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Big brokerages will die a slow death via referral fees

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with findwell

Today Redfin was touting the merits of their agent partner program. They claim to to have 200 partner agents across the country in their program from big brokerages like Century 21, Coldwell Banker, Keller-Williams and John L. Scott. The program is pretty simple. Redfin screens for quality agents to join, they provide high quality referrals from their website, and agent quality standards are upheld via customer reviews. In return for the referrals from the Redfin website, agents pay a 30% referral fee from their commission. 15% is paid to Redfin for the referral, and the other 15% is given back to the client as a rebate. On a $300,000 purchase, Redfin would receive a referral fee of $1350.

This referral concept is as old as our profession, and there are countless players out there touting similar models. However, with the rise of popular internet search sites (Redfin, Estately, Sawbuck, etc), the big brokerages should be ashamed that their agents need to participate in these referral plans and terrified that their agent’s loyalty to their office is in jeopardy. By tacitly allowing their agents to participate in their competitor’s referral programs, the big brokerages are undermining their own value to agents, and fueling the development of their competitors’ websites. This will eventually lead to their demise.

Why aren’t big brokerages procuring quality leads for their agents?

Real estate agents who hang their license at big brokerages often pay hefty desk fees and commission splits. Annual caps on their split limit their fees, but it is certainly not uncommon for agents to pay $20,000-$30,000/year for the privilege of being an agent at one of these brokerages. That is a hefty sum of money. What do brokerages provide in return? They give you somewhere to hang your license, training to make sure that said license remains active, a brand name to work under, and broker oversight to keep everyone in compliance. They don’t usually give you any office space, office supplies or any other basic business expenses, without paying for the privilege. Evidently they also don’t give their agents any quality leads because their agents are so willing to sign up for referral programs from external companies.

Given the high fees that agents pay to these brokerages, it is astounding that the brokerages do not have a reliable method to source new, high-quality prospects for their agents. They have well-recognized brands, large budgets for their websites and should be able to craft a web presence that drives high-quality prospects to their agents. With the rise of these referral programs, here are some thoughts on why it is not working.

  1. Big brokerages don’t care how their agents source new clients. Each of their agents runs an independent business, and the brokerage gets their recurring desk fees and commission splits, regardless of how those agents find new clients. As long as agents close a handful of deals each year, the brokerage is ensured to get their desk fees and commission splits and will remain profitable.
  2. Big brokerages cannot figure out how to craft a compelling website, despite having millions of dollars to make that happen. They haven’t been listening to what internet consumers want, and are not well-versed in how to optimize their internet presence for search engine traffic.
  3. Big brokerages remain tied to the idea that “less is better” on their websites. By limiting property information that they display on their websites, brokerages try to increase the value of contacting their agents. What is happening is that the sites with robust data about homes are rocketing in popularity while the old, information-poor websites languish.
  4. Big brokerages are not financially incented to sell more homes. They are incented to recruit a high number of low-producing agents, who end up being more profitable to the brokerage than high-producing agents who hit their commission caps every year.

Referral programs funnel profit away from big brokerages

Large brokerages who allow their agents to participate in referral programs are letting revenue slip away from their office at an alarming rate. Let’s take a simple example. Agent A works for Big Broker X. They have an annual cap of $25,000 in fees, which they meet almost every year. Agent A signs up for Redfin’s referral program and sources 11 clients for the year, at an average sale price of $250,000. The referral program charges 30% of their commission for the referrals, which is $24,750. While Redfin rebates half of that to their customers, it still reflects a $24,750 that their agent is willing to pay to a third party, rather than Big Broker X. Clearly agents are willing to pay these amounts because the most difficult part of this business is to source your next client. But if I were the owner of Big Broker X, I would be alarmed that my agents are paying the same amount to me in desk fees/splits that they are paying to external companies to source quality leads. If I were Big Broker X, I would find ways to stem the flow of revenue away from my agents and brokerage and provide a similar source of quality leads to my agents. In fact, shouldn’t my desk fees and commission splits pay for high-quality leads for my agents? That seems logical from an agent perspective.

Long-term viability of brokerages relies on agent loyalty

Big brokerages and their brand-names exist to serve the needs of their agents. By maintaining a strong brand, brokerages are able to attract thousands of agents to sign up with their office and pay their ongoing fees and splits. Retaining agents is a tough job, as switching brokerages is easy and done all of the time by agents seeking “greener pastures.” The long-term viability of big brokerages is threatened by referral programs because they are either unwilling or incapable of generating quality leads for their own agents. It is not hard to imagine a future where agents leave big brokerages in droves. If I pay $25,000 to a referral program to source 10 closings per year, why should I pay another $25,000 in desk fees and commission splits to my brokerage. Either agents will join referral companies directly or start small, independent offices that do not carry the overhead required by big brokerage brands.

