:03am • #19
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As a major short-sale listing broker in my market, I get all kinds of calls from people offering me their short-sale services.  Some are legitimate processing companies but many are looking to flip the property and generate a profit.  I don't have a problem with profit, but as the listing broker, I have a responsibility to protect the interests of my client. Signing the property over while the seller gets to keep the note is a really bad idea for a number of reasons.  I asked a recent caller about the "due on sale" clause in the existing mortgage. He hung up. 

In Texas we're seeing licenses revoked and fines levied against licensees for participating in this type of transaction.  We need to report these kinds of activities to our local boards and licensing agencies rather than ignoring it.

Tom

10:17am • #20
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Lola, I have heard of this but luckily have not encountered it.

10:52am • #21
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Lola, you are way to kind to use the term parking. In my opinion this borders on fraud. Two Realtors in my state are up before the Commission who are doing this themselves and I believe they will lose their licenses. I have contacts constantly from people who want to do this with me. I politely tell the about Ethics, representation, and transparency. I also explain that in my opinion, the lender will not see this as an arms length transaction, and then the owner has a foreclosure which jeopardizes there future. There are enough probelms in getting a short sale done without adding extra pain and risk.

11:03am • #22
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Hi Lola,

Fortunately, I have yet to encounter this - but what a nightmare.  I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

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If anyone wants to 'invesitgate' these types of frauds, I'd start with the quit claim deed filed.  Wouldn't the county hold those records?  Wonder if a pattern would emerge.

11:25am • #24
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Gregg, part of what complicates the issue is that it can be REALLY difficult to understand the process.  I've tried to explain it as clearly as possible.  But this begs the question...if agents are having a hard time following this convoluted process...WHAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC doing?  I think that the process is designed to be somewhat less than transparent even when things are 'fully disclosed on a HUD.

11:33am • #25
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Diane, the approach you describe is fairly common amongst investors who are trying to pick up a good deal. There's nothing illegal about a BUYER bringing a low ball offer, even if they think it may trigger a short sale.  The issue becomes cloudy when the Listing Agent is involved in creating a situation in which the home is:

1.  Sold twice w/in essentially the same transaction to provide financial benefit to the agent under the guise of assisting the seller of a distressed property.

2.  Banks are defrauded of income they would otherwise have obtained from the original mortgage holder when the home transfers to the 'middle buyer' who has NO MONEY in the deal but who reaps a substantial benefit.

11:38am • #26
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Terry, Thanks for your comment.  People who are in this situation simply want relief...they are vulnerable & we should be doing our best to help them, not take advantage of the situation.  

Lenn...makes sense to me.  There is a lot of down-side to these types of transactions for any broker.

Mike...I've never been to a listing presentation for this type of a transaction, but when I've heard it described...agents are asked to let the 'specialist' handle things rather than be intimately involved in the deal as they normally would be.

12:28pm • #27
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Interesting Paula...I've heard that these deals have been checked out by attorneys...I simply don't understand the rationale nor do I agree with the potential ethical issues.  The State of Indiana seems to be very clear on their position on the topic.  I'd prefer to see this addressed by local associations or on the national level before it brings unnecessary disrepute to our industry.

12:32pm • #28
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Bryant...my discussion with the E&O insurance executive was instructive.  Several brokers asked a question about if these transactions were insurable.  She indicated that her insurance company (a major carrier) DOES believe that there IS an OWNERSHIP interest when an agent assumes ownership by purchase agreement.  However, the won't cover liability for these transactions because they are considered agent owned deals which are not a part of standard coverage.  If an agent/broker is considering this, it would be advisable to consult with an attorney and your insurance carrier I would think...

12:37pm • #29
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Joe...this seems reckless to me as well.  There's enough 'fun' in wading through the agony of a short sale without complicating matters in this fashion.

Carla...now, that's a thought!

Ruthmarie...:)

Tom...thanks for your comment.  Your thoughts on the 'due on sale' clause is worth highlighting!

I don't have a problem with profit, but as the listing broker, I have a responsibility to protect the interests of my client. Signing the property over while the seller gets to keep the note is a really bad idea for a number of reasons.  I asked a recent caller about the "due on sale" clause in the existing mortgage. He hung up. 

