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When I migrated to this country, I was told and experienced the mystical Glass ceiling effect. I could work as hard as I could but being brown skinned held me back from achieving the levels of success that I wanted to.

I have now experienced this in my RE career as well and this blog is to take a poll and opinions of my readers.In my business I have now begun to feel that I am not being chosen or being sidelined in many cases just because of the color of my skin- because honestly, with the level of honesty, integrity, knowledge and experience I bring to the table I see no other reason for being pushed over to the side.I am speaking out, and many Realtors talk about it in private conversations, but no one has the guts to address this issue in a public forum.

The ironinc part of this whole effect is the fact that people from my own country choose to pass me for an agent with a different skin color !! I also understand that consumers from my subcontinent have a lack of trust in Real estate agents and that too of their own ethnicity. I hear the same from Asian agents. Our own people do not give us business and instead choose another nationality.It may sound absurd to many, and I thought about it too but the more I delve into it the more I see it happening all around me.

My question to consumers, with the utmost respect is, why do you choose not to support your own people? We understand your cultural background, your aspirations, your desires, your reasoning. Why is it that someone from my country would feel I am a thief, like they see RE agents back home? Is it the baggage of distrust you bring from your country of origin and project it to your current surroundings? And why is it that when you use our services that you feel you can treat us with the highest level of disrespect? I have questions in my mind and I feel the burning need to find answers.

I am one of the very successful agents in San Ramon, not that I am tooting my own horn- but I still feel a block in the path of my career which stems from ethnic discrimination, coming mostly from my own people.I hear this from many of my Caucasian colleagues that they feel like outcastes in predominantly ethnically diverse communities. They too have mentioned that when they meet people from other cultures they are treated with distrust? Is it just a general distrust for our breed or is it conditioning from their roots or what is it?? I say unabashedly- I am strong, knowledgable, educated, honest, upfront and sincerely involved in being the trusted advisor for my clients- then why is it that an inexperienced agent ( with a different skin color) gets to chip away at my clientele just because of his skin color?

I would want to believe that this is a figment of my imagination but the more I experience it, hear about it the more I am inclined to believe it.Dear readers, what is your take on this?

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92 Comments on Is there a Glass ceiling?

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With all due respect and sincerity, I propose that it is less ethnic discrimination than you think.  Why do people pick the Realtors they do?  Sometimes there is just no logic to it, or all of the really bad agents would have been out of business a long time ago.  There are people who wouldn't choose me for various reasons, and rather than stewing over it, I just shrug it off and go serve those who recognize my value.  I don't believe there is a glass ceiling.  There are too many mega success stories of every ethnicity and gender.  We just need to work on overcoming our own self-limiting beliefs.

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Thanks for your comments Janna. This is the reason why I put my thoughts out because I want to hear what people have to say ! I know tat there are reasons for choosing RE agents and some have no logic but living in a melting pot like CA, it is a picture that you probably cannot even begin to imagine!

12:22am • #2
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That's funny... I think the white skinned citizens are the most discriminated against nowdays.  There ar no special programs to assist white people.  White people don't have LaRaza.  White people don't have the NAACP.  I could go on for days!

One more thing... I'm now at a disadvantage because I don't speak Spanish in a country with an official language of English... go figure.

12:23am • #3
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Rama:  I do not know you.  I do not know your personality.  But... as I read your comment... the one thing that, psychologically, I heard over and over... is that you sound "beaten."  You sound convinced that you are so likely to lose when dealing with those within your ethnic group... that perhaps people just pick up on that... and see it as a negative... and choose someone else.

Again... I do not know you... and I am trying very hard to be "gentle" here.  But... I wonder how much of this is more attitudinal... than actual discrimination.

Perhaps it also could be what is called "the sins of your predecessors."  By that... perhaps again, those in your ethnic group, have seen others... and have had them do a "less than acceptable" job... and perhaps they have grown to expect the same negative from any... in your "ethnic group."

I am sorry if I am way off the mark... but I think you... and everyone, not just you, needs to project an aura of success.  Many people with less going for them... become successful because of their attitude... or even because of simply being "persistent."

I wish you all the best... just keep at it... try to be positive... and somehow get to the point where you give off the aura of "believing in yourself."

Again... I hope I have not sounded either too negative... or too much like a know-it-all.  Huggs to you.

Take care...

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Keep on getting better, learning, being positve, loving your job--- and the clients will come.  Don't make it into a race thing--- it only brings you down.  Just be good at what you do and the success will find you!  Kathy

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@Karen, thanks for your comments but I am sure as hell not beaten but baffled !!!!!! I have witnessed it so many times that I started to question my surroundings.I am very successful and in the top 10% in my area and yet I have experienced the rejection based on color!! You were not at all negative in your comments and I appreciate your feedback

@Cameron-I am still laughing at your comment. You are funny !!!!!

12:29am • #6
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Hey Kathy,I love my job and am a very positive person.I have always wanted to believe it is not a race thing and I sincerely hope I am wrong !

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Rama- If it is true that you are not chosen because of your brown skin tone- then you are not attracting the right people into your life and if it really the case where you live, you better move here to South Florida. We are a multi cultural area where all people are welcome. 

First of all, Nestor is brown skin- he is Cuban American. I have Haitians, Cubans and Latvians in my family and we get 98% of all the listings we want. 

Yes, there is a glass ceiling. The glass ceiling is in our minds. We create our own limitations. I am going to be very frank here so please know I am saying this only from experience in life. The people that are around you are a refection of what you feel deep down in your subconscious mind about yourself. 

In this country there are many many highly successful men and women of all colors, all races and all nationalities. You need to make your claim on your own wealth. The only limitations are those we place on ourselves. Embrace yourself for who you are. Do not allow the race thing to enter into the equation because if what you think about, you bring about. 

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Cameron- It is not that white people don't have those groups and white people don't have WET like BET; but not because they don't- because they are NOT allowed to! You are right, that is reverse discrimination and it abounds. 

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Maybe people can sense your negative thoughts about this. Keep your chin up. Hard work always wins!

1:07am • #10
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I've chosen to succeed!  It might not be today, or tomorrow, or 5 years from now. My thinking determines who I am. GIGO-garbage in, garbage out. Don't be a victim!

