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By Todd Clark (Broker/Sales Coach) 503-524-9494

Last month I closed on a house, but there was something about the sale of this house I didn’t advertise because I didn’t want it to affect the sale. What was the issue? The sellers were in a nasty divorce and one thing is when buyers see divorce and they see a house for sale, they know that this could be the final step in the divorce and they low-ball offers hoping that the sellers just want to get the sale over with, so they can move on with their lives. (For the most part the buyers are right)

But, what do you say when a buyer’s agent calls you about the house and then asks, about the divorce? What? What divorce? This is where I had to play dumb! The buyer’s agent said “Clearly this is divorce and a nasty one, is this going to affect the close if we put an offer in?” I then asked, how do you know it is a divorce?

Divorce and selling your home

The buyer’s agent started to laugh and asked “When was the last time you were over at the house?” I said “Last Monday, why?” You may want to go over there, then you won’t have to ask me how I knew” So, I immediately got in my car and drove over, I had to find out what this agent was talking about. There it was in the driveway behind the house, a pile of woman’s clothes, jewelry, pictures and anything to do with the soon to be ex-wife.

I immediately called the husband who was still living in the house and asked what was up with the 5 foot pile of stuff in the backyard. He said “OH, she said she wanted her stuff back, so I told her she needed to come get it…Now! I thought it would help de-clutter the house.” I said “Yeah, but if someone sees that and puts an offer in, they know you are desperate to sell just to get the divorce over with, the offer we get today could be $15,000 less than you are asking, just because they know that you hate each other and want the divorce over with, that is why none of my advertising says this is a divorce.”

Sure, enough, while I was over there, we got 3 offers all $20,000 less than asking and all from the showings that weekend. I told him “Look, these offers wouldn’t have been this low had you just kept your emotions in check, but now we are in a tough situation, do we accept and move on or do we hope that after cleaning up this mess that we get a full price offer.”

The husband decided to spend $29.95 and get a moving truck to put the stuff in and then two days later we got a full price offer, the house was nice, but it wasn’t worth $20,000 less because people saw what they saw as an opportunity.

What do you do about the Ex-Factor?





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73 Comments on The Ex Factor… What do you tell a buyer’s agent when they ask about the divorce?

MAR
15
2010

Very true Todd and you definitely handled it like a pro.  Kudos to you!

8:53am • #1
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You have to hope the owners keep their cool and obviously yours didn't. If papers hve been filed the iformation will show up in the title report but most ikely the buyer will not see that until after negotiations are complete.

If the owners aren't up front with you about the situation, there is no way to caution them. Imagine saying, "Oh by the way, if you are thinking of divorcing, it could cost you plenty if the potential buyers find out."

8:55am • #2
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Very interesting situation Todd.  Quite a study in human psychology.  Nice work on holding off and cleaning up.

9:10am • #3
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Todd, I wouldn't disclose it because it is not a material fact...
Please don't come back as a PROXY Error,
Paul

9:38am • #4
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Protect your sellers at all costs because it could cost them dearly. You did a great job Todd in handling an emotionally charged situation with the husband.

10:06am • #5
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If the husband just kept his emotions in check, those low-ball offers might not have been so low.

This is a clear case of how not thinking with your head can cost you money.

1:31pm • #6
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Todd - OY VEY!  What a mess it could have been had you not been the mature professional that you are.  Those sellers were lucky to have someone like you on their side.  Don't be so quick to judge the buyers and their agents either.  Your sellers problems and issues are of no concern to them, they just want a great house at the lowest price they can get.

1:32pm • #7
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If my sellers are divorcing, I make sure they understand that neither one of them can be present during a showing.  This is too much of an opportunity for questions to be asked.  I am amazed at the number of times a seller and/or agent have offered divorce information voluntarily.  Even the buyers know that they shouldn't be armed with this information.  Good job in handling that situation, your seller should be thanking you profusely.

4:11pm • #8
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Todd ---- can you believe what some people do to themselves? Just amazing.
 
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4:44pm • #9
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Great post...information is king when you are putting together an offer.  Why give them the amunition they need to come in low? Sound like you handled it perfectly!

6:35pm • #10
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Todd, 

That has to be difficult to deal with.  Good keeping it in perspective how much they were hurting themselves!  It's not easy to keep a married couple happy during the process, let alone ones getting divorced. 

All the best, Michelle

7:58pm • #11
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Todd, you gave this guy excellent advice.  I, like you, would have kept the divorce a secret.  You work for the seller and as his agent want to get the best offer possible.  He's lucky he had someone like you to aid him in the sale of his home.

