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Protecting Your Property Rights, Our Day on Capitol HillI just got back from D.C. where we were working to protect your property rights during a day on the hill, meeting with our Congressmen and Senators or their representatives.

Why? The National Real Estate Investors Association (National REIA) informed our local Triad REIA of some upcoming legislation that could be harmful to our business practices as well as to property owners across the country.

What we found out right away that amazed me is how available and open most of our legislators are to hearing from their constituents. Did you know that, with an appointment, you can see almost any of your local House Representatives or Senators? Possibly more difficult in Washington, D.C. than while they are at home in your state but, even then, if they don't have the time to speak with your personally, you can make appointments to meet with their aides.

Did you know that a representative may change their vote after hearing from as few as only two of their constituents? They, for the most part, do represent you and want to hear from you, it's just that so few of us ever express our needs and/or concerns to them directly.

So, we did. First, we met with a number of National REIA members in D.C. Because we had registered ahead of time, National REIA had scheduled appointments for us to meet with the legislators from our home states and, where possible, our own districts. National REIA members from approximately 12 different states attended, 10 members were there from North Carolina alone.

Here's the problem we went to address; HR 4173, the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. Nice name. Consumer protection is certainly popular. But does it really protect the people it intends to?

The Senate companion bill is the Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010. Again, sounds great.

Now, try reading the bills. Thousands of pages, literally.

It appears that the main reason for this legislation is to regulate Wall Street and the mortgage industry from unscrupulous lending practices that have hurt the public. If you don't read the entire bill and don't read deeply, you can, mistakenly, believe that is all that is covered. But, a lot of extras are often added into bills and we all need to pay attention to ensure that our rights are, in fact, being protected.

What concerns us with these bills is that we are all caught in one big net directed at mortgage regulation. You, me, your parents, your grandparents, everyone would, upon passage of this legislation, be required to become licensed mortgage lenders if we decide to sell, through owner financing, any property we own. Suddenly, if your parents own a property free and clear and decide to let you buy it from them with monthly payments, they would need licensing as mortgage lenders and you would have to qualify for the loan just like through any other lender.

Many properties, such as mobile homes or land, don't qualify for bank financing but would now have to. Why? Because purchasing from individuals by using a note would no longer be legal. Many of today's buyers can't qualify for a traditional mortgage and count on seller's financing. This would no longer be an option.

Congressman Howard Coble immediately termed this "over-regulation" and we agree. What we need is a Senator (or multiple Senators) to stand up and confront this problem in the bill. What we discovered is that most legislators don't know everything in a bill if they weren't the ones who wrote it. Apparently, even the ones who sign off on the bills don't know everything in them because much can be added to a bill once it goes to committee.

Hence, our need to read and "inform" our representatives. Everyone we talked with about this bill seemed genuinely concerned and a bit alarmed at the harm this one section could do to the general population, the "mom's and pop's" out there who may have paid off some rental properties for their retirement and now, with the new laws, would no longer be able to sell with owner finance securing themselves income during retirement. Consensus was that this could not have been the original intention of this bill. Most termed the situation an "unintended consequence".

So now we follow-up with our legislators through emails, letters and personal appointments when they're back in our home states. The bill, as written, has already passed the House and will soon be voted on by the Senate.

It was very empowering to take a part in the system and learn that we actually do have a say and we can be heard. How this bill turns out will be worth paying attention to by all of us.

Keep up with what we learn about this legislation going forward at Karen's Perspective.

 

Sequel Alert:  Thank you to everyone for the fabulous comments.  They are so well said and so varied that I wish you would repost them on my blog Karen's Perspective.   Out of fear and, no doubt, reality that few of you will.. I'm going to do another blog post that is just comments to the post.  This legislation is huge and I want my blog readers to know that many of us are concerned for and passionate about what's happening in/with/to our government.

Thank you all.

Karen Rittenhouse | www.karensperspective.com | 336-834-0614 | karen@karensperspective.com
 
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89 Comments on Protecting Your Property Rights, Our Day on the Hill

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2010
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The legislators might appear to be interested in hearing from you but in fact they could care less. If making you feel they listened gets your vote they are very happy.

7:24am • #1
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Yes, I've heard that. I plan some face to face meetings here at home.  I have friends who know our local Reps personally so I'm going to do what I can.  This is another frightening piece of legislation.

7:31am • #2
Called Shot Master

Good reading, Karen.  This is something we really need to get behind to push it out.  I hope this doesn't get rammed down our throat too.