6:14am • #11
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In my experience, natioanalities or ethnicities tend to stick together. Not always, but it happens often enough that I notice it. I see asian buyers with asian agents, middle eastern, and Indian with same. Some of it could be a langauge issue, but most speak english, I would think. I don't complain when they won't work with me, and it has happened twice this year.

I had an openly gay agent tell me about a gay referal service. (I'd have to look it up, but I beleive that it is pretty well known.) He said that he got 25% of his business from it. I thought about doing it, because business is business. He, as well as 2 out of the three openly gay agents that I emailed, that were part of it as well, said that it may not work for me because I am not gay. The other said that she didn't think that it would be a problem.

I just think that people are sometimes more at ease with what they are used to. I am at ease with everyone, but not everyone is.

6:14am • #12
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  The only thing that I've encountered that was somewhat similar was age discrimination when I started my real estate career "fulltime"at age 21. Same thing - I would make a well planned,visual Listing Presentation to someone who was 45++ and they would hire someone closer to their age who DIDN'T offer all of the marketing services I displayed ! I started to bridge the gap with knowledge .Keep plugging away, because you already powerfully believe YOU ARE a Top Agent in your area !!!!

6:56am • #13
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Gee, with all due respect. It may not be the skin color but maybe what it's wrapped around.

 



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7:16am • #14
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I think folks want a comfort level when they are involved in a transaction as large as real estate. Why they choose whom they choose, I have no idea.

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Rama,

In some cases, people from a certain ethnic background prefer strongly to deal with people they perceive to be their own. In other case, they strongly prefer to deal with anyone else.

So, might aI suggest a creative solution here. Team up with someone who you think would compliment your practice.

Brian

7:42am • #16
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I agree with the comment that Janna make above, first comment.  I think there is more discrimination to the ordinary person!!  Protecting these different kinds of ethnic people has " gone over board"  I too think we should all be more focused on our own image

Patricia

7:45am • #17
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Wow, I can so relate to this. 

My first job out of college was sales in a different industry. I had an extraordinary closing ratio with people of other ethnicities, but with my own demographic I stunk. It got to the point where I'd tighten up and virtually cause them not to buy as soon as I recognized them. It took some work. Time and work on myself have helped me since I got into real estate in 1996. 

Rama, I hope your post will be the precursor of a breakthrough for you. Here in New York, we have all kinds of different people succeeding with all kinds of different clients. What goes on in your heart and gut forecasts what occurs in the world. It may be gradual or an epiphany, but you can overcome some of these barriers. Part of the problem now is that you may actually expect and forecast these outcomes unconsciously at this point. Life is a self-fulfilling prophecy sometimes. 

Are there cases of outright prejudice? Perhaps. But in most cases you get what you expect. Focus on real estate and what value you bring in a business sense to the people in front of you. Ethnicity should be an afterthought. This is just a shot in the dark, but the things you might do to compensate for an expectation of resistance might be the cause more than the solution. 

People will do business with you for their own reasons, but in cases where you are of the same background try and focus on bringing value to them in a business sense. Focus on what they want and need, especially the pre foreclosure niche you work. If they truly believe you can get them out of a jam, they'll hire you. 

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Bottom line is that consumers are selfish, we all are. We will buy/hire that product/service that will get us the most bang for the buck. If we/you stand out above all the rest, you will be the on chosen.

Thank you

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I recently sold a home to an investor from israel. He barely spoke English, and I don't now but about 20 or so words in Hebrew. Someone we communicated. It was hard work, and it takes a lot of missteps until we get there. I would also say that as a 62 year old Realtor from Oklahoma who grew up in a predominately male dominated Caucasian society, that eliminating any ceiling and racial distrust takes work. What i love about Realtors is their willingness to embrace diversity rather than fear it.

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Rama, I recommend you lower your expectations of other people. It is really easy to get trapped into a rut of assuming people don't like you or choose you for a reason. People aren't rational. And you can't expect people to choose you because they have the same color skin. If you are going to get past color of skin, it has to start with you not allowing yourself to be bothered by that. It sounds like you've made great strides and become successful in your business. You can only change how others look at you one person at a time. And by proving your worth. Nearly every client of mine begins with them not trusting me (unless they were reffered). And I have a pretty diverse clientele. But when someone with darker skin chooses an agent with similar skin, that's okay. There's enough business for everyone. Racism is real, but if we don't acknowledge it and live by example, it will go away faster. Complaining about people that are racist is like giving in to your kid who is misbehaving at a store and just buying then why they want. In the words of Stephen Colbert, I don't see color. My advice is ignore them, stay positive, and keep focusing on marketing yourself as the best option. That's something within your control! Good luck!
8:43am • #21
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I'm sorry you have experienced this. I wouldn't even attempt to say what is or isn't happening, because I don't know - I'm not in your shoes. I have had some experiences where people obviously preferred to work with men. All I can say that I took away from those experiences is a determination to succeed despite those people. 

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Thank you all for your feedback. I take all of it in a positive way and learn from the words of so many good people. I am taking time to read everyone's feedback and comments and soaking in good advice. I wrote this post because I felt the prejudice and wanted to put it out there for everyone to chip in their thoughts !! Its heartening to know that some of you have expressed the same experience as mine but very interesting way to stay focussed on other things. Sometimes as human beings, we get entangled in this web and it gets difficult to get past it. Thank you to all once again

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Rama, you say you are a successful agent, and I believe you. So focus on the areas that bring you success. Maybe working a "niche" market in your ethnic group is not going to be the right approach for you. There is no telling why some people will choose an agent, and yes there may be some baggage out there, distrust of real estate agents from one's own country because back "home" they have a bad reputation. Your only recourse is to take the high road, be the consummate professional 100% of the time, and eventually your reputation will speak volumes.

I you are going to the Keller Williams Family Reunion I hope to see you there!

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I like the idea about partnering with someone on some clients. If you get a sense that you aren't getting through to the client, try referring them to someone else that you know will do a great job. You can't predict how some people will react to you. In my neck of the woods, I'm one of the youngest Realtors up here. I am sure that might work against me in some cases and there's times where I'll show property and everything is going great and then never hear from the clients again. YOu can't win them all. Besides if people of your own race treat you with disrespect, why would you want to go through that?
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Rama, You are a very brave woman already for putting your thoughts about discrimination out there for everyone to comment on. Just acknowledging your thoughts on the subject in an open forum is one way of moving beyond your self-limiting beliefs about yourself. If you market yourself as a realtor professional who assists clients of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds rather than wondering why one particular group does not work with you, I believe that you will continue to be a high producer. If one group does not want to work with you, then celebrate those who do. There has to be a reason why you are enjoying the amount of success you are acheiving. Run with that and don't worry about the rest.
9:12am • #26

A suggestion I heard once from Anthony Robbins:

 

Make a list of all the reasons why you think you can't succeed, real and imaginary.  Then look at each reason you listed, and laugh at each and every one of those reasons.  It just might have the effect of neutralizing their power.

