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Real Estate Appraiser with North Country Appraisal Services

I was trained in the wisdom that there are always comparables, perhaps not perfect or as similar as you (or the underwriter) would like, but there are still always comps.  After more than 25 years of appraising, I recently completed my first assignment where there were no comparable closed sales.

The property was a REO vacant canal-front site on a small lake in northeast Michigan.  As a REO property, the prospective listing Realtor had already completed a BPO.  Unfortunately, BPOs are not evaluated to the same standards that appraisals are.  Within a 5 county area, there are few lakes which have canal developments to provide additional lake access so no sales of vacant canal-front sites exist during the past 24 months.  With no comps available, the agent used a riverfront property and two vacant acreage sales with no water frontage to establish the value.  None of these are comparable sales since they appeal to totally different buying markets.  Without a doubt, she picked a price and found sales to support it.

After searching 8 counties, I found no comparable sales over the past 24 month period, but three listed canal frontage sites and several developed canal front sales with cottages or homes.  I then developed the report using the three vacant canal frontage listings with a list-sale ratio adjustment based upon local market research.

The AMC rejected the report and, after several hours of explaining to the lowling who answers their phone and reviewing the "comps" used in the BPO which I determined to have no relevence to subject value, I was passed on to the AMC's chief appraiser.  Again, extensive detailing the market and the lack of comparable sales with only improved sales, the chief appraiser agreed that the approach completed was valid but unacceptable to their client.  He further agreed the only alternative approach would be to develop a narrative report at far greater expense in which developed sales would be used with the value of the improvements removed to leave the site value.  He was going to contact the lender for fee approval.

The next day I received an e-mail from the lowling that, since I did not complete the report to their requirements, it was cancelled with no payment due.  Next stop, small claims court after my remaining decision - Judge Joe or Judge Judy?

Jake Planton
www.JakePlanton.com - Portland, OR

Oh that is so horrible...this HVCC thing is the dumbest thing in the world.... Thanks for the post.

Feb 10, 2010 07:23 AM
Steve, Joel & Steve A. Chain
Chain Real Estate Investments & Mortgage, Steve & Joel Chain - Cottonwood, CA

Richard,

Sorry to hear of your AMC problem.  Just 1 more example of the fix-that-needs-to-be-fixed-to-fix-what's-broken.

I can't imagine this process will have a long life. It's problems are just too obvious.

Steve

Feb 10, 2010 07:27 AM
Charlie Ragonesi
AllMountainRealty.com - Big Canoe, GA
Homes - Big Canoe, Jasper, North Georgia Pros

Doing BPOs I run into the same thing here. Sometimes the comps fall outside the parameters of the game. Thats reality

Feb 10, 2010 07:29 AM
Cari Anderson
Danville, CA

Richard ~ Our apologies as well.  The HVCC system is not as intended and merely an additional profit center.  It's hard to imagine that Cuomo has caused all of this.  And to boot it was WAMU and E-AppraiseIT that had a lot to do with the original mess. Best of luck with the pursuit of payment. ~Doug

Feb 10, 2010 07:33 AM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

Greatly appreciate all the empathy toward the non-payment.  However, it concerns me more that the Realtor performed a poor BPO, a second appraisal was ordered through someone who probably "rubber-stamped" her comps from the BPO.  Now the property is listed with that agent and no one truly knows what the property is worth.

Feb 10, 2010 08:35 AM
Craig Chapman
Call Realty / Access Appraisals - Mesa, AZ
The Value Guy

I see too much indifference & apathy in the current system.  I understand why they went in the direction of HVCC, to reduce or get rid of the lender pressure for certain values, but the unintended consequences are worse. Seems like the AMCs are much more picky than the pickiest lenders ever were, & besides the low fees, they will absolutley drive you crazy with stuff like you discribed.  When they said what you had done was unacceptable to their client, I would have been tempted to ask, what they thought was acceptable, to make the comps up?  Their request to use improved parcels & remove the cost of the improvements, seems to be the reverse of using comps of new construction houses where you get the lot sale price & add the construction cost you get from the builder, which is not allowed. Go figure.

Feb 10, 2010 01:52 PM
Jesse Skolkin
Independent New York State Certified Real Estate Appraiser - Fresh Meadows, NY

Richard:

When I recieve a complex appraisal order like this one from an AMC, I either:

A) Reject the order as being not worth the bother.

B) Contact the AMC, explain that the report is complex and request a higher fee and explain the methodolgy I will use to complete the appraisal (which will most likely result in the order being cancelled).

I hate to say it, but submitting a form appraisal without closed sales to an AMC without discussing the problems upfront is not a good idea.

Feb 11, 2010 02:56 AM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

Jesse - The order was sent as a developed canal front site which was found to be vacant at time of inspection.  Continued correspondence with AMC lead to review of "comps" used in BPO which were rejected.  Processor was informed of preferable narrative report but wanted to go with best comps available on form which was provided since no closed sales existed.  That's when their cheif appraiser was brought in who agreed that the narrative was the proper approach.  There was constant communication with the AMC throughout the project but, in the end, they "picked up their toys and went home".  I'm far less bothered by being stiffed than the reliance on inaccurate BPO based upon sales which had no relevance to actual site value.  That we, as appraisers, have grown used to over the years; but the fact that the AMC later brought in some appraiser who did infact use these BPO "comps" is where the problem manifests itself.  (6 weeks later I spoke to the BPO agent who confirmed that another appraiser simply transferred her BPO into a report and she had since listed the property.)

Feb 12, 2010 01:51 AM
Jesse Skolkin
Independent New York State Certified Real Estate Appraiser - Fresh Meadows, NY

Richard:

Sorry if I mis-understood the situation.  Try not to let it bother you too much.

Appraisers who give up their independence and become "deal makers" will find out quickly that they will burn out their license or wind up on the "do not use" list.

Feb 12, 2010 08:40 AM
Richard Glesser
North Country Appraisal Services - Gaylord, MI

Jesse - I truly do wish that were the case but I think they have a new life after death working for AMCs.  If they'll work for peanuts, AMCs could care less about how good the work is.  And as the case points out, they'll say whatever the AMC wants.

Feb 12, 2010 08:49 AM
Myrtle "Mert" Lemon
Nomel Real Estate, Eagle One Appraisal - Hagerstown, MD
Certified Appraiser & Real Estate Broker

good luck in small claims, keep us posted!

Mar 01, 2010 03:31 AM