7:48am • #3
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This is all screwed up isn't it? What on earth happened to the "Land of the Free?"  Where are our individual rights going? This is what they call "restoring" but what they are actually saying is, "we want all men to be bound by the government." I am amazed each and every day as I learn the incessant grip that is tearing away at our freedom of choice and our freedom to create wealth. My parents are rolling over in their graves. Hey world! Sup?

11:04am • #4
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OOOPS...there went my blood pressure.

11:06am • #5
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I feel the same way.  Wait, these are personal property rights.  You can't take those away!  Can they?  We will do what we can to prevent it.  Together - we can protect our rights!

11:08am • #6
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Very good, Karen. Anyone who wants to carry the note on their property would be damaged by such legislation. And as for the elected officials being willing to meet with us . . .  they had better be willing to listen to those who elected--and could un-elect--them! :)

11:25am • #7
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Keep up the good work. Bills get changed radically by the time they reach a vote, so opposition can be helpful. Bills can also be destoryed by riders that have nothing to do with the bill and create a poison pill. As someone who worked for the Senate during college in DC in the 60's, I went in a believer and a political scinece major. I wnded up in philosophy. Politics is not for the faint of heart.

11:31am • #8
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Karen ... Thanks for your advocacy at our nation's Capitol about proposed laws that impact our clients and private property rights.  I am also concerned about HR 4173, proposed Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, and the Senate proposed Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010

I have read some provisions of these and am also alarmed that US government is using the excuse of mortgage industry problems, so that it can regulate private real estate ownership and transactions.

I serve as chairperson for Local Government Relations Committee at Orange County Assoc. of Realtors and will ask that we look at this proposed legislation for possible recommendations to our board.

Please keep up your good work on behalf of clients and protection of private property rights.

11:34am • #9
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As if the mortgage industry 'helped' people.  Now they want to intrude on seller carry-backs, which might be the only way buyers can purchase. 

I'm still scratching my head at the "certification" that contractors and subs need to have before they work on 1978 and prior constructed properties.  Hmmmm . . . what did we do before these contractors were required to have this special certification?!?  How did we ever manage?!?  Yeah, that was a real fallout of dire consequences on that . . . thank GOD the politicians mandated that, or we would be SO SCREWED.  {please detect the utter sarcasim in my words}  Yup, still scratching.

 

11:36am • #10

Leave it to the political people to take aim at what was not a problem... It was not the owner financing that killed the real estate industry. If they want to take aim at something, it should be the variable interest rate loans that should be outlawed. EVERY loan should be simple interest, set from the date of signing until paid of at one rate, no pre-pay... SIMPLE...

Also loans should have ONE FEE... The interest rate... There should be no additional charges allowed. As it stands now, even with the new RESPA disclosure it is all but impossible to compare loans. If all they could charge is an interest rate and no junk fees then it would be simple for the buyer to compare loans...

Lets see... 5.25... 6.5... 7.25... Wonder which one they would choose???

11:38am • #11
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Karen,

 

Thanks for your involvement. And thanks for sharing information about the insidious over-regulation that is proposed by this bill.

11:42am • #12
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I don't think anyone can credibly argue that the mortgage industry isn't in dire need of regulation.  It is the nature of said regulation that is the question.  The regulation will happen and it NEEDS to happen.  What we had before was bordering on anarchy.  The problem that I see is that special interests have taken over.  This applies to both poltical parties - the people need to be more proactive. That doesn't mean tea parties...it means really delving into what is being done and how.  Look at Elizabeth Warren...I don't think she wanted to be in the middle of things like she is - but she saw a need - and is trying to fill a gaping void.

11:55am • #13
427,471 Points 16 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

Great work - thanks for your time and involvement.  Thanks for educating us and keeping us informed.  It's caring professionals like you who help keep an eye on the over-zealousness of our government.

Thank you.

12:26pm • #14
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Thank you for doing this for all of us. We can't all be aware of everything and it's nice to know you did the due diligence for us on this one. I'll put my phone calls/emails into my representatives...your post lays out the issue very clearly. Thanks again

12:38pm • #15
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Good for you for getting involved.  I have done this for years, going to both the state and national capitals to make sure that the rights of agents and consumers are not trampled by bad legislation.  We can never be to careful about having an understanding of the far reaching consequences can be.

Thanks for working to make a difference!

