07 August 2007 - Madison, Wisconsin

The Money Pit.In MovieLand, if a movie is good, a sequel is better - and a third is ALWAYS better.  Oh sure.  So, with that same fallible logic, I present the third installment of my mini-series on Home Inspections as perceived by me.  Third time's a-charmin'.

In two previous blogs Home Inspection Tips and Cautions and For Your Vexation Get a Home Inspection I discussed my misadventures with the inspection process and invite participants to listen to a real pro from A-Pro.  Now I take the counsel of Kimberly St. Louis of A-Pro Home Inspection Services and add it to my biased opinion and give you the conclusions here.

On Your Home-Your Money I asked Kimberly the following questions.  I will paraphrase the answers.

  1. Should the Seller be there during the inspection, especially if the listing agent is NOT?
  2. Should the Buyer attend the inspection with the Inspector?  Some issues come up:  such as liability, risk, collusion, safety, insurance, bonding...  My Buyer was in the attic, on the roof, etc?!?!
  3. Do you think the inspection - which is an option written into all Wisconsin OTP contracts - should be ordered by the Lender rather than the Buyer?
  4. Any tips for Homeowners as they ready to sell, such as a "pre-emptive" inspection to ready the home?  Are there areas where they can make things easier on themselves?

Now here's how her answers:

  1. Yes, the Seller SHOULD be present, if only to answer questions of the Inspector.  Kimberly said that she actually watches the Seller a little, if she sees him distracted or uneasy in certain areas, she takes special interest in that area.           (MY CONCLUSION:  Homeowner - Put on a Poker Face or stay clear.)A-Pro Logo
  2. The Buyer SHOULD attend the Home Inspection so explanations can be given.  As to the Buyer crawling in the attic or climbing onto the roof, it is INCORRECT to assume the Inspector's insurance will cover any incidents, destruction, or accidents.  Not all inspectors HAVE insurance or are bonded.                                                                                                                                    (MY CONCLUSION:  Homeowner - Allow the Buyer to access only the normally inhabited areas of your property.  Let the Inspector play SpiderMan alone.  I suggest an agreement and a waiver prior to any access.)
  3. Have Lenders mandate inspections?  Tough question.  If the lender requires it, it becomes part of the lending package.  And, as the language of the Inspection Report is in fluent CYA-ese, it's unlikely any loans would EVER be approved.                (MY CONCLUSION:  Homeowner - The system stinks,  it has evolved from safety to include perfection and cosmetics.  But keep the lender out of it.)
  4. Kimberly St. Louis believes that if a Seller is serious about selling, then get a Pre-Emptive home inspection yourself.  Then correct what's there and update the Condition Report.  Then if the Buyer wants to perform an inspection, he can.  It is also FAR CHEAPER for the Seller to make repairs and corrections - even with a contractor - than to cave in on price.  Far cheaper.  (MY CONCLUSION:  Don't leave the Inspection to chance.  Control it.  The money you net out will be greater that way.  Get YOUR inspection first.)

So there you have it, from the inspection pro.  

I would add this, before allowing ANY inspector access to your property, INSIST - in writing - that they be licensed, certified, insured and bonded - and provide PROOF of same.  Protect yourself. 

And I would suggest that you have the Buyer agree - in writing - to remain in the home's living areas.  Perhaps go so far as to require a waiver of liability, should that not work or the you will not be present during the inspection.  Should your perspective Buyer slide off your roof and face-plant on your driveway, this may not seem so extreme.  And if he falls through your ceiling while dancing in your attic, the question of repairs will be answered.  Suppose he inhales some toxic mold and croaks - thinks the family might find a slick attorney?  Or if it's 4 years down the road, and the ailment can be traced to exposure in your crawlspace - are you safe? 

If we as Sellers have to put up with this garbage (because it can become a nit-picky money-grabbing contest quite easily), make sure the liability is squarely on someone else's shoulders.  You wouldn't let your neighbor walk around on your roof - why a stranger? 

Licensed.  Certified.  Insure. Bonded.  Plus proof.

 

Art Blanchet

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Your Home-Your Money

 

5 Comments on Home Inspection Tips and Cautions - The Final Chapter

AUG
08
2007
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Great info/advise Art. Always advisable. A couple of home inspectors I refer that are insured, bonded, certified, licensed have liability and service agreements for the buyer to sign etc.
12:29am • #1
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You are protecting your clients, Sally - good find!  (And a reminder to all of us - there ARE such pros out there if you dig deep enough.)
12:54am • #2
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Right on advice..I'm at every home inspection and so is my client.. whether it is the buyer or the seller.. how else can you differentiate between the small stuff and the really important items..

1:46am • #3
AUG
24
2007

Art-

Home inspections should be serious business. From the Buyer's Agent POV, a home inspection can bring up problems that a walk-through might not. And I do encourage my buyers to be present at the inspection, and I am there as well. It is a learning opportunity for all. I tell my buyers that all homes have problems and the home inspection not only brings up serious habitability issues, if present, but the inspectors I use give small but useful advice as they go through the inspection. The inspector uses the inspection as a time to educate the buyers ie., "This is only a hairline crack. That is typical and not a problem, but you should use X product to fill it in now so it doesn't become a problem..." I learn, the buyers learn, it's a great thing.

The buyers are not allowed to climb the roofs, my inspectors take great pix along the way and post them online so the buyers can see the roof and crawl space. It's about documentation and giving information and a great inspector loves educating buyers. It's not about a witch-hunt for items so we can nickel and dime the seller.

From the Listing Agent POV, I don't encourage pre-listing inspections because the inspector is then working for the seller, and a great inspector will tell you that it their job to find problems, so something will likely show up in the buyer's inspection anyway. I do encourage the seller to be present for the inspection, but to make themselves scarce. Present if needed, but stay out of the way.

The rule-of-thumb fwiw, is basic habitability issues need to be corrected by the seller, unless we are dealing with bank-owned property, or it states "Seller will make no repairs...". The small stuff is small stuff. That's where good negotiating comes into play, and hopefully both sides are dedicated to working together to put a deal through that is fair to everyone. Regardless of who I represent, deals where one side feels they are getting screwed are no fun for anyone. We work hard to get to a "meeting of the minds" and to have that fall apart because of petty things is frustrating.

That's more than .02 worth. It sucks you are going through this.

 

 

11:34am • #4
DEC
30
2008
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Good ideas, especially about having buyers remain in the living areas.  I thought that's why they hire an inspector go go in the attic and in the crawl space, but I guess some eager beavers WOULD want to follow them into the attic or crawl space.  Figures.  You see everything.


Sarah in Nashville

11:41am • #5


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