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I was called by someone who found me on line.  She wanted me to find the solution to a problem.

It seems the three kids in the family have all moved on, with Mom still living alone in the old house they grew up in.  Until recently.  She was "continually sick with the flu" and only felt better when she went to visit one of the kids, all nearby.  Their conclusion:  the house was making Mom sick and they moved her out to figure it out.  That could really be true.  In this case it was true.

They checked with an air quality company but thought the testing was very expensive.  They "diagnosed" the problem, over the phone(!), proposed a testing protocol and ultimate solution.  And, they guaranteed their work.  I told her that if they can do that over the phone they simply have to be really, really good and cheap at twice the price...  She laughed.

Someone told them that a home inspector might be a cheaper option.  He was.  He was me.  Also cheap at twice the price!  But I offered no guarantees and wasn't sure I could figure things out.  But hey, she called, I went!  A real house doctor - black bag, lots of gadgets.  But this doctor doesn't diagnose anything over the phone.

I met her there early.  We walked around and through the house.  Mom's master bedroom was on one end, above the laundry/furnace room, and under the attic.  I saw no leakage from roof or plumbing and smelled no mold.  The house was pretty well kept up.

 

 

 

Going into the laundry/furnace, this is what I saw:

That is the water heater vent.

Not only was it disconnected 2" from the main exhaust stack, but to get there it pointed down for a while.

Not good.

Gee, I think it was leaking carbon monoxide.

And right under Mom's bed...

 

 

 

 

Going into the attic, this is what I saw:

That is a breach in the main exhaust stack.  What you can't see is that the hotter vent inside this vent was similarly disconnected.  You can see how the escaping heat causes condensation and therefore rust.

Not good.

Gee, I think it was leaking carbon monoxide.

And right over Mom's bed...

I think Mom was suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning.  Not enough to kill her, but enough to keep her in a sickly condition.  That is why she felt better when she went to visit the kids.

I wonder if the air quality company would have discovered this?  Don't know!

My recommendation:  Call a home inspector!  He may just be the house doctor you need.

And, seriously, install carbon monoxide detectors!  They are cheap and they work!  They will even go off when CO levels are high enough to give you flu-like symptoms, but not high enough to kill.  But, thousands needlessly die every year to something they could easily have been warned about in advance. 

Nationally, the detector road should be the MORE traveled by and THAT would make all the difference.

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia

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71 Comments on Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

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Kudos JAY!!!  WOW!!! how fortunate for her and her kids that you found the problem.  I understand VA is considering mandating CO detectors in homes with fuel heating/cooking/fireplaces in the near future....I hope they don't put them next to the smoke detectors as I have often found in homes that I take over for management!!!

7:19am • #1
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Aw gee...a home doctor that makes house calls....it doesn't get better !

7:20am • #2
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Wallace - the fire department tells me that the plug-in detectors have fewer false positives than the battery ones do.  FYI...

7:20am • #3
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Thanks for sharing. This should be required reading for every home owner.

 Blooming for Mother's Day in Maryland.

7:37am • #5
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Wow.  As an inspector, you've never seen it all, have you?  There's always some next big surprise lurking to be discovered.

8:10am • #6
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Good for you.

I solved the problem of a potential gas or carbon monoxide leak years ago when I decided to live in a gas free home. 

I LOVE MY HEAT PUMP.

8:40am • #7
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How fortunate you were called and that you diagnosed the problem. You hear stories of CO poisoning fat too often. A CO degtector is an expensive way to be safe.

Jeff

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Jay - Your post was reblogged on Lenn's blog, which is where I saw it, but wanted to thank you for the post as I was the victim of CO poisoning from my car many years ago.  Remember, the VW bug?  The way VW heated the air in the car was by running a pipe through a larger pipe that contained the exhaust fumes.  When the inner pipe rusted, no one could see it.  I didn't have flu-like symptoms, I just had extreme fatigue, but to the point where I knew there was a medical problem.  It was a mechanic who put two and two together and fixed the problem and my health.  I have gas heat, but I also have a CO detector (which now needs to be replaced, they say you should replace them every five years).

9:12am • #9
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Nice work, Jay. I hope the children showed their appreciation big time.

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Jay, thanks for writing on this important topic.  And congrats on your gold star!

9:42am • #11
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Thanks Roy - but common sense is hard to come by for some people.

David - that is my life - things lurking about waiting for me to find them!

Lenn - that's one sure fire way to solve the problem!

Jeff - there are many studies on CO detectors and which ones are not good.  Read up!