 

 

Brian Kirk
9:21am • #27

A suggestion I heard once from Anthony Robbins:

 

Make a list of all the reasons why you think you can't succeed, real and imaginary.  Then look at each reason you listed, and laugh at each and every one of those reasons.  It just might have the effect of neutralizing their power.

 

 

Brian Kirk
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Rama, thus far I am the only one of African descent to respond to your post so I definitely know where you are coming from (by default). However, there are several important points that I'd like to bring out" I have to agree with Karen Anne; you must start with your own attitude You say you are a successful real estate agent (with or without the alliance of your cultural sisters and brothers) I go where the business is. I don't have time to worry about who does not want to work with me. I am only concened the people who do want to work with me (black, white, brown, green purple). I often quote Maya Angelou and I suggest that you make this your new mantra: "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, then change the way you think about it."
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Hi Rama, Every post above me is 100% right on...and from many points of view. The bottom line is that you have to separate your gender, ethnicity, skin color etc. from your professional self...you cannot expect others to do it. I am olive skinned and born in Greece with an ethnic name. I came from a diverse, cosmopolitan city (Toronto) before moving to a small city in the southeastern US ten years ago. We have a small, close knit community of my "own people". I have found many from my community overlook me, but I don't think it's discrimination. I think they just want to keep their "personal affairs" away from their group. I have enough business from outside my group that it doesn't bother me one bit. I don't even wonder about it..although I did at the beginning...I admit! I have been discriminated against in the past because I was too young when I started out 23 years ago. Also, being a young female in large, complex commercial transactions with a bunch of seasoned, middle aged men...now THAT was the worst! But we cannot get hung up on this. You do have to lower your expectations of others and just do your professional best. You don't want to ever be perceived as having that "chip on the shoulder" or perceived to have such a "weakness". Do believe that people do not overlook you on purpose, and do not wonder about it anymore. Sales is a mental game and you need to have a lot of positive energy to do your best. So don't waste another another drop of your precious energy.
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Yes, there is racism and I'm sure you've been the victim of it. I don't really have any words of wisdom except that you have to keep proving yourself with actions and integrity. 

In response to some of the comments: English is not the official language of the US - we don't have one. Ignoring and pretending that racism doesn't exist does NOT make it go away. Speaking out when you see it DOES. When Stephen Colbert says 'I don't see color' that's a satirical persona meant to make fun of typical white male privilege. There's no 'white history month' or affirmative action for whites because there doesn't need to be. Every month is white history month in America. Every channel is WTV.

Being white in America (and just about every part of the world, including those that are majority brown/black) gives you preferential treatment (AKA white privilege) that perhaps you don't even see. The reason you don't see it? You've never been brown. It's telling that when I go through immigration control entering an African country I am often escorted to the front of the line past that country's own citizens. White privilege is everywhere. And it's wrong.

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Rama, lots of good advice here, I think it is great that you had the courage to bring it up and the wisdom to learn from the answers. The thing that strikes me is that you are already successful without your own countrymen - so who are your clients that made you successful? Should the agents from their ethnic groups be upset that they chose you instead of them? Of course not, and neither should you worry when you don't get chosen - be yourself and move on to those who connect to you. I always say, if someone doesn't want to work with me, I am better off moving to the next potential client that does than beating my head against the wall to change their mind. I am who I am, you either like that or you don't. It is just like any relationship, you can't attract everyone or their would only be one successful agent in each area... good luck, I know you will continue your success.
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I can't honestly believe I am reading this! I'm am totally flabergasted at this post.
10:01am • #33
I think you should focus on what have and not what you didn't get. We are in the people business, people can be strange. Give your efforts to those who did hire you.
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10:06am • #34
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Rama:

Great comments from everyone and thanks for opening up this discussion.  Having lived in many parts of the world and the states, it is true that there are small minded folks everywhere you go, and that doesn't it is based on the color of your skin.  I have seen them discriminate on religion, lineage, and accent...

We can't change someone's mindset, and we should not attempt to as it is a futile endeavor.  What we can do is be the best we can be and do the best we can do.  It is natural that we discriminate, we do that with everything, and everyone because that is how we judge.  My father did not want me to marry someone without a college education (as if that guarantees success check out Bill Gates, Michael Dell, etc)!  I don't like cooked carrots and I don't care how good they are for me! 

Everyone has judgments about someone else.  When we do speaking engagements, I can feel the judgments in people's eyes, they like my suit, they don't like my suit, they hate my hair, they like my accent, they don't like my accent...it is hysterical and we talk about branding...

Bottom line, we all have knee jerk reactions, it is getting past them  and acknowledging them that makes us superb individuals...so it is not California, Florida, or anywhere else.  Just be who you are and continued success, the glass ceiling is in your mind!

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Best of luck to you ---   but remember it is totally your attitude about yourself.  If you act confident, you will be perceived as confident.  If you come across as knowledgeable and intelligent, you will be perceived as such.    etc.........

AND, most important, you win some, and you lose some.

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Hi Rama,  Interesting question posed in your sincere post.  My guess is that your perception of discrimination is more than is actually there.  Your suggestion that some avoid certain ethnic groups due to a negative history may be very close to the truth.  As a n example, if I were to choose between a Nigerian agent and a XXXXX agent I would choose the XXXXX agent !  Keep doing what you do best and stand apart from the crowd.  Best luck to you !

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Rama,

I totally understand your point; as I experience some of that too and had to wonder for many years.

Some people of your own background will always work with someone that doesn't know them because they don't want anyone to know their affairs that can potentially tell someone else they might know  in the community.

I also know of many cases where the agents with the same background have done a lot of damage to their clients, so they now trust no one.

Other people might perceive you as not being fully integrated in your culture any more. Ex when you marry someone from another background that some might think is wrong, don't know if that is your case or not.