He who trims the fat is going to win

Referral fees are laden with profit for the companies who receive them. If you have been in the business for any length of time, you know how profitable it is to receive a 20%-30% referral fee. You don’t do any work, but get a fat paycheck for the referral. The receiving agent remains happy to pay the large amount because it is so darned difficult to find new clients. Redfin takes a 15% fee for their referrals and said in 2009 that the average fee they collected was $1,110 per referral. That is a pretty large amount of money, and they do little to no work to receive it, other than creating their website and funneling clients to agents in their program. They claim that they have a 50% gross margin on each of these referrals. Other referral programs don’t have consumer rebates, so profit margins are likely higher through some of the other programs out there.

In the long-term, this referral business is going to have a “Walmart moment”. The companies left standing after 10 years are going to be the ones who can trim the fat out of referral fees, desk fees and commission splits. Agents will continue to vote with their pocket books, migrating away from high brokerage fees and migrating towards reasonably-priced sources of new clients. While it will be a slow process, I believe that the companies who will succeed in the long term are those able to optimize their web presence, easily source quality leads to their agents, display a recognized brand, and lower the costs of doing business as a real estate agent.

Comments(156)

Colleen Fischesser Northwest Property Shop
NextHome Experience - Chelan, WA
A Tradition of Trust in the Pacific NW since 1990!

Nothing like a post about Redfin (or which includes Redfin) to stir up some healthy conversation.

 

Mar 28, 2010 12:16 PM
John Elwell
CENTURY 21 Bill Nye Realty, Inc. - Zephyrhills, FL
You Deserve a Full-Time Agent, Not Reduced Results

This is a bit like the ads that run over and over down here saying, "we sold our home without an agent using XYZ and saved $10,000".  Wow, how great, Now I want to know the percentage of happy customers and unhappy customers who used XYZ? I can probably walk through the folks at the SuperBowl and find one or two people who have been struck by lightning. If they went on the news with their stories it would make it look like if you go to the superbowl you have been hit by a bolt at some point in time. Same here.

Here in our area we saw one entity go from top of the hill to bankrupt in just a year's time.

And let's face it, is is not beyond the realm of possibilities for shills to find their way onto Active Rain as well. Not uncommon for political or corporate entities to get people to post for them on all kinds of blogs. Dont't believe all you hear. On the web. It ain't all true.

I find it interesting that many of the comments are from non-members so you cannot click on their names and see who they are. Not sure if that is significant in any way, but have never noticed it so much as I did on this post.

Mar 28, 2010 12:17 PM
Tom Bailey
Margaret Rudd & Associates Inc. - Oak Island, NC

You have stirred up quite a hornet's nest. I have bookmarked the page so I can come back and read all the comments. I do think you are right that an agent at on of the big names should not be paying for leads.

 

 

Mar 28, 2010 02:43 PM
Russ Ravary ~ Metro Detroit Realtor call (248) 310-6239
Real Estate One - Commerce, MI
Michigan homes for sale ~ yesmyrealtor@gmail.com

You are so right.  All brokerages should have a good enough website to provide leads to their agents.  That way they can earn more money off their agents. 

Mar 28, 2010 02:44 PM
Donald Parker
John L. Scott-Federal Way - Federal Way, WA

This post has definitely stirred up a lot of emotions.  I do agree that agents, brokers, or anyone who wants to continue success is to have an internet presence.  It is the trend we are going to.  With the technological savvyness of the coming generations, it is only natural that the internet is where people first look.  The statistics show it. 

I see it like this, no matter what you are going to pay someone something to be in the profession.  Whether you pay a referral fee, split, desk fee, or whatever, someone gets paid.  The thing to think about is do you feel you are getting value for what you pay.

No matter how the money comes in the broker will get theirs whether it is a couple of big checks or a bunch of small checks.  Some brokers are better than others and everybody is different.

In these times, if an agent feels they need to go and get referrals and pay for them then so beit. 

The bottom line is you get what you pay for.

Mar 28, 2010 04:14 PM
Valarie Littles
Dallas, TX

I am in this for the long-term. I agree regarding the fees of a large brokerage. I wonder why each agent is paying a small salary to a large company that also charges for desk fees, franchise fees, and other itemized fees, in addition to a percentage of the sale. I agree with Kevin that if you are going to pay all those fees, you should be getting something in return. You need to evaluate for yourself "Is it worth it?" 

I suppose that any industry needs different models to work.The decision to choose a certain brokerage needs to be made from a business point of view. What is the ROI?