Gail - the same thing happened to me, in the same car, on the way to a Boy Scout canoe trip many decades ago.  I was sick all the way down the river!

Glenn - no kisses, just a hearty handshake and a check!

9:46am • #12
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Thanks Pat!  I didn't actually notice the gold star until just now.  What does it mean, featured posts?

9:47am • #13
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Jay, sometimes this stuff is not rocket science.  I have been reading some stuff lately about the effects of low level back-ground CO and how it may be affecting us in homes----levels below what is picked up on your typical CO detector.

10:14am • #15
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You saved her life with that serious hidden problem. I once had a similar experience where the neighbor had a new roof installed, we had a common wall between 3 story brownstone buildings. Their roofer tossed roofing debris down our chimney and plugged it up. It is unknown if they thought it was not in use. Long story short it went on for weeks before it was discovered. I experienced shortness of breath and was very tired. I always felt better when I left home too. It was discovered by accident and fixed before it was too late for me. guess I was also lucky.

10:14am • #16
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Lenn - that was my little play on words.

Charlie - I understand that most don't go off until 200ppm.  That has to be enough to make you sickly, but I don't know.  More research needed!  Here is a good link:   http://www.coexperts.com/dealer.htm and http://www.nationalcomfortinstitute.com/pdfs/COMonitor%20Contractor%20BrochureNP.pdf

Mary - Wow, you were lucky.  I think people should employ common sense and not assume any tube or flue is not in use.  This problem was surely wearing this lady, and YOU, out more quickly than necessary.

10:20am • #17
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Jay, Wow! The lady is really lucky to be alive. It could have been a whole lot worse. Good Job!

10:33am • #18
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Jay, Just think they could have lost their mother and never understood why.  Carbon monoxide detectors are cheep and could save your life.  I"m glad that their house doctor was you and you found the problem. They will always be grateful for your job well done.

10:36am • #19
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Jay,

That was excellent, and you solved the problem. I suppose undetected this low level poisoning could have done a lot of damage and been very disabling.

Good result.

Brian

11:12am • #20

In Illinois it is now required to have a CO2 detector within so many feet of every sleeping quarters.  Good Law and pretty cheap to follow.  It's sure cheaper to follow the law than pass away.

Now if We can get everyone on board with this!

11:16am • #21
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Michael - some days I think I am lucky to be alive!  I'm glad those two things were found too!

Diane - you have to wonder how many have died this way and it was never figured out.

Brian - I think low-level anything over time has to be disabling.  This surely was.

Jeremy - CO detectors are cheap.  It is unfortunate that it takes a law to get common sense into homes.  One would think all could think for themselves.

12:08pm • #22

Classic symptoms, I diagnosed it after reading the first paragraph of your post, why her kids couldnt figure it out is the mystery to me

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A recent home inspection for one of my buyers found a gas leak in the furnace. Not enough to make the house smell but could have been disastrous. I often think that a home inspector is worth much more than they charge beause what you guys and gals uncover can be devasting-almost like this lady. I am glad they found you and that you found the problem.

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One of my CE teachers (environmental issues) told a similar story about her own home - the CM leak was so bad that they said had she not ALWAYS kept a window cracked in her bedroom, she would have probably died.

 

2:25pm • #25
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Wow, good thing that was discovered. Good for you for potentially saving a life. 

2:48pm • #26

Wow, Good job Jay! Great post!!

3:54pm • #27
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Great Job! Inspectors bring value in so many ways! 

4:24pm • #28
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Hi Jay -- Great info, thanks.  I have a Nighthawk brand CO detector in the hall outside my bedrooms (gas furnace is in the basement), I hope everyone buys and plugs one in who doesn't have one already.

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Jay, Great story and great job by you. It may show my ignorance, but I'd not really though of using a home inspector other than as part of the sale of a home (both for the seller and buyer). It sure makes sense but it took your article to get it into my head. Your skills should be part of a part of a preventive maintenance program every 10 years or so! Bruce

5:36pm • #30
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Thanks for a great post and sharing your story.  I'm putting CO detectors on my shopping list!  I guess I'd never really thought much about it before.

5:39pm • #31
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Hi Jay~  God home inspectors are worth their weight in gold!  I am going to have check and see if we have carbon dioxide detectors in our house....

5:57pm • #32
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You are indeed The House Doctor and a mother's day present to the family. Also kudos to the grown kids to be looking out for their mom and smart enough to hire you.

6:14pm • #33
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Hi Jay:

Way to go!