Some will work with you regardless... and that is what you concentrate on. and if you are already very successful  they might think you're too busy for them any way. Just keep the good job that you're doing.

 

 

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Yes, there is discrimination, prejudice and racism; and it can be found everywhere. However, if you are in the top 10% in your market, it doesn't really appear to be hampering you. That is a huge accomplishment. Perhaps there is some glass ceiling in your business that you want to crash through. I think that all successful people, such as yourself, eventually reach a point where it becomes difficult to reach a higher level. They reach a plateau, and seem to stay there for a long while. Often, they have to make some changes to their business practices to break that glass ceiling. We can't win over everyone to do business with us. If you find people who don't want to work with you, for whatever reason, move on to people who do want to work with you. Continue working with people who like you and trust you. As a top agent in your area, you must have many, many past clients who would be happy to refer you to good people of all races and ethnicities that will help you to grow your business.
11:27am • #39
Everyone gets discriminated against. No matter who you are. You could get discriminated against because you like the wrong kind of coffee. So to say that you can't get past that would be creating your own glass ceiling. In reality, if you think about it, wouldn't someone be discriminating if they picked you because you were the same ethnicity? Isn't it discriminatory to call someone 'one of our own' simply because of the color of their skin?
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Rama:

Keep a positive attitute. So many of the comments above have a grain of truth and offer great advice.

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Hi Rama, I know how you feel, but we make our own 'Glass Ceiling'. There have been times and will continue to be times that I've not been choosen based on my ethnicity. This is just because of the human condition. I used to think in my earlier days in another sales postion that I was too young or too tall. Some people thought I was a policeman because of the way I was authoritive. I'm also challenged follickly and may have lost the listing to a beautiful young lady with long flowing hair. People will decide to list with a female instead of me or because I don't have as much experience as another agent. Whatever the reason is, I strive to be the best I can be. I have enjoyed representing many different ethnicities, gender, religion, creed and economic diversity. With every disapointment, I learn from it and move on. Keep your head up high and people will be attracted to your integrity, honesty, professionalism, sincerity and truthfulness. Remember, if it doesn't effect your breathing, it's not important, people will be human.
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The great hard to talk about issue.  Often times as a Caucasian I am reluctant to discuss issues of race because if I say something wrong or even something others disagree with I will get hit with the R word (called a Racist).  I do not consider my self a Racist and think America offers the greatest opportunity for people of any culture to get ahead.

I think there is some truth that people are drawn to people who look like them. I am white and have been married to two white women.  However, I did date people of other cultures.  I did not have a plan that I would only marry a white person it just ended up that way.  However, personality can over come appearance.  I struggle with interpersonal social skills,  I am not good at small talk,  I am not one of those guys who could sell snow to Eskimos (and we do have those types in real estate).  On the surface and by stereo type I should be a big success I am a Tall White Male.  I am over weight and am working on that issue.  Other than being over weight I have been told I am good looking.  But I really lack that ability to come in and dazzle people with my personality.  I win clients over with honesty, hard work, and technical skill.  If I had the dazzle I think I would earn more money than I do.

I am a conservative christian, however, many of my clients are from other backgrounds.  I do not hide who I am, but I do not hit people over the head with it either. I think it is important to let people feel comfortable with who they are.  I do not get turned off by people of different colors trying to sell me or working with them.  However, people can get turned off by a big cultural difference.  If I walk into a real estate sales office as a member of the public I might get turned off if I felt like I was in a foreign country or strange culture.

Let me try to be specific without getting hit with the R word.  As a Realtor I have come to understand the concept of Fung Shway (I realize it is probably spelled wrong.) and help my clients find homes that meet their wants and needs.  I ask them about the subject to help me understand.  I do not have a problem with that, that is my job.  As a member of the general public I understand when I go into a Chinese restaurant and there is a Buddha with burning incense; the concept of ethnic food is a submersion into the culture.  If I went into a real estate office and saw the same thing I do not think I would be comfortable, unless I was in Asia buying a home.

Fraud, and not just in real estate, is often characterized by victimization within a community.  This because the victimizers plays upon the trust and familiarity with the victim.  The Maddoff  scam was largerly targeted at the Jewish community.  I think for this reason some people often look out side their own ethnic community.  I saw a newspaper article one time that did a study on trust across racial lines.  People tended to trust people of their own race most, followed by whites.  I think whites were seen as the generic race, whereas other minorities were seen as less trustworthy.

The bay area is a very diverse place and I think far more open than other areas of the country.  However, your part of the county is the land of Limousine Liberals.  As an example a number of years ago I spoke to a cop in central county (not San Ramon) who told me the locals were always on the police if there were any complaints about profiling or racism.  Yet they would get calls all the time about suspicious people and when asked why the people were suspicious they would say because he is "black" or something similar.

You get to know people when you drive around with them housing hunting for weeks on end.  There are a few racist, and not all of them are white.  However, you also get a lot of people wanting diversity, yes white people.  I cannot comment or guide in this area one way or the other as it is not allowed.  Most people want diversity in the community, as long as they feel personally safe. 

I know not all of this applies to you, but it is candid about what I see and hear.  One of my more interesting prospects is not white, but insists white people are the smartest people in the world (in general).  He is a smart and wealthy man who makes good money.  He tells me about the country he is from and how the English made any success his country has and how bad it has gotten post colonial.  He is very status concious and talks about the status issues between different groups and clans in his native country.  I think he is misguided on a lot of things, but it is an interesting perspective and not your standard racism.

I do not think much of the above applies to you, just on the general topic that is what I see and feel.  I do think you will make your own success.  Sometimes being different can help you stand out.  Being black did not hold Oprah back.

12:54pm • #43
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Hi Rama,

I really like that you brought up this subject as it allows people to openly express their opinion.  I have been experiencing something a little similar, but it's concidered more age descrimination.  I recently had someone choose to work with my mother-in-law instead of me because she wanted to work with someone with more "experience".  Little did she know, I have about 2+ more years of experience in the real estate business (she's my mother-in-laws very first clients too!).  Here in Napa, it is a very small town, and everyone knows everyone - it's almost as if you have to be a rock star. Not only am I in my 20s, I'm new to Napa, so I have a lot going against me.