 

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I think what you are describing is more commonly called a short sale flip or short sale double close transaction (A to B to C). While I'm no expert, my research indicates the legality of this type of transaction is largely dependent on whether there has been timely and adequate disclosure to all parties involved (including the forgiving lender) of the nature of the deal. The rules of your MLS may also prohibit taking this type of listing.

From the listing side perspective, I would practice EXTREME caution and do allot of research before getting involved as an agent for the owner (A) or the investor (B).

From the buyers agent perspective, I think these can provide great opportunities for the end buyer (C) without all the potential legal and ethical issues.

12:44pm • #31
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Thanks for your comment Dan.  It would be interesting to read what the disclosures are.  But apart from the legality of it, there are other issues...namely the ethics of it & the liability particularly if the transaction is not insurable.  My instinct is that disclosures on these transactions most likely do not include a call to the E&O provider to determine coverage limitations and likely also skirt the issue of the due on sale clause found in most mortgages.  For the listing agent...EXTREME caution would be good advise...personally, I'd say RUN AWAY. :)

12:57pm • #32
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Thank you for the great topic!! I love reading about these types of transactions and there are always a wide range of opinions which makes it even more interesting. Good stuff!!

1:14pm • #33
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I agree with you on all your points.  This type of transaction is a net sale.  Title companies don't want to insure them, negotiators won't sign off on them (if there is proper disclosure,) and a financed buyer can have issues getting a valid contract because the contract is between them and another party that is not a valid owner of the property!

Luckily these things didn't take on much steam when we started receiving the calls in early 2009 from these "investors."  Seriously, they need to go buy at trustee's sales if they have the cash (which they typically don't!)  They are leveraging nothing for high potential returns.

1:19pm • #34
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I think the due-on-sale clause becomes a non-issue as long as the A to B and B to C transactions are funded separately and treated as two independant transactions.

1:31pm • #35
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Dan, with reference to comment #35...When these types of transactions are done  with a sale by 'purchase agreement' there is no funding of 2 separate as the property is immediately flipped.  The only funding which comes into the transaction is final buyer aka the real buyer. So, I'm thinking the due-on-sale clause is potentially an issue in many cases...Your thoughts?

1:45pm • #36
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Renee...thanks for your comment.  You bring to mind another salient issue with regards to hassles with the REAL buyer's financing when the true nature of the ownership vehicle of the listing is not highlighted on the MLS.  Can really be a hassle for a buyer who has fallen in love w/ a home who now finds their lender skittish about dealing with this type of a transaction.  

1:47pm • #37
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If the investor (B) is using the end buyers (C) funds to close the A to B deal then I'd agree there could be a problem with the due-on-sale clause and I would run away as you stated earlier :-). I usually hear this referred to as a short sale flip with "simultaneous" closing as opposed to a short sale flip with a "double" closing.

Rob Arnold from AR wrote a series of blog articles on this topic a while back that were very illuminating for me.

(link deleted because I don't want to divert from your blog)

2:00pm • #38
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Thanks for the link Dan.  I'm going to check out Rob's article.

2:03pm • #39
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Lola, I have seen this two times in Jacksonville. Both cases a Realtor was involved as the third party. Of course I told them thanks but no thanks. I really don't want to be involved in any fraud.

2:18pm • #40
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Hi Lola, I consider myself an expert in short sales and short sale flips.

Let me clarify some things for you and the readers:

1. Your buyer is the end buyer of a short sale flip. The counter you got from the listing agent is disclosing this to you.

2. "When the counter-offer is returned from the listing agent, it contains a strange phrase informing the selling agent that the listing agent is actually the owner of the property by a vehicle known as the purchase agreement'."

It's usually one of two documents: A. It is a "purchase option contract". B. A purchase and sale agreement subject to existing loans.

