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Some things would be different, that’s for sure:

  1. There would be no prices on the menu.
  2. The exact same coffee drink sold out of the same location on the same day would be sold at different prices to different people.
  3. Employees would be trained and encouraged to maximize the gross profit on every cup of coffee sold by setting the price as high as possible for each customer.
  4. Employees would be incentivised to push the coffee that made them the most money, even if they knew the customer was allergic to it, enforcing a strict no refund policy.
  5. Coffees advertised as decaf would, in fact, pack more punch than a triple espesso.

How long do you think it would take the coffee giant to fall? Not long.

Now, flip it around: What do you think would happen if mortgage brokers ran their business like Starbucks? They’d have a line running out the door, too.

But alas, this isn’t the case. Instead, you have the Mortgage Cartel circling the wagons to protect their right to earn money the way they always have—taking it by farce.

Todd Carpenter of Lenderama and Loan Bark! posted an interesting piece on YSP and APR, making the argument that a borrower should focus on what they’re paying, rather than what the broker is making. Easier said than done.

I can appreciate his position that it’s nobody’s business what the broker actually makes, provided the borrower’s getting a “good deal.” However, defining a “good deal” is a highly subjective affair. It goes well beyond comparing the APR’s of 3 or 4 quotes and depends very much on who’s doing the evaluation. A borrower may have gotten the best deal of those presented, but wound up paying much more than they could have. Not just a few dollars more, mind you—but tens of thousands more.

Attempting to compare mortgage deals using percentage based methods is flawed. Brokers should put out a ‘menu’ of prices. Why?

  • Rate Shopping/Quoting is a crap shoot. The problem here is even the best quote with the lowest APR out of the five brokers you’re shopping guarantees you nothing but the best deal between five brokers—all of which are looking at you as their next meal ticket.
  • APR is directly tied to loan amount. Think about it: Where $5,000 in fees may be a significant increase between the underlying interest rate and the APR on a $150,000 loan, the same increase may seem trivial on a loan amount of $500,000. The point is, the difference in APR may appear negligible to a borrower on higher loan amounts, while the actual financial downside can be huge.
  • Annual Percentage Rate. APR may be an easy way to compare the same deal from multiple brokers during the estimate stage, but unfortunately, by the time you make it from the initial disclosure to closing, that can change dramatically—and by then, it’s usually too late. Also, consumers tend to compare the APR to the interest rate they were quoted, if the APR is not much higher than the interest rate, consumers may mistakenly take this as the sign of a resonable deal.

If you haven’t figured it out by now, The XBroker is a staunch advocate of the 100% transparent mortgage transaction. This means truthfully disclosing every bit of YSP—down to the individual program, volume, and other bonuses offered by the lender.

My message rubs most Brokers the wrong way because they see me screwing with their earning potential. To them I say, if YSP is intended to be used to pay for closing costs—which is its expressed purpose—then they why does it keep turning up in the brokers pocket?

 

53 Comments on What if Starbucks Was Run by a Mortgage Broker?

OCT
24
2006
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Jeff,

Starbucks is hardly the paragon of virtue.  They sell caffeine to teenagers disguised as slurpees, Their drinks "off the menu" are priced differently all the time.  Employees are taught to "upsell"  and maximize gross profit on every deal.  I wish my shop ran like Starbucks!

I appreciate the message but you are grandstanding here. 

1- Mortgage transactions are transparent right now. 

2- APRs are a bad way to measure costs because they don't amortize to the expected payoff date. 

3- Are there bad brokers who take advantage of the system?  Sure.  But the Xbroker transparency won't stop them.  In fact, the scam guys will thrive under the Xbroker system.  The bad guys never worry about disclosure

10:06am • #1

Brian,

Wasn't shooting for the virtuous angle, arbitrarily chose a popular retail outfit...mainly tongue-in-cheek :)

My gosh Brian!  Mortgage origination is certainly not transparent...any banker can hide a rate inflated with YSP.  