That being said,  I have a lot of belief in myself that I'm not going to let it get in my way.  I'm a good worker, I believe in myself, and I'm very loyal to my clients.  Over time, I will become one of these "Rock Stars", I just can't let the negatives get in my way! ;)

 

Moral of the story?  Everyone has their own personal set backs.  We all have something we work around, or through.  Those of us that may have a little harder of a time, just become that much better at what we do!  Keep at it girl,  and believe that you're a stronger, harder working agent because of it!

 

Good luck!

1:13pm • #45

the success you met with is an indication that there are plenty of folks who simply don't care about your ethnicity or gender or age. 

while i am sure that  there is a strong racist undercurrent to all of american society i see it as diminishing at a steady rate.  my several years spent living in hawaii showed me the true feel of racism...try being the only white guy surfing out in a line-up or being called out at a street fair for being with  a local girl.  there was nothing subtle about it.  it was real eye opener for me.  that said, i have sensed it less and less over the past two decades as i travel there extensively.  at some point with enough intermarriage and social interaction it will diminsh to  the point of inconsequentialness (is that a word?)

in reality i suspect you are suffering more from the situation  we all confront over and over again in  this business...many people just hire the agent standing in front of them when they decide to make a move.  they put little or no effort or thought into it and rarely treat it as a hiring decision.  it's frustrating but it's been that way for as long as i've been at it.  don't let that bother you...it's not going to change.

you have many clients that know you and the quality of your work...they get your attention,  they get the time of your day,  they get  the benefits of your experience.   if there are potential clients that are declining your services because of some race/gender/age reason, be glad...do you really want to deal with them?

this is the most merit based business i can think of besides the military and the fact that you are still in it after five years means someone is seeing your value.   one of the greatest parts of this business is that we get to choose who we work for.  it's so nice.

 

1:34pm • #46
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Hi Rama,

 

People can be very rude sometimes and of course, there are many, many people who are the total opposite.

If I were you I would just change your way of thinking at this point, be your happy self and let it all shine through, sometimes we do not even realize that our thoughts can become our insecurities which eventually show up in various forms and we do not even realize it. Be Happy and keep yourself motivated by reading or listening to some positive motivational cd's.

1:35pm • #47
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Rama: This is an intriguing blog post. While it is your personal forum to express whatever feelings that you wish, it also expresses (whether you mean to or not) that you seem to be a little bit disappointed about the type, quality, and quantity of leads and clients that you obtain.

This is a tough market, and I have never worked harder in my life. Despite the fact that closings are still consistent, I have taken a 50% pay cut because the property values have gone down more than fifty percent in my area. Personally, I view whatever comes my way as a hurdle and I sleep, dream, and breath considering what steps I need to take to overcome that hurdle. How can I obtain more leads? make more money? help more people?

When something doesn't go my way, I look into myself to determine what I will do to change that in the future.

 

2:17pm • #48
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Rama, I'm glad you felt comfortable enough to speak your mind and get this off your chest! Yes, there is racism. There also may be people who don't want to work with you because you are a woman, but the problems you are describing are not limited to people of color. When I first got in the real estate business, I would be heart broken when MY OWN FAMILY and friends would choose do to business with an agent I knew was less than stellar. I soon realized that real estate is an emotional business. I discovered that when people decided they were ready to buy or sell, they just did what was convenient. If they were at open house and wanted to buy that house, they made an offer with the agent who was convenient. I found that when FSBO's (who would promise they were going to list with me) got sick and tired of being stood up for showings and wasting their weekends on open house; they would list with the next agent who knocked on their door. I agree that consumers must think that any monkey can do what we do, otherwise they would be more selective. I supposed our industry still has a long way to go in the mind of the consumer. I too am analytical, and can't understand why someone would not want all the cards stacked in their favor when buying or selling a home, but many times, the consumer is just taking the path of least resistance. You sound like a go-getter, so shake it off and go do what you are GREAT at doing!
3:08pm • #49
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Therefore I believe, therefore I am. We are only as happy as we choose to be, words from Abe Lincoln. That being said no one or anything is discrimanated against more than the White Male. I don't believe anyone can be discriminated against. That is a word and an act people invented to get sympathy. People choose to do business with someone else, people choose to go to a school they like, live in a neighborhood they like and what is wrong with that. It never bothers me when a person chooses to do business with someone else. That is their choice.
3:52pm • #50
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I think that many times someone chooses to work or not work with you based on looks or something equally superficial.  But I also feel that as many times that someone doesn't choose you for a silly reason, there is someone else in line that chooses because of that reason.  So I try not to dwell on it and do the very best job for those that do decide to work with me.

3:56pm • #51
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Rama - This can go on forever. Discrimination comes in many form. One is what you have describe in your post. It happens and it happens in today's world all over the place on this planet. It happens with your own skinned color folks or with others. The main thing is to not let it get to you. Focus on those who appreciates you.

4:29pm • #52
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Hi Rama.

I can understand how you feel as I am of mixed ethnicities. I can think of 1000 reasons why someone won't choose me. However I focus on those who do.

Where I live in Tampa Bay it is about 95% Caucasian.  I even have an accent that is different. I don't let that stop me or even wonder "Why someone didn't choose me." Is it because of my race, ethnicity, and/or national origin? These are factors that I can't control. However I control my focus on what matters to me.

Cameron in Comment #3: Exactly. They are not allowed to do so. I despise this Double Standard and double standards of any kind.

5:45pm • #53
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Rama:

Thank you for bringing this subject up.  I too have been baffled by those of my own ethnic group not bringing their business to me.  I have discussed this with close friends and the reasons are myriad.  Some of it is jealousy especially if the group is heavy on a male dominated decision making.  The men feel threatened when they find a female that has a professional job and prefer to go with those of a different ethnic group.  Sometimes its simply that they feel that they want to keep their business personal and if you come from a small ethnic group they think it will get back to the rest of the group.  Not a logical reason at all. 

I stopped trying to figure it out and focus on providing the best service to those that do work with me and have them refer business to you.  Your post has nothing to do with your lack of security or postive attitude as some have implied.  It was more of an observation that you have made and wondered about so you used this forum to see what others thought about. 

Although we do live in a melting pot in many areas of the country there are still other areas that have a low diversity ratio so when you find yourself in those types of area, the fact that your "own" ethnic group decides not to use your expertise can be thought provoking.