1:06pm • #16
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I certainly hop that these provisions of the legislation are removed before passage. removing the ability to owner finance a property would not just be stupid it would be a restraint of free commerce. This is not to say that rules should not also apply to owner financing just that it would be foolish to outlaw the practice! Oh...and don't be deterred by the cynical comment above, thanks for your efforts!

1:19pm • #20

I have to respond to Robert Foster's post.  One fee for the loan?  "No garbage fees?"  The fees associated with any loan are Appraisal fee.  Appraiser needs to paid for his work.  Underwriting fee.  Underwriter needs to be paid for work performed.  Tax Service fee.  Paid to a company that reports to the bank when taxes are due and need to be paid.  The company needs to be paid for work performed.  Title and Escrow fees.  Again, intities need to be paid for work provided.  Loan Origination fee.  Loan officer who is gathering all of the documents that are required to get a loan approved needs to receive an income for that service. 

Re: ARM loans.  I have always had an ARM loan.  I like the flexibility of choosing how much I need to pay on the mortgage each month.  If I have a good closing month I can pay more on the loan and if the month is not so good I can pay less.  This loan is great for any commission individual, small business owners and many professional people who have variable income.

The reform needs to start with greedy CEO's, GSP's and Wall Street that created loans that were not meant for all the people and then demanded that their sales rep's go out an sell these loans, no matter what.  FICO requirements on ARM loans were reduced to a ludicrous level and the demand for affordable loans was so great that people were taking loans that should not have taken. 

 

Marcia Bowen
1:21pm • #21

Superbly written and well-said, Karen.  I hope that everyone reading it does not simply post agreement, but rather follows through in action to notify our legislators of the "unintended consequences" that will drastically hobble the already weakened housing market.  In a representative democracy, if we ever reach the point where we become so complacent as to fail to ensure that our collective voice is heard we will, inevitably; eventually lose the right to be heardl.  The gradual erosion of our capitalistic rights will only be slowed and/or halted by the doers; not the philosophers.  Awesome job on getting that our right away, as the Day on the Hill JUST happened!

Lou Gimbutis
1:29pm • #22

this is a typical bill...the common way that laws get passed is disgraceful.   they are packed with special interest giveaways and grease for political donors.   that's why  the bills run into  the hundreds and thousands of pages.  any one of us could have reformed health care in 20 pages or less.  the other 2680 pages were the grease.  not to single him out but the Presidents number 2 campaign contributor was Goldman Sachs.   what do you suppose they had in mind?  even more distressing, number 1 was the University of California.   FYI,  the UC is currently proposing raising tuitions due to lack of funds.  i live in calif.  and am angry  that a PUBLIC university is using their funds for ANY political candidate.

getting back  to Karens post topic, for those genuinely interested in private property rights i encourage you to look into  the Institute for Justice,

http://ij.org/

they were front and center on the case in new haven where private property was taken for private use.  the case is commonly known  as the Kelo case.  for a depressing case study in abuse of power see the followup  to  that where Pfizer, the company promoting the eminent domain taking has decided to CLOSE its plant as the tax abatements expire.  another case of some well meaning but unsophisticated city council being torn to shreds by competent and very smart businessmen.   it happens all  the time when you send sheep to negotiate with wolves.

if you are appalled by  the fact  that many bills are voted for by congressmen and senators WHO HAVEN'T READ THE LAWS THEY ARE VOTING ON have a look at the DownsizeDC website and read about their Read the Bills Act.

http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/27

if you are tired of having unpopular laws hidden inside bills that have NOTHING to do with  their title have a look at  their One Subject at a Time Act,

http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/83

it may be true that money and power are irresistible to the hacks we elect, and that special interests are firmly entrenched  (the NAR?) but i refuse to go down without a fight.

 

 

 

 

1:31pm • #23

Applause for Michael Ford's well put post on the process!

1:46pm • #24
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Thank you all for your comments and your passions.

Lou just wrote to my personal email that "Obama is pushing that the bill be adopted unchanged, and the Democratic majority leader called for a "cloture vote" Monday which means that, if they can get 60 "ayes", no lengthy discussion of the bill will be allowed in the Senate- it will go to vote as "take it or leave it". Not a good way to pass a 1400 page bill."

Dear Lord..

2:26pm • #25
1 Featured Post Called Shot Master

Wow... great information... I will be sure to follow up with my local legislator.

 

2:53pm • #27
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Oh, good!  Thank you, James.

