A UFF agent placed the following scenario of a client he was putting into a Money Merge Account on one of my blog posts...

The client had just closed on a $244,000 mortgage at 6.875% Fixed for 30 years, which creates a $1,602.91 monthly payment since it is fully amortizing.  I wish I had talked with this client before he closed as I could have saved him thousands.  The client makes $4,616 per month, of which $1,000 is said to be discretionary.

The UFF agent goes on to provide a fairly accurate representation of what the client could do on his own versus using an MMA or other mortgage acceleration product.  That is, if the client simply added $1,000 per month to his mortgage payment as added principal, the mortgage would be paid off in 11.17 years (August 2018).  He goes on to say that if the client uses the Money Merge Account the mortgage would be paid off in January 2017 instead, a full 1 year and 8 months earlier.

Where I disagree and the facts the UFF agent mentions in his client's analysis are in regards to using equity management strategies to focus on investing money instead of paying off the mortgage.  Some of the benefits of doing this strategy instead are increased safety, liquidity and even rate of return.  Also, you would undoubtedly be able to receive greater than a 4% rate of return as used in his comparison.  Additionally, he fails to factor in the benefits of tax deductions and their inclusion into the overall plan.

So, as is typical in the way these things are marketed, misinformation is used to show the only real solution is to use their Money Merge Account product, when in reality other options may in fact be better. 

Here is the more accurate comparison, using simply 6% rate of return on the investments, an easily achievable return.  If the client used a 30 Year Interest Only loan and simply invested the $1,000 plus $205 difference in payment (payment compared to fully amortized payment), then the mortgage COULD be paid off in the same time frame as if he sent in extra monthly payments.  However, he would be better prepared to handle any emergency down the road because his money is easily available to him.

Now, if the client also decided to invest the tax savings he received (my recommendation), this client would be able to pay off the mortgage in 9 years and 4 months, which is in fact 3 months faster than what the client could do with the Money Merge Account!!!

What is amazing is that the equity management approach offers greater flexibility to achieve even greater rates of return than 6%.  Imagine what 8% or greater could do for the client.  Unsure if you can earn that much?  Check out the Icelandic Krona.  The current rate on a 3-month CD is 11.75% (nearly 13% APY).  Since a CD is considered a safe investment, why can't you do that?  There are a multitude of places you can invest, but it depends on your "suitability".

I am not saying this particular client would be an ideal candidate for using equity management strategies.  What I am saying is that the client could have used a more balanced approach to his situation so he could make a truly informed decision.  Readers of this post, I ask that you please seek the guidance of a fully qualified mortgage professional that can assist you in determining the best solution for your specific needs.

 
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17 Comments on Money Merge Accounts: Are They Really Worth It (Another Case)

JUL
19
2007

Every one seems to think they are an expert...pay off your house early....then invest later...Are these people licensed to give Financial advise...NO! Otherwise they wouldn't give that advise because they also don't understand the time value of money. Are these people working for FREE? No....people just don't understand how this person is getting paid...through ignorance...

Who ever started this garbage about paying off your mortgage early? They don't understand how money works, they don't understand how insurance works. Why not leave it up to the professionals, rather than trying this get rich stuff. Ask the rich people what they do? They leverage their money to make more money. If it was a good way of doing it, the rich people would do it. Go see a real Registered Financial Advisor....If their isn't a license involved...then it's not lawfully regulated.

4:30pm • #1
Pem "BROKE" Pines, that right their answers the question.
4:31pm • #2
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Good post.  A local Realtor is getting into this mix and wants everyone to use the solution.  I agree that it is not always the best solution.  Liquidity is such a huge factor that many don't look at until it is too late.  
4:46pm • #4
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Chuck...Most of these agents are trained in their programs and how to sell them.  While the program is good for some and the training on the program is generally good, it is very one sided and certainly does not qualify anyone to be an "expert" in the overall industry, maybe in the product itself.  While licensing is a step in the right direction, many licensees don't know what they are talking about either.  Yes, most "rich" people do not pay off their mortgages and opt to continue leveraging their money instead. 

Also, this guy is located in West Palm Beach, not Pembroke Pines.  I kept his name out to protect his identity.

Shawn...Bi-weekly payments are not worth anything, especially not these days.  There are much better ways to go about handling your mortgage.  In my opinion, they are a complete waste of money, even the free programs.

Ronnie...Thanks.  It seems that everyone wants to get in on the latest fad to get rich quick.  While there are no "overrides", the pay well on the sale and the more people you have on your "team", the more you make per sale.  There are some who would benefit from these programs, but ALL options need to be looked at in an unbiased way.