My attitude is they are missing a great buying and selling experience and it has nothing to do with my ethnic background or my language skills but all to do with my capabilities.

You obviously are doing great without them and eventually they may or may not realize it but you will still be a success despite it.

6:05pm • #54
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Rama, I have not had to grow up with some of the problems a lot of people have.

However, Lets sell as musch as we can and get our share according to our effort level.

6:20pm • #55

Rama, I don't walk in your shoes and could never understand this completely.  I work in the Walnut Creek area and of course we have discrimination.  It exists everywhere, even our racially diverse San Francisco Bay Area.  

I think you have to focus on the positive.  Look past even those from your own culture who choose to discriminate.  You can't change them.  You can only change yourself.

7:31pm • #56
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I am very thankful to all of you for your words of wisdom.It is hard for me to reply to each one, but I am extremely grateful for your comments. It is very interesting to read the penned thoughts of great individuals like yourselves. I will apply very word of wisdom that has come my way and I sincerely hope that my blog also helped someone out there who was thinking about this issue but was afraid to talk on a public forum. I honestly believe we all need to express without the fear of being judged or being called a racist.

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Real estate can and is a frustrating business. It is interesting to hear your experiences, but I have no idea why some people make the choices they do. Continue to hold your head high and offer great service. Best to you and your success. Cal
7:56pm • #58
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Rama,

 

I think you have gotten some great responses (and thought provoking, eh?)

My only thought is that people make their decisions based on their OWN perceptions of things.  That person is too green in the business, they have a family and won't be avaialble on the weekends, etc.  The truth is that we can't control what goes through their minds and what variables they use to make a decision.

But this I do know:  There is someone watching our for each of us and when I don't get a deal or a client I remind myself that there is a very good reason that I may not be able to comprehend, but that someone has my back!

8:03pm • #59
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Rama,

Thank you for such a thought provoking post, and thanks for bringing this issue up for all of us to ponder.  It took courage!

8:07pm • #60
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If I don't get a listing, who do I blame? If a buyer chooses to work with someone else, who do I blame? If agent x or agent abc sells more than I do, who do I blame, or what excuse can I find. Successful people do not make excuses. Ty
8:39pm • #61

it sounds to me like you go into meeting clients with a mentallity of I won't get this client beacause i'm not like them.. I'm a damn yankee with a thick jersey accent thriving in the old school former capital of the South... I HAVE 2 WORDS FOR YOU RAMA... SELF CONFIDENCE!!!... IT SHATTERS GLASS... TRY IT.. SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY BE LACKING A LITTLE...

John Fiorelli, REALTOR Recruiting Director Marketing Consultant Century 21 Signature Realty 2800 Buford Rd. Ste 204 Richmond, VA 23235 Direct: 804-908-2046 Office: 804-330-4222 Fax: 804-330-4249 Email: john.fiorelli@century21.com Web: www.fiorealtor.com

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John, I have all the confidence but your comment definitely got me pumped up !!!!!

9:00pm • #63
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When I first read your title, I thought of the glass ceiling for women in general, ethnicity didn't occur to me.

I don't see what you see, but perhaps there are reasons within your culture?

11:30pm • #64
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Rama, I haven't seen the occurences of that happening here. It does appear that the majority of the time clients prefer agents who are of the same culture. I have also seen when conducting open houses that the buyers select someone of a different ethnicity. Believe in yourself and tables will turn. :D

1:56am • #65
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I have not really seen this here in my town...  But, Does not mean it is def. out there...  Our country has gone through great lengths in the last 60 years but, unfortunately we have much further to go!

5:44am • #66
I have helped and are presently helping many people of all racial and numerous ethnic groups who live in the USA or live in foreign countries to buy and sell all kinds of real estate, residential and commercial. My main source of customers was and is referrals from satisfied customers. Trust, honesty, and knowledge are the things they look for. Their goals are to make sure their realtor helped them to make an excellent purchase or sale. I give everyone the best representation I can and they tell their fiends, relatives, and acquaintences. Get some testimonials from satisfied customers of as many racial and ethnic groups as you have already helped to show your prospective customers. Don't use initials to identify them. Use real names and phone numbers. It should open some doors for you. Mark Cohen, Broker, Eyemark Realty, Gainesville, Florida, USA
Mark Cohen
7:43am • #67

Boy you really stirred up alot of people! It is all about what you perceive yourself to be.Forget what others say! Be confident in yourself!!!

10:17am • #68

Fabulous discussions...thanks to the author and all who have commented.  I'm coming back later to read more!

11:36am • #69

I recently sold a house to Indians from India and I have haitian clients and people from all over. I have only had one nasty experience and it was with AMERICANS who complained about my car, verbally abused me and  wanted a free lunch and for me to chaffeur them everywhere while the husband commented on my weight, my driving and everything else. You really need to move on Rama and realise that if you are going to do this for the long run , you need to get the chip off your shoulder about being discriminated against. Real estate is what you make it and in this market, everyone is getting it because of the economy. Honestly, most of the realtors that were from foreign cultures have quit that I knew because its not the rich free for all it was 2 years ago and they got into it when times were good. Its hard work now and honestly, in the last couple of months I have sold to guyanese, indian and white and they all were great customers.

 

Personally I feel like I am discrimated against because I am overweight but thank god customers seem to like me. Its everywhere else that you have to hear fat as an insult. Just hang in there ok? I have been doing this 15 years and everything is a cycle . Just believe in yourself and dont worry about a glass ceiling. Lots of people are going through all kinds of things

11:50am • #70
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Rama, I hear your frustration. I know you are probably discouraged and upset.

But your statement "why do you choose not to support your own people?" says wonders to me.

You need to try to market yourself and your services to EVERYONE, not concentrating on your own people. That mentality will drive you crazy if you just expect your own people to "give" you their business.

All buyers/sellers CHOOSE to do business with people they trust. They don't "give" their business to someone because you're a friend or a neighbor or church goer or even a relative.

You need to get used to this, because all your career (no matter what color your skin) you will run into this over & over. People you know well--friends, relatives, neighbors--will indeed do business with other people, for whatever reason. 

 

 

 

 

12:03pm • #71
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I just read thru all the replies here. One thing about AR is you won't hear much bull----. People come right out and state their opinion.

I would say crash thru that ceiling on your own. Don't use it as an excuse and don't think people are NOT choosing you because of color.