2:58pm • #28
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You are to applauded for your efforts!  If each of us would take the time and put forth the effort perhaps some real "change" could take place in our country.

I appreciate you getting this information into our hands, now it's up to us - come on y'all!  DO SOMETHING, don't just watch things happen and then complain, be the ones MAKING things happen!

2:59pm • #29
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Oh, thank you, Cecilia.  If we were all in this togther, think of the power!

3:02pm • #30
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So glad I read these blogs. This are little known or publicized info. Will contract my local representative about this. Should be published more. Who comes up with these new laws anyway? 

3:30pm • #31
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I am not a fan of Wall Street, but this bill in not about protecting consumers.  It is about enriching the connected and giving more power to Washington.

4:04pm • #32

I am really stunned at the new EPA/Lead Based Paint rules and how that could affect us if there are repairs that need to be done.  If you have not seen them yet, I would recommend you look them up because they make no sense.  I guess the number of people lined up with LBP poisoning was so overwhelming they decided to make yet another rule over an issue that I have never seen an issue since I have been selling for 12 years.  And the fine is outlandish.

http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm#realtors

Thanks Karen for the good info.

 

4:28pm • #34
175,854 Points 14 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

This lopsided Government is going to kill our nation. Since they are voting Monday I will still do my part with my legislator. Hope the tide will swing.

4:29pm • #35
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Karen, THANK YOU SOOO MUCH  FOR  Your time and effort in caring about our Property Rights, Being a REALTOR, Owner financing has been what has helped keep our Real Estate Office going the last year! We have a lot of folks that have had a bad run with their credit for different reasons, like coming out of a divorce, a spouse passing away etc.  They have good jobs and good income but just need a couple of years to get straighten out.  A lot of owners in Kentucky will Finance the properties for a couple of years til they get on their feet so to speak.  I will be sending this to my Local Legislators.  Thank you again and God bless you for caring!!

BARBARA

4:53pm • #36

Consensus was that this could not have been the original intention of this bill. Most termed the situation an "unintended consequence".

Apparently, even the ones who sign off on the bills don't know everything in them because much can be added to a bill once it goes to committee.

Ignorance is bliss to those that deal with America's Congress.  Thanks for your work and this blog.  People we have a problem :).

6:14pm • #37
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Thank you for helping protect all of our rights. Several members from our Central Florida Realty Investors group were in attendance.  I went to the first day on the hill back in 2008 myself. It is just plain ridiculous all these overkill laws that Washington wants to stuff down our throat.

6:24pm • #38
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Karen, l thank you too for your willingness to share the details on this one bill.  And just think, there are hundreds of bills every year that we know very little about. Thanks again.

7:18pm • #39
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It's great to hear that our representatives were so willing to listen. It seems unfortunate to me that so many bills are so long and so unwieldy with different things tied in to them that are often unrelated.  I suppose it's part of the process, but it seems there should be a better way.

7:31pm • #40
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Karen, 

Great points to bring up.  Over regulation is not the answer, you can't make people behave morally or ethically, so we'll try to regulate it?  The repercussions to this are huge!!!!! 

Way to go meeting with the congress people about this. 

All the best, Michelle

8:26pm • #42
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Very interesting the things you can find in thousands of pages of legislation that aren't read by our elected officials.  I would assume that this would also affect the transfer of properties into land trusts or other types of trusts used for estate and tax planning.

8:27pm • #43
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I am never surprised about what is in or not in any bill anymore.  I am not fundamentally opposed to special interests, as that in and of itself is not a bad thing.  The bad thing is how fast things get ramrodded through the process, the lack of transparency, and the lack of oversight of an average person (say me) in trying to figure out what to e-mail my senator/congressperson if I can understand it, which seems next to impossible.

8:43pm • #44
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The mortgage thing you brought up is small potatos compared to some of the other stuff in this bill.

This bill will give the Federal Reserve authority to do just about anything they wish to without being held accountable to anyone unless they choose to.  They can lend trillions of dollars as they see fit.  They can hold anything as collateral for those loans.  They never have to report to anyone if they don't want to.  They are trying to eliminate any chance of any kind of substantial audit of the Federal Reserve. 

These bills are so deceptive.  They label them with a nice sounding title so that it is hard to be seen as being against them.  Sell it as reform of Wall Street but have the result be that it just protects Wall Street even more from any real regulation.  This is the kind of stuff that makes you mad and begin ranting like a tea partier. 

I hope you can get that owner financing part changed but I really doubt it.  The mortgage industry probably has some good lobbyists who can spend much more money than you. 