APR's are a fine way to compare the total cost of the same loan terms between multiple broker/bankers.  A broker who provides a TIL on a 5 yr ARM with an APR of 6% is offering a better deal than another banker offering the same loan terms with an APR of 6.2%.  It is a very simple way to gauge the more cost effective deal.  Problem with APR is Brokers and Bankers can marginalize the differences rather easily with some crafty salesmanship.

XBroker transparency won't stop all brokers but will stop any of our licensed affiliates.  We provide borrowers anonymous access to correspondent pricing, par rates, the whole nine (especially with our pending proprietary automated pre-qual engine)....We also mandate our affiliates provide XClients (and us) with the Lenders Rate Lock/ Pricing Sheet and the actual wholesale rate sheet it was derived from. 

The scam guys cannot operate under the XBroker system of checks and balances.  If one of our affiliates is caught manipulating any of the above documents they are fired, the incident and all documentation are reported to their local and Federal regulatory agencies.  No scam guy in their right mind would try to manipulate this system...100% Disclosure is not an option; it is the rule in our community.  Any affiliate, who wishes to test us, does so at their own pending demise...

 

 

11:57am • #2
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This is one of those sticky things that will never be solved.  Crooked Finance managers in the automotive industry do the same thing.....only more often!
12:04pm • #3
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Great article,,, Here at Wells we are capped by the company on our YSP, this is a company rule and many people who interview from the broker world hate this rule because they can't screw their customers working here. I don't know of any other lender with the YSP cap?  I am in favor of this because people should not get robbed when getting a mortgage!
12:05pm • #4
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I agree that APRs are not the best measure as they can be somewhat manipulated as well as the fact that they do not amortize off the expected payoff date.  With the average length of a loan being just 4.2 years (source - Fannie Mae), APR is useless.

If you want transparency, etc., I would argue that the customer should deal with an Upfront Mortgage Broker as opposed to a Xbroker.  They have been around a lot longer with a solid reputation.  Oh and yes, I am an Upfront Mortgage Broker in case you are wondering.

12:09pm • #5

Robert,

I have been an advocate of Jack Guttentag and his UMB principles for quite some time.  

Although The XBroker is new, raw, and in Alpha stages, it will be defined by it's underlying broker/banker licensed affiliates.  We plan to approach Jack's UMB community in the near future (1/07) for potential cross affiliations...welcoming existing UMB's into a 'preferred' membership program. 

The XBroker seeks to add to the sound business principles of UMB's by developing an automated anonymous wholesale correspondent pricing pre-qualification engine (whata mouthful!), for a consumer to directly access (at no cost). 

It's 'simply' a lead generation technology platform that mandates it's broker/banker affiliates uphold to a UMB's pledged business principles...with some additional teeth to protect both consumer and broker. 

12:38pm • #6
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Jeff,

I think we agree but I'll illustrate how APR is not a fair comparison.  I'll use your example (and detail a bit more): 

Broker offer an APR of 6% APR on a $200,000 , five year ARM.  Fully indexed rate of 5.75% with settlement fees of $6,000.  The APR, as required to be disclosed by law is 6.02% because the fees are amortized over 30 years.  Now. let' stick a 5 year balloon in there and we'll see the TRUE cost of funds (He plans to sell and move in 3-5 years).  The APR jumps to 6.454.

Banker offers similar loan with $2,000 in settlement fees but a start rate of 6.0%, his disclosed APR is 6.2% (by law).  His REAl APR is 6.35% and is a much better deal; higher payment and all.

Ah, hell...you get the idea.  The law of disclosure doesn't really represent the true costs of funds in the marketplace because TIL calculations are not accurate in a "new loan every 3-5 year environment)  As I've said to you before, I can argue with you about the finer points but the Ashbys, Belongers, Bradys,Namiots, Martinez,  et all on AR are perfect for your model.

Pursue the cross branding with the UMB community. It will give you tremendous credibility.