Mar 28, 2010 04:58 PM
Regina P. Brown
MBA Broker Consultants - Carlsbad, CA
M.B.A., Broker, Instructor

Kevin, wow you really did your research, and this is a hot topic!  Regarding your comment that big box companies don't aggressively create leads for their clients, that is true.  Of course they have their web sites, and their newspaper/internet ads, but traditionally real estate companies rely on their agents to bring in the bulk of their leads.  I would urge you to check out www.MyGreenParachute.com and their referral/exit plan as compared to Redfin.

Regina P. Brown

Mar 28, 2010 05:09 PM
Matt Grohe
RE/MAX Concepts - Des Moines, IA
Serving the metro since 2003

Kevin: I read all 151 comments before mine and so I feel obligated to post something. I got a lot of good ideas from the post and comments. I heard an interesting quote lately it was "if it ain't broke, it's probably obsolete." Real estate business models are evolving and brokers and agents alike need to evolve their systems to serve the demands of the public.

In Iowa commission rebates are illegal, so we don't have Redfin. The big growth in new agencies here seems to be flat fee-MLS brokers who sell listing packages for an upfront fee and give limited listing services, while putting the listing on the MLS with what many might consider to be small splits. I see lots of those types of listings expire because I think the bulk of them are underwater and are looking for a bailout, but can't get it with REOs, short sales and declining prices dogging the housing recovery. But I digress.

Referrals clearly make sense for many. Personally I feel agent to agent referrals are the most desirable for many reasons. As many remarked, you take that referral and do a good job, and you can get a lot of colateral opportunities. The quick and fast "one sale" mentality and mind set is a myopic one at best and smacks of greed and desperation at worst. Building a solid base of satisfied past clients should be the goal of all agents.

 

Mar 28, 2010 07:21 PM
John Marzy
Incline Village, NV

 

 

You Said:

Big brokerages remain tied to the idea that “less is better” on their websites. By limiting property information that they display on their websites, brokerages try to increase the value of contacting their agents. What is happening is that the sites with robust data about homes are rocketing in popularity while the old, information-poor websites languish.

 

My background is in the automotive industry.  Managers in car dealerships use to have the same philosophy. Only list a year, make and model. Maybe no price. Certainly not mileage.  The customer will call us!  Meanwhile ebay is now the largest used car seller in the United States! 

Because of "Old School" management style, car dealers forced their customers to look elsewhere for information. They did not understand that customers are one click away from going someplace else for information.  In doing so they forced clients to look elsewhere.  AutoTrader is huge, so is Cars.com.  It has take many years to understand this.  Some still play by those rules.

In short, as long as we allow third parties to offer our clients information that they are looking for our value proposition will continue to decline

Mar 28, 2010 09:50 PM
Scott Hoyt
Founding Partner, ChangingStreets.com - Cary, NC

Three things from comments that I think help your point:

Most of those defending big brokers are defending agent friendly commission splits

Not very many comments addressed Consumer offerings beyond discounts or rebates

Can anyone define lead? To a lot of agents leads are email address, to some they are questions, to my a lead is a call to action.

Beyond that a lot of big brokers are busy making to many agents happy, impossible. Best way to keep agents happy, have consumers clammering to do business with you.

Aside from all the comments, every brokerage is having a tough time, size is tough right now, I would rather be driving a ski boat right now than captaining the Titanic. Agility is key in this market and wait until May!

Mar 29, 2010 01:51 AM
Rick Schwartz
William Raveis Real Estate - Danbury, CT

This is a 100% true story. 

About 6 months ago, someone from my office left to go to work for a different brokerage - very different model. At roughly the same time, a different agent (from that same company) left to join the firm where I am.

I know both of these agents pretty well but we don't really talk that often.   Over the last couple of weeks I was showing a couple of houses - one belonged to each of these agents.  As per normal, when talking to another agent about a listing there's a little chit-chat that goes on right?

So, just making conversation I asked each of them something like "So now that youve been at your new place for a while, what do you think?

I swear on all that is holy, they used the exact same words in response -  "I should've made this switch a long time ago"

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Seriously guys!

"My Company is the bestest"

"NO! Mine is!" 

"But we have ALL the bestest agents" 

"Our web presence is so much more cooler!

"Mine gives me bunches of leads"

"I don't need no steenkin leads"

"But you guys have lost agents in the last couple of years - we haven't.  SO THERE"

"OH YEAH?  Well we have 10 websites HAH!

"YEAH? - we have 11.  NYAHHH"

 

  • There are very successful agents at Re/MaX, Keller Williams, Coldwell Banker, Prudential and on and on (sorry if I didn't name yours).
  • There are very successful agents who pay for referrals and there are really successful agents who never pay for a referral.
  • There are really succesful agents with big companies and there are really successful one-man shops and everything in between.
  • There are really successful agents who pay desk-fees and really successful agents who work in a place with no desk fees.
  • There are also starving agents at all those places.