9:19pm • #45
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That sounds like a terrible nanny-state law, good luck with it. 

9:22pm • #46
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Russell:  Yes, the EPA lead paint rules are also ridiculous.  I did a post earlier in the week on that very topic at Karen's Perspective.

9:28pm • #47
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Good article. I will research a bit more and act accordingly.  Thank you.

 

9:32pm • #48
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Tim: You're absolutely right.  We need our own lobbyists but we can't afford them.  Its their job to find these things before the votes.

This bill would have crippled Habitat for Humanity.  Their lobbyists found this and got a carve out for them.  We requested the same thing.  Since Obama wants this bill passed on Monday, our chances of a change are slim...

9:34pm • #49
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Nice post.. e-mail going to Rep. Shelley Berkley, Sen. Harry Reid and Sen. John Ensign...

Still worth a shot. I actually find the majority of the responses I receive from the first two comical reading anyways and can add then to the collection..

 

9:45pm • #50
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Please let us know if you get responses and what they are! 

9:53pm • #51
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Karen - Thanks so much for the update! It's great to hear from someone that was there and understands how important these bills are! Please keep us updated when you hear more! Thanks Paige Walker

10:27pm • #52
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Talk about overkill. It wasn't the seller financing that did most people in. Thanks for passing this on. I'll try to do what I can and alert my senators to fight this addition to an otherwise (I should hope) unproblematic bill.

11:10pm • #53
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Thanks for your participation and writing this article to keep us all informed about important issues.

11:12pm • #54
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The biggest problem in DC at the moment seems to be that bills are getting packed with crap at the last minute.  House and Senate leaders promise to allow public inspection of the bills before they vote... and then, IF they actually follow through with allowing time for people to study the bills, they add amendments at the very last minute that make wholesale chages... 

And then the President promised to allow 5 days between passage and signature... but has yet to have a bill wait that long... 

My favorite quote so far is Nancy Pelosi saying that a bill had to be PASSED so that we could find out what was in it... Really?

11:18pm • #55
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Most of us would agree that the mortgage industry ran amuck, and does need some regulation. I saw waiters and carpet installers show up and become instant loan officers.  There was, and still is rampant fraud.  State laws and the Department of Commerce across the country needs to license and hold brokers accountable rather than the Federal government.  Big government scares us all, and it is orchestrated so the media reports that it is in the interest of the American people.

What we hear from the media on politics has almost nothing to do with what is really going on.  I attended a town hall meeting with one of our local congressmen.  He showed up and hour and 1/2 late, and paraded a couple of preselected 'victims' of the mortgage crisis who struggled with loan modification. "I want to go back to Washington to tell them that my people want loan modification!"

The meeting was a photo op.   It was apparent he had no clue how the mortgage industry works, and had people chanting, "Loan mod, loan mod, we want loan mod."   Some of them had lost their jobs, and were translating 'loan mod,' to mean free.  The congressman does not answer letters, emails or voicemail.  He doesn't have a clue how the mortgage and real estate industry works, but he knows how Washington works. 

It is amazingly naive to think that a few vocal locals make a difference.  Most politicians believe that their constituants are sheep and can't see beyond the spin.  The public is led by what the media feeds it, and the media is fed by two very powerful and manipulative political parties.  

11:21pm • #56
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Karen,

Thank you for letting us know about what is about to happen if we don't take action. Everyone need to contact their Congressman asap.

11:24pm • #57
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Karen:

What you say is true -- and vital to keeping our system functioning properly. People should think of themselves as lobbyists for the common man.

11:49pm • #58
108,068 Points Called Shot Master

Karen, Thanks for the heads up. Did you talk to Burr or Hagan? If so what did they say? I certainly intend to call both on Monday.

11:50pm • #59
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This is the inherent problem when goverment bodies try to boiler plate legislation. When have you ever have a contract that closed exactly as the contract stipulated without some last minute modification or change to closing date due to either seller or buyer unforseen circumstances, one closing date changed due to seller attending a funeral then had to change again because buyer had the same problem, did close but required a lot of planning & replanning.

1:54am • #60
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It is but another power grab and all the "government officials" are fully aware of what this does to our freedoms...Hence they endorse it....

5:08am • #61
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Ridiculous, but what is going on in Washington now is not good. Packaging bills inside other bills that have NOTHING to do with the main bill is horrible.