7:58pm • #12
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Todd - If a house screams divorce, like clothes on the lawn, it will definitely produce low offers.  It's best the house doesn't show signs of divorce nor should it be disclosed to buyer's or their agents.

8:23pm • #13
MAR
16
2010
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Great divorce clip art Mr. Todd!!!

 

 

12:16am • #14
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Selling your home is stressful enough and then adding divorce to the situation can be a very stressful thing, but letting the buyers know can take a huge chunk out of your pocket book.

5:40am • #15
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A very interesting post. However, when representing a buyer, I would not presume that a divorcing couple is desperate to sell. Knowing the information I may advise my buyer to write a low ball offer, but if it would not be accepted and they were really interested, we would write a more reasonable offer. You did a great job explaining and helping him realize that his reaction was costing him $10,000. In our area, Lancaster, PA, it is very difficult to keep this information under wraps. Our county system is online and I tend to check any property and my buyer is interested in online, as well as the sellers. If papers have been filed it is on our system.

Thanks Todd for sharing this situation. I love learning from these experiences.

Cal

6:31am • #16
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Great story Todd.  Interesting how many people are ready to jump on others misfortunes.

7:37am • #17
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Really like the way you handled this, Todd. Your seller is fortunate to have you as part of the team.

8:24am • #18
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Same reason I tell sellers to keep quiet about ANYTHING that might have to do with motivation and why I tell buyers who can't wait and go through open houses to say absolutely nothing to the listing agent.  You don't want to give away your edge.

Glad you could get the situation under control and help them in spite of themselves!

 

 

8:39am • #19
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Todd, you handled this case superbly.  Another clue as to a divorce situation is the condition of the master closet.  If one of the parties has moved out, it's a good idea to leave at least some clothes hanging in the closet, as it's a dead giveaway, even without the pile in the yard!  Another differing idea is that sometimes a divorcing couple will hold out for even more money because, with having two households to fund, they "need" more! 

8:45am • #20

Todd, you handled this like a real pro. the seller should be very grateful.

8:52am • #21
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Boy, You actually need to thank that buyer's agent for giving you a heads up so you could "handle" it. Well Done......Vivian

8:53am • #22
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I agree with Sharon...a master closet with clothes for one always screams divorce....especially when you see the tax record/last deed shows a couple.

A pile of stuff screams:  I'm intent on proving why a divorce is necessary.

 

The husband's action did have one bright spot....he put the pile in the backyard....instead of the front.

:-)

Good luck to his wife.

9:28am • #23

Todd, congrats for handling this situation so well.  I see this situation happening often.  Recently I took a client to an open house, and the "agents first word out of his mouth was... they are desperate, it is a divorce".  I couldn't believe what I had just heard.  When the agent gave me his card... he was not the listing agent!!!  Needless to say, my clients wanted to really low ball the offer.  Tough situation!!

9:33am • #24

Great story. Thank so much for sharing it. There are so many times when clients on either side need to keep their personal business quiet. It's good to have an example where an agent saved the day for his client.  

10:03am • #25

Real Life Real Estate!  You did a great job for your sellers in a bad situation...  When representing a buyer in an "obvious" split - even without a pile of remnants on the lawn - usually there is one side of the walkin closet missing clothes of the opposite sex - I let the buyer know good deals aren't always to be had.  Sometimes the contrary, as BOTH are still on title, and the proceeds of the sale are divided.  Often times the "Divorce Deal" costs them more to close. At the end of the day, we Realtors must remember our Agency Representation and disclosing information about either party that isn't material to the sale can land us in hot water! 

10:26am • #26
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I havew had to deal with a number of Ex Factor homes over the years. My favorite was when the soon to be X Mrs. Seller took all of the pictures in the house and tore out soon to be X Mr. Seller. THAT was quite a statement!

10:26am • #27
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Great post and handled well! Sometimes clients don't think about these things and how they affect the sale. That's why we are there to help! Giving personal situation details out is a big no no in my book and also illegal unless permission from the client is given.

11:19am • #28
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Great job on handling an emotionally charged situation!

11:19am • #29
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GREAT post!  You handled it perfectly and professionally; and your clients were lucky they had you as an agent!

11:40am • #30

The silver lining of this story is that the husband sold all of his wife's stuff in a yard sale for $20,000, making up the difference.

11:45am • #31
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Wow!  As they say, "Divorce is ugly and so is you ex!"

12:23pm • #32
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Hi Todd,  Funny how savvy buyers are when they see something amiss about a listing.  Sad but true !