We all have the same goal - to earn the best living we can by helping buyers and sellers move from one home to another.  There are lots of ways to get that done effectively and profitably.  I love hearing about all the different ideas - but the schoolyard bickering about how one method/model is the best for everyone. That's just silly!

 

Mar 29, 2010 05:44 AM
Anonymous
John MacLeod

Rick:  Great post--kid of answers all the questions.

Mar 29, 2010 07:33 AM
#153
Adam Wiener
Redfin - Seattle, WA

Hi Kevin,

As I mentioned above, I think some of your core positions are right on, I'm just not sure it follows that referral fees themselves have a negative impact on brokerages.  In fact, I think agents and brokerages can use referral relationships strategically to improve cashflow, grow market share, and build their brand for the long run.  Here are my thoughts on referrals.

Feedback welcome from one and all!

Adam

Mar 29, 2010 08:55 AM
Pat & Steve Pribisko
Keller Williams Greater Cleveland West - Westlake, OH

There are some exceptions to your general point.  I think that for Realtors with large brokerages, business is what they make make of it.  For my Partner (husband) & me, we couldn't be happier with Keller Williams Greater Cleveland West.  We were with a regional mom & pop broker until June, 2007.  We have our business in our home office.  KW's monthly fees are very reasonable.  We have our own, independent web site, with our KWGCW affiliation prominently displayed. We're not interested in any outside referral company.  We are constantly working on our business in Northeast OH, a 14 county area.  Each Realtor with Keller Williams Realty has the option to run their business the way they want (as long as it's ethical & legal).

Mar 29, 2010 10:52 AM
Anonymous
Brian Cooney

This format will appeal mainly to agents who are new and don't have any business.  Anyone who is out there prospecting, networking, and rooted in their community has plenty of free buyer leads right under their nose.  Confidence and knowledge are the best lead generators, and they cost nothing. 

If a buyer's primary motivation in choosing an agent is receiving a kickback from the sale, that is not a client I personally want to invest myself in.  A buyer or seller who sees the value in my years of experience, willingness to share my time and knowledge, and my familiarity with the neighborhood is the compensation a good client is after. 

 

Mar 29, 2010 05:46 PM
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Linda Jandura
Raleigh Cary Realty - Apex, NC
Realtor, North Carolina Buyer & Seller Specialist

I know I'm late to reply, but I saved this email because I needed to read it at a later date. So glad that I did. I totally agree with you.

I was at a local "big name" and the referral leads went to the old agents 100% of the time. So why was I paying them 50% of my commission.

Went to KW for a better split, and at first I got a ton of leads just from answering the phones. But like you said, the emphasis was on recruiting new agents, not recruiting buyers or sellers. Soon there were so many agents that it was impossible to get a  lead.

On to company C, who promised lots of leads via their website and national referral organization.  6 months later- not one lead, no other promises kept.

Now I'm at a wonderful independent company.  Low low split, lots of support. And the theory that we all get our own leads.  Why didn't the big names tell us that when we became realtors? Because they needed our desk fees, and our splits!  They really didn't care at all when anyone left, because there would always be new 'agents" taking the bati and stepping in.

 

Apr 11, 2010 03:27 AM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

This is a very thoughtful post Kevin. I think that brokerages play a numbers game, much like MLM. Sometimes they do get referrals, but they only go to a few top / politically connected agents.

May 09, 2010 04:41 PM
Marnie Matarese
DWELL REAL ESTATE - Sarasota, FL
Showing you the best of Sarasota!

Wow!  Great post and summed up exactly why my partner and I left a major franchise to be a part of a small new firm.  Our desk fees were 1250$ per month for each of us, we were nickled and dimed to death with EO insurance per transaction, bought our own supra boxes rather than "rent" them for $25.00 per listing and countless other little add-ons tacked to our bill each month.  The lead system was a joke because the larger franchise of the same name in our area ended up getting the huge share of them and when we sat down and realized how much more money we could make without the franchise, we bailed.  So many agents believe that the franchise name is what the consumer is buying and yet they never consider that one bad experience with an agent in that franchise sours the company for any new business.  We contacted most of our previous clients prior to making the move and to a person, they said it did not matter WHO we worked for as long as we did a good job for them.  We are 10 months into our new brokerage, love it and have steady sales and listings.  Our MLS and the Realtor Association provide us with all the tools we need to compete with the big guys and our website is infinitely better!  If you are thinking of taking the leap.... do it!  YOU are what makes you succeed, not the banner of your company name!

 

Sep 28, 2011 03:24 AM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

I started in this business with 50/50, moved to 60/40, soon to 70/30, and not to 80/20 and I'm about to negotiate a better deal. I don't see any more any value being with a large brokers. So, I agree with your post.

Apr 05, 2013 05:46 PM
Anonymous
Dmitry Shkipin

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