Just like the Student Loan Bill being packaged in the Health Care Reform.

Each bill should be a stand alone bill, debated and discussed.

 

7:44am • #62
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What pages are these issues addresed? I don't have time to read the entire bill, but would like to read the applicable pages prior to calling my Senators and House rep.

Thank you

7:58am • #63

Thank you so much for your involvement.  I agree, as Americans we have gotten lazy about keeping our politicians accountable.  There continues to be so much over-regulation and where does it stop?  Every time the government steps in they make a bigger mess of the problem.  I strongly believe the government needs to step out of this completely.  Don't hold back foreclosures, don't bail out banks, don't control the mortgage industry.  Some would say,"that will cause a collapse!!".  I say, "so what?". If they allow all the foreclosures to hit the market at once and banks that had bad business practices to fail then it will hurt the market, but the recovery will happen and we will be stronger for it in the end.  With the government getting involved we are taking the band-aid off slowly; prolonging the inevitable.  The worst problem is people don't learn their lesson.  I say, tell our politicians to go home and stop getting involved.

Tracy Anderson
8:40am • #64
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This is simply an outrage! I heard about this bill but it sounded so outrageous that I didn't give it a second thought.

Seldom government involvement, regulations and overseeing of programs produced anything worthy...start with Social Security (BROKE), Medicare (BROKE), Medicaid (BROKE), Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (BROKE) and other smaller ones - definitely a pattern and it's not a one you can be proud of...WE THE PEOPLE have been complacent for too long. Slowly but surely our freedoms and rights are being taken away and most the time WE THE PEOPLE don't even realize it. It is done quietly, under the umbrella of 'equality', 'fairness', or 'regulation' etc..

Capitalism teaches that the individual is what matters, let the state be the servant of the individuals. What made or actually makes America great is rights and money in the hands of the people. The state or government is the servant hence the word: public servant.

Communism or socialism teaches that individual people are too dumb and stupid to know what to do with capital, that the capital belongs to the state and it has to be taken away and given to the all wise and all knowing state. Let the state run everything and let the stupid people show up for their assignment. I came from there...

But I am sure that with WE THE PEOPLE involvement we will GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thank you Karen!

With smiles,

Bo in Yukon

8:59am • #65
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Lane:  The Nancy Pelosi quote.  I hope they study that in schools for generations to come.  I agree, Really???

 

Mary Jo:  Thanks for the town hall insight.  That is not the description we get from 60 Minutes or any other media source.  Why doesn't the press print things like your line "He doesn't have a clue how the mortgage and real estate industry works, but he knows how Washington works."  Fabulous.  But tragic.

 

Tom:  Hagan was not available? Burr was busy and spoke as he ran down the hall but we met for 30 minutes with his aide who was most supportive, took a ton of notes, gave us direction and promised that she and Burr would be discussing it that day.  She also gave us the name of someone she was going to contact about it as soon as we left the office.  I, too, want to meet with him personally.

 

Jackie:  I had the pages somewhere in my notes.  I will try to find that for you.  Beats reading 1200 pages!

 

Bo:  We have become complacent.  When we all feel enough pain, we will rise up and take our control back.  Right now, apathy reigns.  People have been so disollusioned they believe their actions won't matter.  Again, it will take the pain of the new legislations to get people beyond disollutionment to outrage and, finally, action.

10:21am • #66
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Karen--In our area we DO SEE owner financing, especially on small properties. Nice. I reblogged it.

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Erica:  Owner financing is nationwide and huge.  It is so important to our real estate market, now more than ever, because lending institutions simply aren't lending.

And.. this inalienable right may be taken away from us tomorrow.

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Karen,

Thanks for taking the time to do this and to inform the rest of us.  A lot of information that I normally would not have seen had it not been for your post on AR.  I am aware, thanks again.

12:16pm • #69

This is why I always respond when I get one of NAR's 'call to action' e-mails - hoping it makes a difference.

12:32pm • #70
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Thank you for that Pam.  We all need to support NAR.  We are a powerful group when united.