The third document is an equity share agreement, but I rarely see those being used since the short sale get rich seminars haven't been covering them. ;)

3. Due on Sale clause does not come into play because they only know about it if the deed is recorded. Assuming it gets recorded and the loan is not assumable, then they must send you a letter invoking the "Due on Sale clause" which gives you 30 days to pay them off. By then the short sale is flipped. Also, a smart investor would have transfered the property into a trust and therefore the due on sale clause couldn't come to play as it is fine to transfer a property into a trust, but not to a third party.

4. "First of all, shouldn't there be a great deal of hesitation,..."

Yes, if you are a licensed real estate agent or broker, you should be very careful on EVERY transaction to make sure that your strategy benefits your clients and all risks and issues are rightfully disclosed. In this instance, the logic as to why you would want an "investor" to step in is to give a bank an offer so that the short sale can be processed to prevent a foreclosure. So if you have little or no time, you slam an investor offer in to get the ball rolling. This also answers your second question.

5. "Thirdly...if more money can be returned to the bank from a distress sale, isn't it FRAUD to pretend otherwise?"

No. The bank is not party to the purchase contract between seller and buyer. They can either deny or approve the short sale based on their internal process. So it is none of their business if a higher or multiple offers exist. So if a short sale approval letter doesn't state otherwise, the investor is OK.

6. If you are a licensed individual acting as a principal in a transaction, you have a higher responsibility in the transaction.

In regards to the short sale flip in general, I agree with you. It's why I got licensed. I wanted to protect people in foreclosure from other people who were taking advantage of them. That said, if done right, the short sale flip is neither illegal, fraudelent nor unethical. If you don't understand them as a buyer's agent, then I would suggest to walk. The reason being is if the transaction from A to B is not done correctly, it can cause headaches for both your broker and your client.  

By the way, the short sale is not "parked", it's a crash landing as it has so many parts to deal with. So either get out of the way or hold on tight! ;)

Great Blog.

4:18pm • #42
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Lola, a big time bait and switch, and a deal that smells like a rat. I too would get a real estate attorney to draft the documents.

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Lola,

My comment on the Due on Sale clause related to the signing of a deed to transfer the ownership of the property rather than a flip.  Some of these schemes involve the investor taking title and leaving the owner with the note.  In this case the Due on Sale clause would be invoked. This assumes that the lender finds out. Either way, I advise people not to get involved with these types of "bailout" schemes.

In my opinion agents participating in this kind of transaction are working in their own best interest rather than their client's. Again, I don't have a problem with profit and if I wanted to flip some homes I would not be involved as the listing agent.

Tom

5:32pm • #44
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Luckily, we haven't seen this happening in our area....yet.  And I sure don't see where the Agent is the "owner" of the property.  Ownership is transferred by deed and deed alone.  It may be subject to some type of an "option" agreement (hence, the strange language in the counter-offer). And that should be disclosed in the Agent remarks section of the listing at the very least.   

Reminds me of a few years back when properties were selling faster than hotcakes.  Listings would come through the MLS and under the "owner" section would be the following statement: subject to the parties offering the property for sale coming into title on the subject property.  What was happening is "buyers" were entering into contracts on new construction..putting their $2-5k down.  Knowing the build time was ~6 months, they would immediately list the property for sale...and pocket the 6 months of appreciation for a mere $2-5k investment.  

And look what's happened and where we are now.  

 

5:59pm • #45
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It happens. We have a couple here that do this. The agent and the homeowner are the ones that lose. They have the homeowner sign an option contract. Your commission is not disclosed till the final closing and boy are you surprised. They actually try to convince you and the seller they are only concerned with helping you out no matter how much it cost them. Actually the agent pays for any maintenance fees. And if the bank so desires they can persue the homeowner for the debt. The option folks only making this worse by striving for a lower price to protect their margin. Truth be know their just a couple of greedy *#$%

9:03pm • #46
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well wow....fraud gets really creative doesn't it. my eyes hurt reading this one. LICENSED REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS are doing this? ok i must be naive. i haven't run into this...but i just wonder how this gets past the brokers...

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I've seen some prices that didn't look right...  And while I haven't had a buyer bite on one of these, I have wondered what was under the veneer of the deal. 