You need to turn that attitude from victim into SUCCESS.

If you feel a certain group is not working with you, then just move on. And don't target ONE group.

12:19pm • #72
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In our area I have noticed a problem in the other direction.  Agents appear to work mostly within their own ethnic groups and I believe that there is resistance in the ususal "white bread" and exclusive neighborhoods to people of color.  Its too bad, but there it is - and it is pervasive enough to be noticable.   In fact, it concerns me that this trend leaves many some excellent agents out of the most lucrative markets.  However, let's turn this around a bit. You may have adopted so well, that you may be perceived as somewhat apart.  The increased rejection - sets you apart more because you may stiffen up more and the whole thing becomes a vicious circle.

 

1:01pm • #73

Thank you, Julia Odum... I could not have said it better!

I remember a situation very similar to what you are talking about.  I know that racism does exist.  I say, just keep showing them.  You are strong and successful and that is what counts ;)

2:15pm • #74
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Rama, if you are successful in your business life and happy in your personal life then why worry about the people who don't want to work with you. Several people have mentioned positive attitude in the comments and I think that is important for attracting positive people. Maybe the people who are not choosing you are people you would not choose either.

2:29pm • #75
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Rama - I totally understand your concerns and admire your courage to discuss them. Targeting Russian speaking community myself, I also noticed that some of our people have the same attitude as you described. However, I don't think it's racism or other form of discrimination. I think, it's more about desire of recent immigrants to be more assimilated. Utilizing services of "totally local" businesses and declining ones of the professionals from their own community is a part of this desire. So, nothing is wrong about it.

You know, I hear very often "We did not want to work with Russian agent before and regret about it. How much time and money we wasted before we hired you!"

I am sure that your glass ceiling is breakable. Just look at another niche which you can also work. With your experience, professionalism and attitude everything is possible!

4:03pm • #76
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Rama: I think what you are going through is what ALL real estate people go through---it has nothing to do with your ethnic background or anything like that--it is just that EVERYBODY LOVES to "hate" their real estate agent. Not that they realy hate us---people like to blame us for everything and anything that can go wrong when they are looking to buy or sell a property. That may sound simplistic and you may think the whole thing is much more complicated than that, but I can tell you this with assuredness: WE ALL THINK WE ARE BEING DESCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR BEING FEMALE, BEING WHITE, BEING BLACK, BEING MALE, BEING ANYTHING---WHY??? Because the nature of the beast (human beings) all need to blame the other person---and we ARE the other person in any transaction!!! My very first sales manager (17 years ago) taught me something that I can't put a value on; it is priceless in it's value because it is true and if you use it you will see what I mean: "IT IS ONLY A PROBLEM IF YOU MAKE IT ONE!"....You can apply this to any and all of your issues; why? Because it is true and because anytime you say that to yourself in a circustance that is bothering you, you will see the power it can have on your life---I am sure you have heard: "Perception is everything"? Well, this is where you can apply it, because it really, really is!!! Good luck and keep your chin up....weare all in this together and it is a GOOD thing you asked all of us here on AR to help you with your dilema...

10:33am • #77
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I have listened to many people offer opinions on who is successful in real estate, such as:

  • women are better at real estate then men becuase, as a whole, they are much better at establishing social relationships, networking and multi-tasking
  • Sales-type, type A, extroverts are better cause they know how to close
  • Top-producers are the best because they have systems in place and have memorized scripts and their entire business model is about prospecting, marketing, lead generation and doing it consistently to keep the pipeline full
  • fee-for-service brokers are more innovative and appeals to consumers choice
  • and another dozen bullets

My simple opinion is real estate is a very hard business, and no one type of person fits the mold to be successful in this business.  I personally don't believe any of the above is an indicator of success or not.

I have seen many types of people (introverts, extroverts, sales types, non-sales types, ethnicity, races, educational backgrounds, etc.) and I have seen all types of people that fit into all categories that are both successful and not successful.

As a consumer, I try to be a savvy evaluator of competencies, needss, services and also ask myself: is this someone I really want to enter into a relationship with?  Does my intuition like and trust this person?  What kind of references does this person have with past clients? And the list goes on.

In short, no easy answers but I don't believe real estate has a glass ceiling.  Is it perfect, absolutely not, are things always logical and make sense, no?  We all in this business (my opinion) feel we should be further along the pipeline to success than we are.

I highly recommend you read Gary Keller's Shift book and incorporate many elements of it into your business model, especially the part about prospecting in this current market, and do it consistently and then look back over a year of doing this and see if your results change.

1:23pm • #78
Your blog reminded me of a client of mine who came to meet me at the curb, and when I stepped out of my car, his first words were, "Damn, I thought I told my wife to get a male realtor, and you ain't no male!" I didn't know exactly what to think, but I had already envisioned myself getting the listing like I always do, and I did. He turned out to be a very nice man, a little confused about what job realtors actually have. I had to educate him quite a bit along the way, but he wasn't the worst seller I've had to work with and the home sold. Your attidude will take you a long way if you keep it energetic and honest. And yes, there are prejudices to whites too, and I especially "hate" when buyers or sellers start talking in their language and we can only guess what they are saying!
5:22pm • #79
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My take on this subject...

Being born a woman with fair skin and blond hair...I can say that's I've experienced all kinds of discrimination in all areas of life (both good and bad for me)!

America is beautiful because of it's cultural diversity.  We should celebrate that and not look for reasons that it might limit us.

As Jana, in comment #1 says, "just shrug it off and go serve those who recognize my value."

Wise words to live by.

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I don't know where your problem is, but being in Houston Texas where we are extremely diverse, I don't see the problem, I'm white, male, over 55 and originally from Minnesota. I should be having your problems in reverse, but I'm not, I listen to people, I treat them the way I want to be treated and above all else I have the attitude that people will want me to be their agent when I speak to them. My last 5 clients were originally from Mexico, Egypt, Columbia, and two were from Texas (one of those two were an African-American family and the other were Anglo). You need to understand the things that are of utmost importance to your potential clients. Ethnic loyalty isn't the item in most cases, it's knowing they can trust you and that you will keep their business private, they are afraid that people within their own culture/ethnic group will tell their financial business to others in their community. When you meet people of your own group you need to give them the assurance that you not only understand their needs but that you have transitioned out of your culture so that you totally understand all of the nuances of the American real estate transaction and that what you hear will truly never go out into your community. Good luck.
4:21pm • #82
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Rama: Keep your head high. This is a country of opportunity. Believe in yourself and love what you do. The rewards will follow.