5:16pm • #5
Thank you very much for sharing, this was good information! I think while a lot of people have good intentions with mortgage acceleration, I have yet to find a customer even 3 years later still following the plan. Unfortunatel, "life happens", they need money and refinance to take cash out or start using the money for other things instead paying the investment vehicle or their principle.
7:00pm • #6
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Robert... I totally agree that bi weekly's aren't as good as many seem to think. As I keep educating people daily, use your money wisely. My catch phrase, don't work for your house, but let your house work for you. Nice explanation here.

The biggest thing mentioned... so many people in our industry our stuck on one or two programs and push this only. 2 things pop into my head....  either A, this program makes them a lot of money.  or B... it's the only thing they know.  good job.

jeff belonger

8:39pm • #7
JUL
20
2007
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Robert,  Great post.  I am getting tired of being e-mailed trying to have me buy into these mortgage accelerator programs.  I feel you can do so much more with your money besides tie it up in concrete and can't get it out.  These people I feel are just looking for a quick and easy buck.
7:39am • #8
JUL
21
2007
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Hi Robert,

You're good at stirring up controversy. I'm subscribing to your blog so that I don't miss the next one.

This "C C" who says "Go see a real Registered Financial Advisor...." is full of crap. They are just insurance and mutual fund salesmen.

If the issue is utilizing a mortgage for liquidity and wealth building, then who better than a mortgage professional to advise them?

I agree with you that having your money in a side account is much better than paying down the mortgage even if there weren't tax advantages for doing it. Safety is number one advantage to a side account. Return on "equity" is the number two advantage to the side account. Equity in the house gives zero return.

Stir the pot some more!

Bill Roberts

1:49pm • #9
JUL
23
2007
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Shane...I am glad you enjoyed the info.  I have not met anyone yet that is more than 1 year into these programs, so I cannot say for people sticking with them.  Life does throw things at you, so everyone must be prepared and focusing on paying off your mortgage as to investing may lead to financial destruction.

Jeff B...I agree that too many people in our industry are stuck on one product or even one solution.  There are a vast array of strategies out there and mortgages can be, and should be, "customized" for the individual client.

Matt...These programs are being marketed heavily.  In fact I will be doing two posts (one is up already) on issues surrounding the marketing of these products, one on the Asher Institute and the other isn't about them, rather on presentation skills as I witnessed during one of their sessions over the weekend.

Bill...Controversy can be very interesting at times.  While I do not "try" to create controversy, I do occossionally write about controversial subjects and there are many controversies surrounding Money Merge Accounts and other Mortgage Acceleration Programs.  I like the programs themselves as they do benefit some people, but they are marketed in deceptive ways, one of which is the subject of this post.

12:02pm • #10
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Robert - good info... most people's views of mortgage strategizing are myopic at best....

  • the BI-WEEKLY program is structure where it doesn't need to me - want to make an extra payment a year? so do it - but don't let the lender MAKE YOU do it
  • the MMA is an expensive software program for what you could use a $3.99 calculator for....
  • and over-equitizing your home is a sure way for the majority of borrowers to run into cash management issues when most of their money is trapped in their homes
4:49pm • #11
JUL
28
2007

Robert:

It is funny how you didn't post my entire example on your blog and instead start ripping me apart. I am a mortgage professional and have been for 10 years, so I think I know just as much as you do when it comes to mortgages and leveraging one's money.

I currently own my condo free and clear at the age of 31 and I also took a HELOC out for the maximum amount the bank would give (I really don't care what the rate is, since it has a $0 balance), so if life throws something at me, I have a bunch of money I have access to. Now, I can start investing every last cent I have into whatever I choose for the next 34 years.

I am stupid for doing this? No. I live stress free, don't have to worry about my house being taken away because I can't make a mortgage payment. Don't have to worry about not having access to money. I think I'm doing better then 99% of people my age.

The problem I always see with your rebuttals to my posts is you think everyone is so smart. What you don't understand is if someone isn't paying extra to their mortgage now, then how do you think they are going to do with an equity management program like the one you are suggesting?

Here are the cold hard facts: The main reason people don't pay extra to their mortgage or ever pay it off is because they can't handle their finances on their own. Even people who have financial planners tend to go off the path of the planner's advice because they cannot be watched all the time.