9:24pm • #48

Lola, over the last few years I've run from some situations that just didn't pass the smell test!  I read about them in amazement, but that's as close as I want to get.  Cheers, Harley

10:01pm • #49
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I used to work for an investor who would sometimes get a purchase agreement on a property with multiple buyers and sell his PA to someone else. But it wasn't the property he was selling, just the opportunity to buy it. This type of transaction is not a "real estate" transaction because you can't sell real estate unless you own it. 

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Lola~

...all of that...and thank you for pointing out that, " one more item which should be a concern if you're a Broker.  Check with your E&O carrier about coverage on these deals.  Many E&O carriers will not cover this type of a transaction on your standard coverage.  The implications for any firm are enormous.

These are the days I am thrilled to be a Land Specialist...

11:47pm • #51
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I am aware of these as many companies do it all over the country. As long as no laws are broken, I guess it's OK. But I sure wouldn't want to get involved in this type of deal.

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I think this sound like the technique that the no money down guys were promoting.  I just never got it and still don't.  There was something about "due on sale" clause that always gave me a bad feeling.

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Wow!  Lola you have made some keen observation.  Now, let me say I do not know Michigan Law, but the scenario you have just described is FRAUD.  Realtors need to avoid them like the plague.  First of all for the listing agent to get permission from the bank to allow a short sale, he/she must have the homeowners prove that they have a qualified distressed situation.  Realtors must uphold their professional obligation.     I am pretty sure there was a case in Illinois where the judge ruled that in the case of distressed homeowners, a sale did not take place because the homeowner was made to rent the property.  This practice by unscrupulous investors is considered predatory. 

 

2:36am • #54
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Lola, I have not encountered this, but I see serious code of Ethics and license law ramifications from this practice.  When a seller contacts us to list their home, we are to do what is in their best interest.  I agree with you.  If there is a buyer out there who will pay more; the seller, not listing agent should get it!

12:30pm • #55

Hi Lola,

I have not read all of the comments yet, but in Florida, the foreclosure capital, this has been very prevalent.  Last year our legislature passed some strict new laws targeting these groups and tactics.  they are now felony level crimes, if you are not very careful.  The laws, unfortunately, in an effort to get the bad guys, reference some services provided by the good guys, whom are merely trying to list, sell, and solve the problem.

Some of the targeted groups had some interesting names, which I will not mention, but the acronyms formed by their initials coincidentally spelled PIG and HOG.

Our Central Florida MLS also enacted a rule preventing a listing from being entered if it was signed by someone other than the owner recorded in the public records, and all listings must disclose up top at the beginning of the data if they are a short sale or an REO.  It took a lot of badgering by myself and several others to accomplish this as there was substantial resistance from brokers wanting to conceal this information until after an offer was received.

Bad enough to waste your time and the client's time on a property that may or may not actually be able to close, but even worse to miss the opportunity to buy a legitimate alternative that sold while you were fooling around with the "maybe" listing.

 

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Nice post today.  Very informative, I've bookmarked it for future reference.

Patricia/Seacoast NH

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I think these may start to be more common.  It might make some sense if there's a house that's not selling or other issues in it where it can't be sold in the normal fashion.  I agree there should be some hesitation in this.

11:37pm • #58
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2010
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LOLA, thank you for this post..........you have put into words with much grace, words that has been floating around in my head, but not sure how to put down on paper.  I run into to this too many times out there.  Most buyers agents who are active in this market are very aware of this situation, and may explain this process to their buyer and the buyer may choose to move on to the next home, knowing the additional risk of not closing.  Which does not help the seller at all.  I wish the law in Michigan would catch up to the short sale process, as we need guide lines and restrictions to follow.

9:47am • #59
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LOLA, thank you for this post..........you have put into words with much grace, words that has been floating around in my head, but not sure how to put down on paper.  I run into to this too many times out there.  Most buyers agents who are active in this market are very aware of this situation, and may explain this process to their buyer and the buyer may choose to move on to the next home, knowing the additional risk of not closing.  Which does not help the seller at all.  I wish the law in Michigan would catch up to the short sale process, as we need guide lines and restrictions to follow.

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