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89 Comments on Protecting Your Property Rights, Our Day on the Hill
Karen, Thank you for what you're doing! I saw your post re-blogged on Candice Dinifrio's blog and I'm glad I saw this. A person who owns private property and wants to sell it, the type of financing they agree to is their business. And for the government to require licensing to do so...not neccessary.
Wow - not one person defending the government here. Where are all those who keep saying, "The Government needs to .... " Because they are getting what they wished for.
Karen
This was my third Day on the Hill and I thought that this year was really no different than the previous two. Politicians are so blinded by party loyalty that if you aren't talking about something that they are supporting then they really don't want to listen. On the other hand, we actually dropped in on Bob Latta from Ohio (Republican) without an appointment and was pleasantly surprised that he visited with us for over 25 minutes. He actually listened to us and took immediate action ( or appeared to take action) by telling his Legislative Director who was also sitting in on the meeting to contact HUD and get them in his office. He actually looked directly at us when we talked and listened. I was very much impressed. I mentioned from the start that he was not in my district but he was close enough that what I had to say would affect his area as well. Of the four contacts we made, I walked out feeling good about politicians. The balance were all brush offs.
You know what? We still have to do what we have to do. I cannot make much of an impact as one citizen. It is what I do with it that will make the difference. I am now on the line to tell everyone I know who will listen and who won't. But if I keep quite, the visit to Washington would have been in vain.
Thanks for the blog!
Don Newman - Toledo, Ohio
Joetta:
New mantra.. "This is NOT the change we voted for."
Don:
All the responses we received were so positive. Most of the people we met with were aides, but they are the ones who so often determine where the focus lies.
Richard Burr met us in the hall on his way to a vote. We talked at lenght with his aide and she took a lot of notes. Very impressive.
Howard Coble never acted rushed or in a hurry. He listened intently and gave us some guidance. He told his aide two people to get immediately ahold of to discuss this and said he had 4 Senators he intended to contact.
Will it happen? Is the glass half full? But, like you said, if we remain silent, we cannot comment on the situations that occur.
I left our Day on the Hill feeling impowered and that I make more of a difference than I'd realized.
I joined Karen as one of the six other teams on The Hill for this lobbying effort. Confirming the senators and congressmen/women were accessibe. the Republicans universally agreed limiting property rights for individuals was a negative and unitended consequence. the democrats almost to a individual wanted to portray investors as predatory and asking loan shark interest rates (on an installment sale where no money is lent?)
Watch Personal Real Estate Investor Magazine (at your local B&N or Borders in the business and finance section) for an article and lobbying tools to use in your market. These describe the value of real estate investors as one third of the market. www.PersonalRealEstateInvestorMag.com
Best Andrew Waite
I will admit that I am not a mortgage broker and don't keep up with the legislation as much as I should... But if I recall, these rules only apply to mortgage brokers, but not bankers. Shouldn't the rules also apply to banks that do mortgages?
Good morning Karen,
Thanks for making the effort so you can educate the rest of us.
Vicki Rucker
Thanks for having both the patience and depth to deal with our government. I wouldn't have it in me.
If Congress would worry about what Americans want instead of what lobbyists and special interests want, we would be in a better place.
Karen - I had not heard this. Thanks for posting. ANd thank you for your investing your time into civil action. Do you have a reference as to which sections of the bills will require this?
I've been reading updates today. Fortunately, the Republicans want discussion on the bill. Not, necessarily for our cause, but for other things including the fact that Obama wanted it passed today.. They have said that, if the bill passes today, it won't all pass..? Not sure what that means or how that happens. We continue to learn!
Sequel Alert:
Thank you to everyone for the fabulous comments. They are so well said and so varied that I wish you would repost them on my blog Karen's Perspective.
Out of fear and, no doubt, reality that few of you will.. I'm going to do another blog post that is just comments to the post. This legislation is huge and I want my blog readers to know that many of us are concerned for and passionate about what's happening in/with/to our government.
Thank you all.
Couple things to mention, HR 1728, is what I think you are talking about although I wasnt 100% sure. . .
However, it would allow for a seller to seller finance 1 property every 3 years. So they are realy going after the investor more than grandma and grandpa. . . .
Hey Karen,
Nice to see more people becoming aware, thank you so much for writing (and I'm glad AR gave you some featured traffic! - Thanks AR!)
Because I'm a RE broker who is also in the 'note business' (the buying and selling of privately held mortgages) I naturally function as an Owner Financing Coach and Consultant (so people know how to carry paper that can be sold for the smallest possible discount), so I've been following this conversation for a while now, commenting on the bill during the 'comment' period, writing my senators, etc. I'm hoping that it will make a difference because, as many have mentioned, it's an unthinkable attack on private property rights.
I know several 'mom n pops' who have a small portfolio of properties, and they have planned all along to carry paper on them as part of their retirement strategy. If they've got 10 SFR rentals, and they want to sell them with seller financing so they can quit the property management business and relax or travel or nurse their arthritis, the 1 every 3 years things really puts a crimp in their financial plan.
And investors are filling a very needed gap in the economy. Sure, they're making money buying REOs for cash and selling using owner financing, but SO MANY FAMILIES would just not have a chance at home ownership if it weren't for these investors filling the gap.
In my opinion, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street and monetary policy at the top created the problem, and now they're 'fixing' it by regulating the hell out of everyone else, including Grandma and the local investor putting families with poor credit in homes.
One of the most disturbing things for me is how NAR really doesn't seem to care about the owner financing conversation, even though several of their members make significant commissions off of seller financed transactions. I think there are substantial mortgage industry interests connected with NAR . . . RE brokerages who make more money selling loans than properties, etc . . . I've found their responses quite unsatisfactory. They seem aligned with the big interests that are basically grabbing for everything in sight at this point.
Even though I don't 'originate loans,' but merely advise people on how to negotiate and structure seller financing transacitons to meet short and long term objectives, I'll be getting the extra Mortgage Originators license here in CA added to my broker's license. Just gotta bite the bullet on that, even though my ability to put strong and ethical paper together is primarily derived from understanding the market in which notes are bought and sold.
I know it's a big quandry for others in the note business (most of whom are not RE brokers) . . . everyone's wondering how all these regulations and licensing requirements are going to play out.
Anyhow, too long-winded, sorry. Thanks for the post, Karen
Dawn
Also, David Butler over at Creative Real Estate Online usually has some poignant thoughts, and is a good person to follow on these matters.
Dawn
"Did you know that a representative may change their vote after hearing from as few as only two of their constituents.
and there in lies the problem, they will change their mind as quick as that. I want a representative that has a pulse on what the people want and will vote his belief and if it is different we can vote him out. I am sick of him going with the status quo.
Everyone needs to get more involved in politics and the first thing to do would be to vote all incumbents out and vote for ones that will put into place term limits.
Karen - Thanks for the great information. Thank you for fighting the good fight. This legislation could be quite damaging to all property owners and most don't understand it. The public does rely on REALTORs to look out for their proprety rights and without people like you our voice doesn't get heard. Keep up the fight.
Thanks, Kathie. I appreciate your words.