12:57pm • #71
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Jackie:  Here's where to find it:

HR 4173 - Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, is the current bill in which that text can be found, in Title VII. The specific language that has investors across the country worried is in Section 101(3)(e):

(E) does not include, with respect to a residential mortgage loan, a person, estate, or trust that provides mortgage financing for the sale of 1 property in any 36-month period, provided that such loan-

(i) is fully amortizing;

(ii) is with respect to a sale for which the seller determines in good faith and documents that the buyer has a reasonable ability to repay the loan;

(iii) has a fixed rate or an adjustable rate that is adjustable after 5 or more years, subject to reasonable annual and lifetime limitations on interest rate increases; and

(iv) meets any other criteria the Federal banking agencies may prescribe; This says that if you want to sell more than one property with seller financing every 3 years the law applies. That means you must undergo the same licensing, ongoing testing, bonding, proof of net worth, and reporting required of mortgage loan originators.

The passage of this legislation, in its current form will limit how many buyers are able to fulfill their dream of home ownership because many buyers often turn to seller financing when banks decline a home loan.

In fact, based on numbers derived from “The Invaluable Investor”, a study conducted by Personal Real Estate Investor Magazine through RealTrends and Harris Interactive, more than 26,000 homes each year are sold with seller financing or installment sales, which means there is more than $3.2 Billion in seller financed transactions each year.

1:00pm • #72
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This is just what we need, more regulation to add more unreasonable barriers to the home buying process.  Are they afraid that the home owner willing to carry back is going to take millions away from the banks who are just chomping at the bit to provide loans?  Thanks for catching this and attempting to do something about it.

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Karen, Thank you for what you're doing! I saw your post re-blogged on Candice Dinifrio's blog and I'm glad I saw this. A person who owns private property and wants to sell it, the type of financing they agree to is their business. And for the government to require licensing to do so...not neccessary.

2:41pm • #74
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Wow - not one person defending the government here.  Where are all those who keep saying, "The Government needs to .... "  Because they are getting what they wished for.

4:24pm • #75

Karen

 

This was my third Day on the Hill and I thought that this year was really no different than the previous two.  Politicians are so blinded by party loyalty that if you aren't talking about something that they are supporting then they really don't want to listen.  On the other hand, we actually dropped in on Bob Latta from Ohio (Republican) without an appointment and was pleasantly surprised that he visited with us for over 25 minutes.  He actually listened to us and took immediate action ( or appeared to take action) by telling his Legislative Director who was also sitting in on the meeting to contact HUD and get them in his office.  He actually looked directly at us when we talked and listened.  I was very much impressed.  I mentioned from the start that he was not in my district but he was close enough that what I had to say would affect his area as well.  Of the four contacts we made, I walked out feeling good about politicians.  The balance were all brush offs.

 

You know what?  We still have to do what we have to do.  I cannot make much of an impact as one citizen.  It is what I do with it that will make the difference.  I am now on the line to tell everyone I know who will listen and who won't.  But if I keep quite, the visit to Washington would have been in vain.

 

Thanks for the blog!

 

Don Newman - Toledo, Ohio

Don Newman - Ohio
4:34pm • #76
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Joetta: 

New mantra.. "This is NOT the change we voted for."

4:41pm • #77
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Don:

All the responses we received were so positive.  Most of the people we met with were aides, but they are the ones who so often determine where the focus lies.

Richard Burr met us in the hall on his way to a vote.  We talked at lenght with his aide and she took a lot of notes.  Very impressive. 

Howard Coble never acted rushed or in a hurry.  He listened intently and gave us some guidance.  He told his aide two people to get immediately ahold of to discuss this and said he had 4 Senators he intended to contact.

Will it happen?  Is the glass half full?  But, like you said, if we remain silent, we cannot comment on the situations that occur. 

I left our Day on the Hill feeling impowered and that I make more of a difference than I'd realized.

4:53pm • #78

I joined Karen as one of the six other teams on The Hill for this lobbying effort. Confirming the senators and congressmen/women were accessibe. the Republicans universally agreed limiting property rights for individuals was a negative and unitended consequence. the democrats almost to a individual wanted to portray investors as predatory and asking loan shark interest rates (on an installment sale where no money is lent?)

Watch Personal Real Estate Investor Magazine (at your local B&N or Borders in the business and finance section) for an article and lobbying tools to use in your market. These describe the value of real estate investors as one third of the market. www.PersonalRealEstateInvestorMag.com

Best Andrew Waite

 

 

Andrew Waite
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I will admit that I am not a mortgage broker and don't keep up with the legislation as much as I should...  But if I recall, these rules only apply to mortgage brokers, but not bankers.  Shouldn't the rules also apply to banks that do mortgages?

10:33pm • #81
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Good morning Karen,

Thanks for making the effort so you can educate the rest of us.