What I truely like about the Money Merge Account is it keeps people accountable and it is something they can always look at to see how they doing. What almost everyone will argue about is the program costs too much, but then again, I don't think a financial planner would only charge $3,500 if they had to hand-hold a client. I'm sure that fee would be much more.

Truth be told, if the Money Merge Account was a free program everyone would suggest it to their clients, but because it costs money, it has to be a scam. How much money does it cost a client to refinance into the CMG Home Accelerator or Macquire loan? I bet a heck of a lot more then $3,500.

You can keep bashing the Money Merge Account all you want, but it is a financial plan which anyone can follow, stick to with little effort and without stressing themselves out.

1:12am • #12
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Charles,

First off, since you want people to see the original comment you did, I will post it in its entirety here after this comment.

I would like to commend you for being being in better financial shape than most.  Having a HELOC does help some, but is not a "cure all" for financial emergencies.  I am guessing you are single by your comment which means your expenses are generally lower, so the HELOC may be fine for your situation. 

You say that now you can invest every penny toward investments since you own your condo free and clear.  This suggests that you do not understand the time value of money as you are years behind in where your investments could have been. 

By the way, I never said you were stupid, simply highlighted the fact that the comparison you used was not a genuine comparison as people can earn more than 4% very easily.  That misinformation can lead to a wrong decision.  Also, it is not simply about mortgages and leveraging money.  Bringing more of a financial planning aspect into mortgages is what mortgage planning does.

There is no one strategy that works for everyone.  The Money Merge Account, Home Ownership Accelerator, or whichever is the best solution for some as I have stated many times before.  But what I want people to know is that there are other options out there that may be better for them, including strategic equity management.

You stated...

"Here are the cold hard facts: The main reason people don't pay extra to their mortgage or ever pay it off is because they can't handle their finances on their own. Even people who have financial planners tend to go off the path of the planner's advice because they cannot be watched all the time."

There is some truth in that statement I will admit.  But, how do explain why millions of Americans that have enough money to pay off their mortgages right now elect not to?  They also live stress free and "financially free" despite having a mortgage payment.  They maintain their mortgage because they know and understand how money works.

Truth be told, I would not recommend any mortgage acceleration program if it was not in the best interests of the client even if it was free!  Being free does not mean that it will not hurt them financially in the long run. 

Again, I am not bashing the Money Merge Account or any other mortgage acceleration program by themselves, just how they are being presented.  Yes, I do not like the $3,500 price tag UFF charges and others may charge more.  But then again, I do not recommend to any of my clients to do exactly what CMG states to do in their program (refi everything into their HELOC).  Therefore, the costs are minimal in the strategies I choose for them, almost always less than $3,500 and sometimes at no cost at all.

7:50am • #13
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Here is Charles' comment I based this post on...

"Here is a case study for a client I am putting into the Money Merge Account:

$244,000 @ 6.875% Fixed 30 Years =3D $1,602.91 monthly (just closed this month)

Discretionary income is $1,000 monthly. Clients make $4,616 a month.

IF they were to payoff the mortgage themselves using their discretionary income they would payoff their mortgage it would be paidoff on August 15, 2018. You can verify this by going to Bankrate.com:

http:///www.bankrate.com/brm/amortization-cal  

If they were to take their $1,000 a month and put it into a SAFE investment earning them 4% a year return, they would have $694,049.40. You can verify this by using this savings calculator (you need java):

http://www.domini.com/learning-planning/Investment-Calculators/Savings-Calculator/index.htm.

Now, that all sounds great, but lets look at the Money Merge Account:

Using the Money Merge Account the client will payoff their mortgage on JAN. 2017 which is 1 YEAR AND 8 MONTHS SOONER and they would have $995,584.83 in investments if they invest what their discretionary income + what they were paying on their mortgage for the remainder, which comes to $2,602.91 for 247 months.

So, which sounds like the smarter way to invest? As you can see, this client pays off their mortgage faster with the Money Merge Acount AND has more to retire on. So, I would suggest everyone get more informed about this product before they bash it. You can learn more on our website at http://www.mortgageaccelerationllc." 

Note:  Keep in mind my post showed that this same scenario, with only a 6% rate of return on the investment side, could pay off the mortgage 3 months earlier than the MMA could based on his example.  That is why I made the post.

7:59am • #14
JUL
30
2007

Robert:

In response to your comments on my post you stated the following:

"I am guessing you are single by your comment which means your expenses are generally lower, so the HELOC may be fine for your situation. "

Nope, I'm married. Although I don't know how thinking I was single came from my post??? BTW: My wife is a knockout :-)

"You say that now you can invest every penny toward investments since you own your condo free and clear.  This suggests that you do not understand the time value of money as you are years behind in where your investments could have been."