1:44pm • #7

Here here Brian...I appreciate and agree with your thoughts. 

If all loans were created in a vacuum .... ;) 

1:51pm • #8
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Jeff, I love what you stand for, but the reality is that no one is on a fair playing field with the banking industry. That's not an excuse to gouge your clients, however, preception is often more important to customers then reality, and often you can EDUCATE your clients to the cows come home, but they will still do what they precieve as the best deal.  

I'm 100% with you, when the banks in this country have to disclose SRP and their backend profit.   

Karl Christen
3:06pm • #9
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Jeff,

I am glad you are following in line with the UMBA and Professor Guttentag.  Even though UMBA now has its own website and the individuals are not directly listed on the Guttentag's site anymore, I still get a reasonable number of leads from this avenue. 

The one thing I warn people shopping is that even the lowest rates and fees may not be the best loan for them.  They need to combine the UMB philosophy with seeking a proper mortgage planner to ensure integration with their financial plans (if that is there goal).

That being said, I may be interested in the cross branding product.

3:20pm • #10

This has to be the best comment I have ever received, across the board.  

SRP is the post transaction fee paid by Lenders to bankers, essentially for providing services that are otherwise an expense to the Lender if they were to acquire the same loan via a broker channel.  

Perception (while you're nosing through the dictionary, you may want to look up the proper spelling) is definately reality, which is why I have started from the content heavy platform I have...to change perception. 

idealist (n.) One who is unrealistic and impractical; a visionary.

It is a very fine line. 

Fortunately there are individuals like myself in the world, who are not satisfied with the status quo, who must lead when others only follow.  It is the pseudo-qualified cynic who motivates me more than any other.   For that I personally thank you ;)

 
3:37pm • #11
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Jeff,

I appreciate your ambition to lead but you have to understand whgy some of us "old-timers" in the industry are cynical of your proposed transparency change:

1- Loan City talked of this in 2002.

2- Bank of America tried this in 2000.

3- World Savings was actually quite good at it until they offered rebate pricing .

Here is your big challenge:  getting the word out to the consumers that THIS is the way to do business and that the "transparency" is tryly transparent.  I mean, how far back can we go with it?  To the Wall Street customer who buys the MBS?

I think you'll find that you're getting comments from the choir who actually believe in your philosophy.  The challenge is that so many leaders or visionaries have tried this before and gave up because the existing model is more profitable.

As always, I'm interested. 

 

3:59pm • #12

Robert...

Becoming an affiliated XBroker requires more than an active license and some extra marketing cash. 

We shall require an audit of selected sample of closed files (client personal info blacked out of course), credit and background check for the B-I-C, 2 years audited financials, (and/or 4 years experience), and a signed license agreement with terms that take the UMB principles to mandated and complianced level, before any broker or banker is granted affiliation status and may 'play in our sandbox'.

I assure you Robert (and the greater AR community), the t's are being crossed and i's dotted.  We are still 4 months away from a beta launch, 'stealth mode' if you will.  I maybe a newbie to blogging, not the mortgage and real estate industries.  


4:04pm • #13

Brian,

 "Here is your big challenge:  getting the word out to the consumers that THIS is the way to do business and that the "transparency" is tryly transparent.  I mean, how far back can we go with it?  To the Wall Street customer who buys the MBS?"

We stop at YSP...see my prev. comment re: SRP.  

1 causal variable between your cited entities and our approach.  The technology required to 'pull this off' was not available until maybe 18 months ago..prior to then it would have required an unpractical amount of cash to develop and more to maintain.   

'Web 2.0'... the advent of Mash-Up Technologies, offers the ability to create some efficient, potent, and symbiotic relationships.  

Can't offer up too much more than that for now...

I expect cynicism, plagarism, realism, the haters, the lovers, and every personality trait in between...hell I've already received threats for proposing to do what we are now moving forward with...both legal and physical..if you can believe that one!  This is why our sites registration is private and a 'semi-secretive' approach has been used thus far...yes really.  