You certainly gave her the best Mother's Day present....

Great story and a Happy ending!

6:54pm • #35
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Wow, that is no laughing matter. Good call on your part. It is not just about a leaking faucet when we hire inspectors.

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Ron - the circumstance didn't entirely unfold the way I wrote it.  I was trying to set up the story.  The flu complaints came out after I diagnosed the problem and asked if her mother was sick a lot.

Corinne - we have lots of gadgets, that my wife calls "toys."

Candice - that is a habit most of society no longer sticks to.  I go inspections all the time in houses where the windows have not been opened in many years for anything!

J. Philip - could be that the diagnosis did save a life.  But who knows.  We do what we do!

Thank you Richard!

Susan - cheap at twice the price, or so I heard somewhere...

7:25pm • #39
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Great job Jay.  I'm re-blogging this post.  I wonder what the phone inspection would have revealed?

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Chris - I recommend the Nighthawk brand in my book, which I give to buyers with the inspection report.

Bruce - I do preventative inspections every year for some of my clients.

Maureen - see above that I recommend the Nighthawk brand.  I have them in my house too.

Vickie - carbon monoxide detectors are not expensive and very worth their weight in gold... kind like a home inspector.

Nana Kate - one of the kids ran actoss one of my AR Localism blogs and looked me up!

Thank you Cathy.  And I enjoy reading that!

7:29pm • #41
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Toula - I guess all's well that ends well.  They are probably enjoying a nice Mother's Day too.

Joe - a house is a complex, inter-related system.  It needs to be investigated as such.

Patricia - thanks for stopping in.

Patricia - thanks for stopping in.

Gabe - who knows!  Can you believe that someone thinks they can diagnose something like that over the phone??!!

7:32pm • #42
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Dr Jay, glad you found out what was going on before something more tragic happened. They really just needed someone to go thru the house & investigate.  Great post.

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What an important post. Certainly makes you think carefully about some of the more distressed homes we go into -- not wrecks, just homes that may not have been well-maintained in this tough economic times. Also I'll be buying new carbon dioxide detectors tomorrow. Mine are coming up on the 5 year mark. Thanks you for sharing your information.

7:53pm • #44
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Lyn - I am glad too.  We inspectors investigate many things.

Leslie - thanks.  You can get carbon monoxide detectors most anywhere.  Get a good one.  I recommend the Nighthawk brand.

8:05pm • #45
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A neighbor commented on my Carbon Monoxide blog and I thought I would share it here:

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Jay - I read the recent post. I had carbon monoxide poisoning in college. I had the classic symptoms – flu, exhaustion, etc. My dad found the problem. None of my roommates had any problems, but I just wasn’t getting better. When my dad found it, we called the housing complex and told them. They said they’d send someone on Monday (it was Saturday). He said they’d better be there in 10 minutes or he’d call the fire department. They sent someone over with … get this … a roll of duct tape. Yep, that’s how they “fixed” the problem. I got better, but I wonder if anyone ever really fixed the problem.

I read a story not too long ago about another BYU student who suffered lasting brain damage because of a CM leak in her apartment. I got off easy, I guess.

Anyhow, just thought I’d share.

Cheers, Lanna

8:18pm • #46
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You solved not only a health problem, but found the carbon monoxide source. Great job. Everyone should get the carbon monoxide plug in.

8:41pm • #47
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Glad to hear you found the problem that made  the owner sick. We have a carbon monxide detector in our home..and I am so glad!

9:15pm • #48

Jay - Another example of the benefit of a "professional" home inspector. Always great to see the live saving efforts made by our industry on a regular basis.

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Hi Jay, This is a danger that not many people are aware of - and yet we all should be!  I was a victim too, many years ago.  Nearly died and nearly lost my young daughter too.  I remember staggering out of the house and collapsing on the front lawn with her in my arms.  When I woke up the fire department, gas company, and a crowd of neighbors were all around me.  My daughter was being given oxygen.  Terrifying! Turns out that there was a leak that the gas company fixed for me (at a price), and that solved the problem.

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Hi Jay, Bravo on a wonderful post!  Not only did you do a good deed for this family but writing about it may just save someones life one day.  About 15 years ago the whole family was sick for a couple of weeks, we just figured that the kids brought home the latest flu bug.  Then one night I woke up in the middle of the night and I realized that my husband was due to come home from work.  I  got out of bed and instantly had a stabbing headache.  I was dizzy and fell against the french door which luckily gave way.  I immediately went into a seizure on the deck, Luckily my husband came home right then found me and got the children out of the house.  The paramedics said that if I wouldn't have fallen outside into the fresh air I would have been dead.  As it was I was paralized for a short time and to this day still have a pin prick feeling in my legs.  My children were not affected because their bedrooms were in the walkout basement.  It turned out that a gas stove we recently bought was to blame.  I strongly recommend Carbon Monoxide detectors and of course good home inspectors when you think something is wrong.