I paid off the condo in 3 years and still invested money in my IRAs during that time. So, as far as I'm concerned I really don't see how I left money on the table.

"But, how do explain why millions of Americans that have enough money to pay off their mortgages right now elect not to?"

Very easy, people have been programed by financial planners to keep the debt and invest. Now, how much commission do these people earn off their clients and do they really have their clients best interest in mind? Hack, I don't make a crap load of money for every Money Merge Account I sell, but I think that the typical American has the dream of own their home free and clear before they retire, so I think I have more of my client's best interest in mind.

In regards to your post, you stated:

"Also, you would undoubtedly be able to receive greater than a 4% rate of return as used in his comparison."

No kidding, but we have to use constant numbers when doing the comparison. So, if 4% is too low, then use 6, 8 or what ever you want. The investment return to the client would just be higher :-)

"Additionally, he fails to factor in the benefits of tax deductions and their inclusion into the overall plan."

Let's see, if you gave me a dollar and I gave you back .30 cents, how many times would you want to do that? This is the biggest misconception financial planners make to their clients. I don't see the benefit of "tax deductions" and if you know better, then please explain in detail.

"If the client used a 30 Year Interest Only loan and simply invested the $1,000 plus $205 difference in payment (payment compared to fully amortized payment), then the mortgage COULD be paid off in the same time frame as if he sent in extra monthly payments."

I could have put the client in an interest only loan too, but they wanted a fully amortized loan. They would have paid their mortgage off faster with an interest only loan and the Money Merge Account, but they felt more comfortable with the fully amortized payment. So, I think you comment above is off.

"Unsure if you can earn that much?  Check out the Icelandic Krona.  The current rate on a 3-month CD is 11.75% (nearly 13% APY)."

No offense, but I don't think this is a CD, but rather a Bond or Currency future. Sorry, but those aren't SAFE investments in my book. I would rather a client invest in a high dividend stock like PVX or PGH before that.

"What I am saying is that the client could have used a more balanced approach to his situation so he could make a truly informed decision."

I think the balanced approach you offered is a little off balance. Do you agree?

"Readers of this post, I ask that you please seek the guidance of a fully qualified mortgage professional that can assist you in determining the best solution for your specific needs."

I've been in the mortgage industry and a licensed mortgage broker since 1996, so I think I'm more then qualified, don't you.

Truth of the matter is you have your opinions and I have mine. What you think might work for some, might not work for others. So, I think we have to agree to disagree. The only thing I suggest is stop trying to give mortgage acceleration programs a bad name. These programs were designed to help the masses and even though the cost money, they do help people and that is all that counts. You and I are in the same industry and last time I checked, I earn a fee for my services as do you. Does that make you and I scammers, since people can go straight to a lender instead of paying us? No.

12:54pm • #15
JUL
31
2007
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Charles,

First off, thanks for the continued discussion and I agree that we disagree.  I like these discussions as they allow readers to see varying points of view in one place.

Now, the reason for guessing you were single is that, in my experience that people your age that live in condos are generally single (I was wrong, sorry and I apologize).  Without have a full spectrum of your situation, I can only guess, something I do not do with clients as I take them through a multi-step process to ensure they get on the right program.

As I stated befroe, you are definitely much better off than the vast majority of Americans, and this post is for them.  The time value of money basically means, due to compounding rates of return, that the more money you have working for you now, means the more you will have in the future (oversimplified).  I commend you again for being in the position to pay off the condo and invest at the same time, 99% of Americans cannot do that.

I disagree with your answer about the wealthy being "programmed by financial planners to keep the debt and invest".  The wealthy have been doing it for hundreds of years, basically since the invent of mortgages, and before "financial planners" really took hold.  That being said, the Journal of Financial Planning, the publication by the Financial Planning Association (CFPs), had sevral articles a few years ago that encouraged these concepts and still talk about it today.  Not for commissions, but because of the ability to leverage money to make money, the same thing the banks do.

Regarding tax benefits.  The tax rates are at their lowest right now (well, close to it), so the benefits may not been seen as clearly.  But remember back in the early '80s when President Reagan took office, the tax rates were up to 70%!!!  I would not be surprised if we head that way again, hopefully not that high though.  The higher the taxes, the less "net cost" of a mortgage, and the ëasier it will be to make money in tax-free investments.  That is the benefit of tax deductions, that you can keep the costs of borrowing down so you can make money elsewhere.  Again, doing exactly what the banks do.