 Ted Kaczynski doesnt belong to AR, does he?

4:23pm • #14
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As a lender/broker we:

1) Set maximum pricing to originators (kind of like posting prices on a menu so the salesman can't just make up a price)
2) Disclose Yield Spread (kind of like your Starbucks posting their cost on the menu next to the sales price) - by the way, lenders are not required to disclose YSP on the HUD-1 so we go above and beyond
3) Teach our applicants how to read a HUD-1 to see that the real estate side makes about 3 times as much as the mortgage side ... just kidding - we do that in case they go to another mortgage company who said they were beating our offer so at the closing they'll see how they got nailed

I'll agree with you on rate shopping. There's a saying I learned from one of my favorite real estate brokers over 20 years ago:  Buyers are liars.

When I used to advertise my rates on Bankrate.com I followed the rules. I never posted rates that required discount points. I always quoted fixed 30 rates with 20 percent down and they were always A Paper rates. I was usually .5% higher than everyone else.

But here's the deal on rate shopping (we don't quote rates anymore, by the way, until we have a scratch application) NOBODY can honor a phone quoted rate without getting some honest information from the borrower INCLUDING the value of the property, property condition, etc. So if you push for clients to rate shop you're the one causing the issue.

Call my office today and ask what our rates are. You'll love the answer. 

Oh crap. I wasted my time commenting. I didn't realize you were "The XBroker".

5:09pm • #15
Ken, you funny guy...You don't think the rates we propose to 'price/advertise' come from brokers or bankers do you silly?  They come from the same place you get yours from, the Wholesale Side Lenders...unabridged, untouched, unmanipulated, rate feeds.  What Wells Fargo offers their top producing shops, we 'offer'.  What WAMU, New Century, Argent, World Savings, GreenPoint etc...offer their top-producing shops, we 'offer'. If they are offering a .25 bps incentive for a purchase, we 'offer' it.  If they offer any bonus incentives for any program, we 'offer' it.

Except we offer it to the consumer first.  When you are dealing information from the source it doesn't matter if you are a broker or a banker, we can 'display' what any banker or broker chooses not to disclose.  We're just rebroadcasting info Ken, same as always, except we've gone straight to the source.   

 

5:43pm • #16
Just not the same...  Good thought though.
6:09pm • #17
The Price of Parody...:)
6:15pm • #18
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Actually, Jeff. I'm a lender. I get my pricing from what happens on the secondary market. I don't get my pricing from Wells Fargo. I don't know what you do or what you intend to do. I've read enough of your posts to know that your comments are regularly incindiary to the market I help shape. I'm not in the mortgage business - I am a business man who provides a service in the way I see fit for my clients. That's why we're a different kind of lender like you're trying to be different at whatever it is you are doing. More power to you. Just remember there are a lot of people out here who will never appreciate what you're trying to do. By the way, are you trying to appeal to brokers or buyers?
6:20pm • #19

Incendiary...had to look that one up. 

Appealing to both...Transparency(Consumers) for Commitment (Brokers/Bankers). 

Im interested in what you do Ken...checking into your profile....

6:25pm • #20
Showstopping Headline - you forced me to read on!
Kelly Mitchell
6:42pm • #21
Ahhhh...Someone got it!!!  Kudos to Kelly!
6:54pm • #22
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wow!! The back-and-forth comments were more entertaining than the original blog! ((sorry Jeff))

 

...I am still not certain that I can wrap my mind around any of it though... Will have to read it again. 

7:52pm • #23
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Jeff,

Thanks for the qualifications and as I said, I may be interested still. 

I already work in the UMB fashion, have for years.  Not sure I would use you as I work mostly from referrals and not sure a lead source is in my best interests right now.  I would need more info when you are ready to launch to decide if it fits my business model.  Nonetheless, best of luck to you.