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Save the day, very good work Jay!

11:46pm • #52
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Very nice story Jay.  Not always the bad guys are ya?  Serious though, you were sent from heaven to help a little lady out.  Way to go and earned a friend for life!

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Good job Jay. Lenn is right about heat pumps, but a good natural gas heater sure seems warmer.

12:57am • #54
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Hello: While I am not shocked that a home inspector recommends getting a home inspector, I agree completely!

1:58am • #55

For less than $100 a home can be safe from carbon monoxide with a good quality carbon monoxide detector. Hey Realtors, wouldn't that make a fabulous closing gift?

2:01am • #56

Good job, Jay!  I've been asking my husband to get carbon monoxide detectors for our rentals but it seems to be a low priority.  After reading this it's going on the white board.  Glad to get a hint about a good brand.

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David - I agree, but it is hard to force people to have common sense.

Rebecca - only one?   (;>)

Camarillo - just another service we offer!

Susan - I'm very glad you two could get out.  The house is full of detectors now, right?

Rain - that is a scary story and it was good you could get that door open.  CO is nasty stuff.  It evidently  killed off something in your body that never recovered.

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Fred - saving the day?  Kind of like Mighty Mouse...

Never the bad guys, Russell, never!

Tom - they are, but I understand where she's coming from.

Aaron - we home inspectors spend a lot of time trying to become better home inspectors.  Who else could you call?  Did you see my post on painting porch ceilings light blue?  You could call a ghost buster...

Pat - that would be a great closing gift.  And good ones can be had for much less than $100.

 

7:06am • #60
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Nancy - I recommend them on every report where they will be necessary.  And Nighthawk makes a good one.

Tina - it was written in a way to make it understandable.  I didn't really figure out how bad the carbon monoxide was until after I discovered the sources and she told me her mother's recent history.

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Jay, great blog making us aware of the danger of carbon monoxide in a home. Every state should follow Mass. in making carbon detectors mandatory in homes.

9:59am • #62

About a year and a half ago my good friends and clients lost their 18 year old son in a tragic CO accident.   He was an active, outgoing teenager who loved downhill skiing, being with friends, and was a promising young golfer who lettered for Flathead High School.  He died while watching over the family guest house on their property during sub-zero temperatures on a Saturday night. Since then his father has championed an effort to raise awareness of CO dangers including getting Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. to give discounts on CO detectors to anyone mentioning "Ian's Challenge"  There is currently a bill in the Montana Legislature to require CO detectors in rentals, new construction, etc. similar to currently required smoke detectors.

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A good home inspection is well worth the price.  Small issues can cause big problems.

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Thanks for the important reminder, Jay.

I had a similar problem with an elderly homeowner a few years ago - she had been on and off with stomach problems for months - no good diagnosis. Got the home under contract, and the inspector found a cracked waste pipe that was spewing stuff underneath the home - close to her well.  Sure enough, the well tested positive for bad stuff.  Cleaned both up, and her health returned.

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Good for you, and her, for finding the problem.  It is amazing that people do not use inspectors and carbon monoxide detectors more often.

12:54pm • #66
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Thank you for blogging about this. It is such an important issue, yet it gets overlooked by many.

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Thanks Jay! I am a huge fan of home inspectors! Always have them done...but have been remiss on getting a CO detector for my own home!  It's on the list now!

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I just moved in to a new home that is 20 years old.  I'm going to make sure my carbon monoxide detector is working.  Great post!

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Richard - I don't know how to legislate common sense...  What if someone in Mass dies from CO and they determine there was no detector.  What do they do?

Gregg - Did you know you should replace your smoke detectors every year because they lose their ability to detect smoke?  They simply can't legislate everything!  Ian's Challenge sounds great, and I hope it works.

Gene - I agree completely!  Or, as I say, cheap at twice the price.

Jeanne - wells are another problem altogether!

Jirius - again, I say that common sense is hard to mandate!

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Malcolm - and so many die needlessly each year from CO poisoning.

Susie - go get one tonight!  They are cheap and easy to find.  I recommend the Nighthawk brand.

Linda - read my comment to Susie!

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