My comment about Interest-Only was not off.  The point I was making, was not about simply placing them into an IO mortgage (anyone can do that), but that they could invest the money and be in a position to pay off the mortgage quickly, while maintaining a more flexible position (able to gain more rates of return and liquidity).

The Icelandic Krona investment I was talking about is a CD, not a Bond or Currency Future.  The rate of return is like a CDs, the only risk is exchange rate risk, which can be minimized if you know what you are doing and the term is only 3-months (hence the APY is significantly higher).  The point was that it is easy to find places to make more than 6% after tax or tax-free.  I do like your comparison with high yelding dividends which actually helps me prove my point.  I own PGH (currently yielding 15.6% in dividends) and I would also mention PTY.  While its yield is lower, it has a long track record of paying divdends (current yield is around 9.5%). 

So, using PGH, one could see how they can borrow at a net cost of about 4.875% and earn 15.6% (in an IRA or other tax-free vehicle) or, since dividends are taxed only at 15%, 13.26% after tax.  If I used that figure in my comparison, the mortgage would be paid off a lot faster than a MMA, as if the investments only did 6%, the investments could pay off the mortgage 3 months faster than the MMA.  Imagine what 15.6% or even 13% would do.  They could be in a position to pay off their mortgage faster and then invest every penny after that, thus being a much better strategy than the MMA ever could be in this case.  (I use 6% as I like to be very conservative in my comparisons.)

I disagree that my approach is not balanced.  In fact, many CFPs would say this is a much more balanced approach than paying off your mortgage.  Bert Whitehead (a CFP) wrote a book, titled Facing Financial Dysfunction, and mentions that fact.

No offense, but being a licensed mortgage broker since 1996 does not mean that you are necessarily more qualified than others.  Sure, you have been around for a while and are, more than likely, fully qualified to write mortgages.  But, when it comes to mortgage planning and equity management strategies, the level of expertise needs to go far beyond that.  I believe that you are one of the more qualified, even if we do not agree.  But, how many of those mortgage brokers, either new or "been around for years", do not know how to be advisors, and simply know how to do mortgages with no expertise beyond that.  That would be the vast majority in my opinion.

Yes, we have differences of opinions.  Where you are wrong though is that I am not "bashing" these programs.  I like mortgage acceleration programs for some and I have stated that numerous times.  The problem comes when people use false, misleading or inaccurate comparisons when providing solutions.  The Asher Instute report is a prime example.  This report twists reality and makes false statements.  I will not stand for that type of behavior and the consumer needs to know the truth. 

If you do not believe I like these programs, read this post (Equity Harvesting, Money Merge Accounts and the Benefits of Using Both) or talk to Jason Leone.  He misunderstood what I was trying to do, but realized later, particularly with the post above, that he had a misconception about me.  I am not hear to make friends, just to try and educate the consumer as much as I can.  The point is that people cannot make an informed decision if they were never educated properly.

Again, thanks for your continued discussion and for providing your opinion. 

9:50am • #16
AUG
03
2007

Actually the person who gave you that analysis simply wasn't telling the truth, the analysis run by UFF salesman contains a hidden trick that is used to deceive people such as yourself.  Given the following numbers:

The client had just closed on a $244,000 mortgage at 6.875% Fixed for 30 years, which creates a $1,602.91 monthly payment since it is fully amortizing.  I wish I had talked with this client before he closed as I could have saved him thousands.  The client makes $4,616 per month, of which $1,000 is said to be discretionary.

What the UFF agent will do is actually enter a WEEKLY income of $1154 and then set the expenses such that the report shows a monthly discretionary income of $1000.  However, this discretionary income is based on four weekly paychecks and really you receive an average of 4 1/3rd paychecks a month (4 extra paychecks per year).

So while their analysis is using the REAL discretionary income (which is  $384/mo more than stated) they present the discretionary income as being only $1000 so if you run a comparison (as you did) the results are inferior.

If you run the REAL discretionary income thru an amortization calculator ($1384/mo extra) you'll pay off the mortgage in  9 years and 3 months which is better (but close) to what the HELOC money shuffling scheme being marketing for $3500 does.  

They pull this same scam on every analysis that shows a weekly or bi-weekly paycheck.

The HELOC scheme adds no value, it is just a smokescreen to cover up the fact that the faster payoff is due to people making larger mortgage payments.  Who would pay someone $3500 if they knew the entire system was simply one of making larger mortgage payments out of pocket.

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