Like you, I thought I was somehow limited in reaching the sky due to my accent. However, American society is not as discriminating as you would think. People do not care about my accent or your skin color. They care on what we can bring to the table and the type of service we will provide.

So keep your head up and lets move on....Good luck.

 

6:28pm • #83
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Rama - thanks for bringing up an area that never gets talked about.  And for braving the comments.  I want to support you in your observations.  It happens. Life IS different for people of color and for people who are white , no matter how smart, talented, and good at the work the person of color may be-- and I won't even go into the nuances of gender, ability, sexual orientation, etc!  And I want to support Julia's support of you -- especially her comments about  white privilege.  We who are white swim in it and do not even see it.  It takes effort to see, and acknowlege and then make a decision to not blindly participate in it.  The hardest work I ever did was when I was a consultant on diversity and worked with people to create anti-racist, gender-fair work environments, and taught individuals who wanted to be diversity consultants how to recognize and deal with their own complicity in the system.  Most of us - white and of color - participate in some way.

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Alexsandra, I am so thankful for your comments and also thankful to everyone else for their comments and feedback. I think you have summed it up for me in the most apt manner.I was not whining but epxressing what I felt. My experience in the US, taught me to always to be politically correct and never mention the word color- and I did not till now. I am a brave person and yet it took a lot of mustering up my guts to talk about the discrimination or the "Glass ceiling" that I spoke about. I have lived in 3 continents- Asia, Africa and The US. I have noticed that even in my own home continent of Asia, our own people sideline us to give privileges to the white person. I sincerely believe that unless and until, more people like myself, who face this, come out in the open and talk about it, without attacking any race or gender- then we can all get a better understanding of our privileges and challenges. It has been my experience that there is not one continent on this planet where colored people do not get discriminated against and there is no continent where white people do not get extra perks......
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I'm sorry Rama, but this just doesn't fly with me at all.  We have a black president, the best golfer in the world is black, 90% of all NBA players are black or internationals (that leaves only 10% white), just recently our NAR president was black, the richest entertainer in the world (Oprah) is black.  The governor of Louisiana is an Indian-American, we have congressmen and women who are gay, muslim, and the list goes on and on. 

If you are being rejected, it's because people don't feel comfortable around you for some reason, and it has nothing to do with your skin tone.  The reason why racism and prejudice continues in our country is because of posts like this that just keep bringing it up over and over again.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen on occassion TO ALL OF US, but it's not the deciding factor in success or failure for anyone. 

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02
2010
Rama, Being an asian and from your country, I am with you. I share your pain. I am currently in the market looking for a house actively and i didn't choose my skin color person as my agent b'cos I didn't know any agent from San Ramon at that time. But, I came across your listings couple of times and somehow it didn't materialize for me. After being the market for some time, the realtor business/job is more of an insider trading job now. This is what I feel after giving so many offers to so many houses. Being Honest in this field is very tough and finding a realtor with this quality is very rare. One example: In Oct, I gave an offer to one of the at Glencoe circle for over asking price around 840K. But, this house closed on Jan15th'10 for merely 750K. This was listed as short sale. I am sure, my offer was good enogh to get the house but when I came to know abt the sale in January, my agent told me that sometimes, agents work with sellers in short sale scenarios to sell the house to a relative or friend to make money. So, who is at fault? Who lost money here? Who is the looser? This is one such incident and a very well know one was for a house at sandalford way. Also, in some incidents, the agents are owner and seller of the house and when they list, it's way out of market proportions. Like everyone, they purchased the house as investment property but can they treat them like President of this country. This is crazy. I feel angry and I don't like to deal with agents like them when i want to give an offer. When will these people realize that they are playing with people's money? Do you think, these kind of issues can be fixed? So, I am not sure whom to blame. I still don't have a house in contract with 200k in down payment and I don't know what to do next :)
raj
2:38am • #88
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Hi Raj, I am sorry you are having such a bad experience.Your comments have so much truth in them because we go through this everyday !! Insider trading- to some extent. Greed- 100% of the times.These agents are definitely trying to double end deals. I tried looking up the Glencoe but it is not showing up on the MLS....give me the address because one is still showing pending and the other Glencoe shows as a cancelled listing.
In short sales, it is not the agent alone who is an accomplice to shady dealings.The sellers are involved most of the times.The Sandalford house ws the biggest fraud in Windemere. The agent is a crook and he sold it someone for all cash. He defrauded the bank, who was his client and lied to all of us that tthe bank preferred the all cash offer- when we are sure he submitted only one offer.
I hear your frustration and I share it with you.These issues cannot be fixed till the consumers take action and demand action from the DRE. I report many cases to my board but these guys get away with it because we cannot ask them to produce paper work to validate what they are doing.Maybe consumers should take some form of legal action or report them to the feds( who BTW are investigating all kinds of mortgage and RE frauds). Hang in there and when there is more inventory you will find your home. Right now agents who have listings are manipulating the market(ugh) one more time and consumers and their agents are letting them get away with it. I would love to chat with you offline sometime.........

9:32am • #89
Hi Rama, thanks for your reply. Yes, the agents with current listings are manipulating the market. The house that I mentioned at Glencoe is: 3258 Glencoe Circle San Ramon 94582 1/20/2010 $750,000 Sorry, I mentioned the sale date was Jan15th above but actually it was closed on Jan 20th. In Current market, this house is valued more than 850K but now someone walked away by cheating another person. I will have a chat with you sometime soon.
Raj
1:07pm • #90
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Raj, Glencoe shows as a cancelled listing on the MLS

10:48pm • #91
MAR
08
2010
Yes, MLS is updated with Cancelled status but please check Tax records for proof of sale. On Jan 20th, the house changed hands :)
Raj
2:58pm • #92
AUG
02
2010

Yes, it did change hands.  Would like to understand why it sold so low.

Heidi
5:26pm • #93
AUG
03
2010

It looks like a private sale took place. Cannot know any further details from the tax records. Who knows what kind of deal was pulled off and if the short sale bank was hoodwinked. There is definitely something very mysterious about this sale

Rama
11:33am • #94

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