Vicki Rucker

 

Vici Rucker
4:26am • #82

Thanks for having both the patience and depth to deal with our government. I wouldn't have it in me.

11:32am • #83
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If Congress would worry about what Americans want instead of what lobbyists and special interests want, we would be in a better place.

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Karen - I had not heard this. Thanks for posting. ANd thank you for your investing your time into civil action.  Do you have a reference as to which sections of the bills will require this?

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I've been reading updates today. Fortunately, the Republicans want discussion on the bill.  Not, necessarily for our cause, but for other things including the fact that Obama wanted it passed today..  They have said that, if the bill passes today, it won't all pass..?  Not sure what that means or how that happens.  We continue to learn!

2:26pm • #86
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Sequel Alert:

Thank you to everyone for the fabulous comments. They are so well said and so varied that I wish you would repost them on my blog Karen's Perspective.

Out of fear and, no doubt, reality that few of you will.. I'm going to do another blog post that is just comments to the post. This legislation is huge and I want my blog readers to know that many of us are concerned for and passionate about what's happening in/with/to our government.

Thank you all.

2:36pm • #88
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Couple things to mention, HR 1728, is what I think you are talking about although I wasnt 100% sure. . .

 

However, it would allow for a seller to seller finance 1 property every 3 years.  So they are realy going after the investor more than grandma and grandpa. . . .

3:16pm • #89

Hey Karen,

Nice to see more people becoming aware, thank you so much for writing (and I'm glad AR gave you some featured traffic! - Thanks AR!)

Because I'm a RE broker who is also in the 'note business' (the buying and selling of privately held mortgages) I naturally function as an Owner Financing Coach and Consultant (so people know how to carry paper that can be sold for the smallest possible discount), so I've been following this conversation for a while now, commenting on the bill during the 'comment' period, writing my senators, etc.  I'm hoping that it will make a difference because, as many have mentioned, it's an unthinkable attack on private property rights.

I know several 'mom n pops' who have a small portfolio of properties, and they have planned all along to carry paper on them as part of their retirement strategy.  If they've got 10 SFR rentals, and they want to sell them with seller financing so they can quit the property management business and relax or travel or nurse their arthritis, the 1 every 3 years things really puts a crimp in their financial plan.

And investors are filling a very needed gap in the economy.  Sure, they're making money buying REOs for cash and selling using owner financing, but SO MANY FAMILIES would just not have a chance at home ownership if it weren't for these investors filling the gap.

In my opinion, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street and monetary policy at the top created the problem, and now they're 'fixing' it by regulating the hell out of everyone else, including Grandma and the local investor putting families with poor credit in homes.

One of the most disturbing things for me is how NAR really doesn't seem to care about the owner financing conversation, even though several of their members make significant commissions off of seller financed transactions.  I think there are substantial mortgage industry interests connected with NAR . . . RE brokerages who make more money selling loans than properties, etc . . . I've found their responses quite unsatisfactory.  They seem aligned with the big interests that are basically grabbing for everything in sight at this point.

Even though I don't 'originate loans,' but merely advise people on how to negotiate and structure seller financing transacitons to meet short and long term objectives, I'll be getting the extra Mortgage Originators license here in CA added to my broker's license.  Just gotta bite the bullet on that, even though my ability to put strong and ethical paper together is primarily derived from understanding the market in which notes are bought and sold.

I know it's a big quandry for others in the note business (most of whom are not RE brokers) . . . everyone's wondering how all these regulations and licensing requirements are going to play out. 

Anyhow, too long-winded, sorry.  Thanks for the post, Karen

Dawn

 

Dawn Rickabaugh
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Also, David Butler over at Creative Real Estate Online usually has some poignant thoughts, and is a good person to follow on these matters.

Dawn

7:02pm • #91
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"Did you know that a representative may change their vote after hearing from as few as only two of their constituents.

and there in lies the problem, they will change their mind as quick as that. I want a representative that has a pulse on what the people want and will vote his belief and if it is different we can vote him out. I am sick of him going with the status quo.

10:33pm • #92
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Everyone needs to get more involved in politics and the first thing to do would be to vote all incumbents out and vote for ones that will put into place term limits.

10:10pm • #93
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2010

Karen - Thanks for the great information. Thank you for fighting the good fight. This legislation could be quite damaging to all property owners and most don't understand it. The public does rely on REALTORs to look out for their proprety rights and without people like you our voice doesn't get heard. Keep up the fight.

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Thanks, Kathie. I appreciate your words.

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