1:20pm • #34

Hum, I think you should look to your agency agreement for your answer. In your state do you ask your clients for anything that they want to remain confidential (outside of adverse facts of course) and you need to abide by their decision. If you knew about the divorce and where asked directly about it from the buyer's agent, absent a request for confidentially, I think you should have disclosed and stated your professional opionion "that will not affect the market price of this house however"...If you did not know about the divorce, did not ask your clients nor became aware of this change in facts, then you probably were not taking all the steps towards representing your sellers...Sorry.

1:40pm • #35
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Huh? The comment above (#35) mystified me.  Every state's listing agreement differs.  In Maine, I am required to disclose material facts or defects about the home.  I certainly do not need to disclose my client's personal circumstances.  Nor would I.  Nor can I, if it has an adverse effect.

Great job on this one, Todd.  I have to say, I hate to see the vulture effect.  It's great that you got the Seller a full price offer!

1:58pm • #36
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I have been through a nasty divorce.  It is hard to take the emotion out of it.  Years latter I can see how I might have handled many things better, but between the hurt and the stress it does not happen.  Even if I could have taken my emotions out of it my it does not mean my ex could have. 

2:54pm • #37

Yes; we are Marriage Counselors and Realtor!

Rocky Rovedatti
3:08pm • #38
295,076 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I feel your pain: we're currently handling not one, not two, but THREE divorce situations. Pass the valium, please...

You did a great job handling a really sticky wicket, Todd! We may be contacting you for advice should we encounter...difficulties. :-D

4:48pm • #39
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I always say " The Sellers personal business is not up for discussion."  ... And then stop talking.  The Agent USUALLY moves on to their next question.

4:51pm • #40

Todd,

Thanks for the reminder of all the many facets we manage during the sale of a home.   Great job!

Sandra

5:27pm • #41
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This reminds me of why I want to stay married...41 years and counting my blessings!

5:33pm • #42
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This reminds me of why I want to stay married...41 years and counting my blessings!

5:33pm • #43

Re;  #35:  In Texas we have a TREC form which specifically states what information (short sale, appliances convey, moving to be near family, etc) we are allowed to reveal.  If it isn't on that form (Seller's Authorization to Release and Advertise Certain Information), we are not allowed to reveal it.  This does not cover material data about the house, (cracked slab, hail damage not repaired, etc.) of course.

6:31pm • #44

Re;  #35:  In Texas we have a TREC form which specifically states what information (short sale, appliances convey, moving to be near family, etc) we are allowed to reveal.  If it isn't on that form (Seller's Authorization to Release and Advertise Certain Information), we are not allowed to reveal it.  This does not cover material data about the house, (cracked slab, hail damage not repaired, etc.) of course.

6:32pm • #45
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it's not their business if it's a divorce. period. play dumb. keep moving.

6:48pm • #46
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Good blog Todd.  Nothing like shooting your self in the wallet

7:27pm • #47
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Same thing as you did.  As John says, why not blow a hole in your own wallet!  Why would the owner think no one would figure it out?

7:36pm • #48
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Thanks for the blog, Todd. I've got two divorcing couples as clients, and trying to get them to cooperate with each other just enough to get the property sold is really straining my nerves. It's a hellish situation to be caught in the middle as we are. Good job holding it together.

8:14pm • #49
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Wow, Todd! Way to step in and take the bull by the horns!  Because of your straight shooting w/your client, you made him and his almost ex an extra $20 grand.

8:16pm • #50

Great job and post! A divorce is personal business and not a material fact therefore does not need to be disclosed (despite #35 comment).

11:04pm • #51
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I prevent the problem fro happening in the first place by telling the sellers that no one needs to see any of their problems but me because if they do, they will be selling the house for a lot less.  When the buyers agent ask me why they are selling, I tell them they are divorcing, but that it is amicable and there will be no issues from the sellers side and there is also no emergency since one or both are still living in the house.  Of course, I do not tell them anything unless they ask.

11:37pm • #52
MAR
17
2010
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Todd - I read this with great interest as I am getting anew listing where this will be an issue. I am not an ttorney but it seems to be this is not  a material fact and there does not need to be disclosed. Buyers do not need to know what a seller is selling. But I understand their rationale for asking.

Jeff

12:00am • #53
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Wow, you got a lot of people agreeing with you and one clearly not. I think you did the right thing, it sounded like you played dumb, then confronted the sellers to fix the problem and avoided them losing thousands because of their anger toward their spouse. You even said in your post that you never told him it was a divorce, you just asked what makes you think it is a divorce. You never said it was, that was just what the agent assumed and granted he was right, but you never said he was.

6:26am • #54

Ahh, the very root of what agency is all about.  Under Virginia agency law, the listing agent has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the clients information and are under no obligation to give personal information out to others that could negatively impact an offer.  Furthermore, unless an agent who is with a buyer has a buyer agency agreement signed with that buyer, they fall under the same fiduciary obligations as the listing agent, through subagency, that the listing agent has to follow.   Any material facts about the house must be disclosed, but personal information does not meet that requirement unless it is concerns  the house being a short sale or foreclosure, and that must be disclosed in the Listing. 

