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Pretty is not always practical. These are stupid steps! Home inspector, what do you think?

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Real Estate Agent with RE/MAX Advantage

Several houses in White County Arkansas have been built with steps like these pictured below.

Stupid steps

Each time I see a new set I wonder why a builder or a bricklayer would allow these to be built.  Studying the ones above make me think that they are actually harder to build.  They've had to split the bricks to fit in the circular pattern.  Straight brick steps should have been easier.

Imagine being on the porch and starting down the steps.  It would be so easy to miss that first tiny step and then you're in trouble.  And if you're walking along holding your truest love's hand, the two of you can not exit at the same time.  If you're walking with your child, you can't go down together.

I see them as "stupid."  The design, though quite pleasing if you don't have to use them, fails completely when it comes to function.  Did my art teacher once quote, "Form before function?"  Or was it "Function before Form?"   

If any home inspectors read this, (including my Godson Nutsy) tell me what you think of them.  Would they be to code and would you write them up?

Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Charles, thanks for comment.  I signed up to receive your blogs!

Ellie, you did a great analysis of the steps.  But I can just see some brick layer standing back and admiring his art work, never thinking about the danger of it.

Monique, we'll see what home inspectors have to say.

Harr, we agree.

Michael, thanks for agreeing.

Apr 19, 2010 03:43 AM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Charles, I want you to go to your photoshop and draw me the handrail.  I can't figure out where it could be placed to be servicable.  I also can't believe the toughest inspector in the country, who worries about high heels on a squirrel, wouldn't point out the danger of these steps.   LOL

Sherry and Ludean, we girls can always see danger. 

Apr 19, 2010 03:46 AM
Ruth Vogt
Fairway Independent Mortgage, LLS. Equal Housing Opportunity. Regulated by the Division of Real Estate. - Colorado Springs, CO
719-592-0855 www.ReverseLoansInColorado.com

I'm surprised these steps wouldn't be considered a health hazard, to be honest. Someone is turned around saying good bye and steps back... only to find out too late the stairs didn't reach that far. Stupid? Ugly? Maybe. But certainly seems unsafe!

Apr 19, 2010 05:26 AM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Ruth, I agree.  You really have to be alert to see the tiny first step.  I can see these being attractive if the first step was as wide as the space between the two columns and the others radiated out from these.  And if there was a rail to hold onto.  I've asked Charlie Buell to draw us a rail.  He can do anything with photoshop.

Apr 19, 2010 12:27 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Godmother,

I could walk them with no problem. I never find tripping hazards. I can even walk power lines. I would go soft on these if your income depended on my writing a favorable report, being your Godson and all.

Nutsy Wallenda

Apr 19, 2010 02:09 PM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Nutsy, if I tripped on these, my income would be in grave danger.  What does your boss think about these steps? 

Apr 19, 2010 02:38 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Barbara,

I think they ought to put a fountain in the middle and make a water feature.

Apr 20, 2010 04:55 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Barbara, the handrail is going to be tough to photoshop or install :)

Apr 21, 2010 01:55 AM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Chaarrllleeesss, (meant to be a whiny voice) you have not tried on this assignment.  You're a whiz with the virtual stuff and you refused to write it up as dangerous so I need to see how a rail could be aesthetically placed and be serviceable.  Pretty plleeassee.....(whiny also)

Apr 21, 2010 12:54 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Anything I can't stand it is whining :)  So here is "one" possibility:

No sure about the red though

Apr 21, 2010 01:26 PM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Not bad, Charles.  At leat that would keep people from stepping too far off the side.  I knew you could do.  I'm going to try whining more to get my way.

Apr 21, 2010 02:27 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Let me know how that whining goes---have had little to no luck with it myself :)

Apr 21, 2010 02:50 PM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

Can i say lawsuit in the near future? An accident just ready to happen.

Apr 23, 2010 01:59 PM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Charles, I'll bet you whine to your wife a lot.  LOL

Robert, I hope it doesn't happen during my listing time but they are dangerous.

Apr 23, 2010 03:06 PM
Mike (Inspector Mike) Parks
Inspector Mike - Circleville, OH
Inspector Mike

If the top step met egress requirements, and it does not, the installation would be code compliant.

Apr 24, 2010 01:22 PM
Elizabeth Bolton
RE/MAX Destiny Real Estate Cambridge, MA - Cambridge, MA
Cambridge MA Realtor

Hi Barbara ~ I confess to kind of liking them.  What's the vintage?  And I can just hear the "trip hazard" warning.

Liz

Apr 24, 2010 01:27 PM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Mike, why does it not meet egress requirements?  Elaborate if you can.

Liz, they are pretty and took a lot of planning.  I think the guy who built them is a frustrated artist.  He really could do this design all the way around and have a great fountain in the middle.

Apr 24, 2010 02:06 PM
Mike (Inspector Mike) Parks
Inspector Mike - Circleville, OH
Inspector Mike

Stairways shall not be less than 36 inches (914 mm) in clear width.

311.5.3.1 Riser height.

The maximum riser height shall be inches (210 mm). The riser shall be measured vertically between leading edges of the adjacent treads. The greatest riser height within any flight of stairs shall not exceed the smallest by more than 3/8 inch (9.5 mm).

I meant the design could be used if it met the stair requirements.

PS. No handrail required in your example.

Apr 24, 2010 11:50 PM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Mike, thanks for info about stairs.  One other question.  Shouldn't stairways require hand rails.  We also have so many, including this house, with steps going upstairs with no handrails.  I think that should be code requirement too.

Apr 25, 2010 07:45 AM
Mike (Inspector Mike) Parks
Inspector Mike - Circleville, OH
Inspector Mike

Barbara

"311.5.6 Handrails.

Handrails shall be provided on at least one side of each continuous run of treads or flight with four or more risers."

"312.1 Guards required.

Porches, balconies or raised floor surfaces located more than 30 inches (762 mm) above the floor or grade below shall have guards not less than 36 inches (914 mm) in height. Open sides of stairs with a total rise of more than 30 inches (762 mm) above the floor or grade below shall have guards not less than 34 inches (864 mm) in height measured vertically from the nosing of the treads."

There are other codes but this is a good overview.

Apr 27, 2010 02:22 AM