Probably the hardest thing in the world, for us as agents, is to stand silent when asked revealing qestions by the buyers and their agents concerning seller motivations.  You really handled it in a professional manner and your clients should expect nothing less from us as Realtors.  We all work both sides of the fence and we have to remember our roles and whom we are representing in the transaction.  Great post!

Mike Anastasia
7:28am • #55

You did a great job, Todd. Luckily the clean up worked and you got the correct price. I have always found it difficult to answer the "Why are they selling?" questions from buyers/buyer's agents. When it's a divorce that's particularly difficult. I believe buyers are curious from a superficial standpoint and largely ask wanting to rule out any major defect in the house. They certainly do not want to hear: Oh the flooding in the basement every Spring is getting tiring for the owners.

I wonder if, Like Jirius #52, it can be best to let it be known up front if it is going to be obvious that it is a divorce situation. Presenting as 'not a problem' seems to have merit. That would have to be with the agreement and permission of the sellers of course.

My initial advice would be to keep it confidential as you did. Since it not a material condition, and not a required disclosure (unlike a short sale, for example, which must be disclosed even though it obviously has detrimental effect on the potential sale price), the best advice is to keep it confidential. As long as the sellers are keeping it in control, the price is not effected negatively. Once it becomes obvious, probably by the obvious absence of half the household goods or such, then it seems best to admit it, when asked, and assure the buyer's agent that you have control to get to closing smoothly. Without such assurance buyer's may reject the possibility of making even a low offer, especially since there are usually other options in today's market.

George Walsh
8:23am • #56

I keep my mouth shut, just as you did!  You're right, people do see opportunity if a divorce is evident.  It's like leaving a notice of deliquency payment on the counter while the house is being shown!  Plus, it's really none of anyone else's business.  I avoid talking about it at all costs, but sometimes it becomes obvious, as in your case!  You handled it well, congrats to you!

9:24am • #57
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I once had to speak with a soon-to-be-ex about the kinds of books she left laying around.  The titles made it clear what was going on! This gets all the more complicated when one party really DOESN't want to sell!

10:17am • #58
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Well done handling the situation. I am sure you did not need a stress, but most importantly all end up with success! Give yourself a cudos.

3:59pm • #59
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Todd,

Please forgive me, but why did you think they were selling?

Divorce like every other pending suit is public recorded! In most cases you can easily check these records on line, in almost all areas you can hire a service to check them! Ask your title company!

My students would know how to check these records, more importantly they'd check them!

I will not draw conclusions.

Bill

8:30pm • #60
MAR
18
2010
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Smart thinking on your part, Todd, That's why they're lucky to have you as an agent. You definitely saved the day. I hope that the sale went through fine.

9:08pm • #61
MAR
19
2010
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Well played on your part Todd.  Great advise for your client.

3:00am • #62

Sounds like it was the sellers lucky day when they hired you to sell their house. That is a story for the books!

4:42pm • #63
MAR
29
2010
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Goes to show how a home buyers or sellers emotions can get the best of them.  Emotions in a real estate transaction can be very harmful.

7:56am • #64
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27
2010
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You handled this most professionally, but the seller may not realize how lucky he was that there was another buyer in the wings - there is no room for this kind of misstep in many markets or with many properties.

8:19pm • #65
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Todd, you are a master at communication! It's in your blogs and here is a primo example of one tough situation that could have blown sky high if not handled diplomatically but effectively. Kudos!

11:07pm • #66
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28
2010
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Sounds like you handled very well. I currently am trying to sell my own home from a former marriage...it has not been easy..

5:00am • #67
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What we always do...

Help them come to terms with the fact that selling and moving on is in their best interest. Being stuck in the past leaves no room for the future. They usually listen.

TLW...ROAR!

6:24am • #68
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Handled well and I would told the Buyers Agent "Not a material fact to the house itself next question." The seller did it to himself though so, lol.

2:19pm • #69

Kudos for getting him to "clean up"!!

I play ignorant to my seller's personal issues. 

5:06pm • #70
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Buyers love to smell BLOOD IN THE WATER like that! Good idea to wait and see if you could get higher offers after getting rid of the pile.

6:35pm • #71
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Your market must be better than mine. My advice to my seller is I would not wait for a better offer - sign the contract. But, I would have done the same as you and not disclosed the information.

6:48pm • #72
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27
2010
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You did handle it will Todd, and it got them more money than the pile brought...

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