8:25pm • #24
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Jeff,

Thanks for the blog, I have always wondered how that works and I was almost willing to goto Financing class to learn. This is awesome for me to know. Basicaly, I just wanted to know how others make their earnings.

9:03pm • #25
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Jeff,

I read a number of articles on your site.  BTW, nice page!  But here is one thought that kept passing through my head.  I realize the need to inform consumers of what they are getting into in terms of the loans they close.  I think that it's alittle short sighted to just blame brokers in these cases.  Allot of blame can be rested squarely on Account Executives and the Wholesale Banking business in general.  Their agents scour our offices offering the best pricing, yada, yada, yada.  Yes, we still are responsible to get our clients the best deal possible, but the games banks play are just as horrible as any mortgage broker.

Your personal example seems like a bad memory of the early 90's.  I remember Coast Security Mortgage and First Alliance Mortgage loan officers were thrown in the pokey and investigated up the wazzo by Television reporters, state investgators and federal agents.  In the past 5 years, in some states we've passed "Anti" predatory laws against brokers that attempt to defraud borrowers of their equity.  But funny thing, the Wells Fargo banker or the WaMu guy's can get away with murder!

I hear your plea for fair play, but you need to change the entire system.  From what I see you want to do what you can with the brokers, but the whole system is corrupt.  If you want to throw stones at Mortgage lenders, let's get into a discussion about why I should pay 6% for a real estate commission.  I think your argument is that alteast consumers know what they pay in a real estate transaction. But is 6% fair, maybe, maybe not, but it's up to the consumer!  Okay, then why do you suggest price fixing in our industry.  Should .Jack Guttentag or Jeff Corbin decide what all brokers should make in ever transaction? Or should we all work on flat fee's and never get commission?  Who's to decide?  Even in the financial planning industry this argument has been beat to death, and a number of experts think the client can only recieve fair play through flat fee FA's, but then the other side states that service suffers.  I know personally a number of people who love their commission financial planner, and think nothing of the fact he makes a good commission, on the other hand I know others who think commission FA's are the devil.  BUT GUESS what it's America and we can choose! But the problem in the mortgage industry is that if you handcuff mortgage brokers, through legislation or through self governance like you suggest, then your going to get taken to the cleaner by your competition...the banker!  And the banker can be the mortgage broker down the street, because a number of mortgage owners do both now.

Let me cue you in, #1  If I go to a correspondant lender and I do allot of business with that relationship, usually I get a BPS bump of a .25 to .50  based on the volume I do with that lender.  Will my client ever see it in a settlement statement or good faith, would I normally get that same pricing as a broker.  Hell no!  Banks can make and change the rules anytime they want, and what you'll see if your vision ever occurs is that exact scenario.  You'll be priced out of  business. And if you think you can compete with banks in terms of volume your crazy.

Look, I think the mortgage business will eventually go the way of the insurance industry, and we're going to be soon seeing a number of attorney's and others suing the crap out of brokers. Either brokers will dissapear as an viable business option in the mortgage industry, or you'll see mortgage bankers convert all loan origintators into employee's for their organizations.  And with the liberal rules in regards to Mortgage bankers, you'll still see business as usual.  Furthermore, the consumer will even have less knowledge in regards to their transaction.

Anyway, good idea but not a chance of it bearing fruit. I think the attorney's shut us down before everyone converts to the Xbroker wave.

10:03pm • #26
Karl, I am writing from my Blackberry, so Idont have the abilty to properly respond to your comment. However, I would really like to speak with you outside this thread to help you understand that what theXBroker is gearing up to be. Your well-thought comment deserves a worthy response first. Thx....
jeff
10:29pm • #27
Reminds me of why I became a REALTOR instead of a Loan Officerl...less headaches.
11:14pm • #28
OCT
25
2006

Derek and Marina...The post is meant to be thought (and comment) provoking...The comment threads always contain the better dialogue...so many opinions, all great to hear. 

Robert...watch out for The XRealtor, Fall 2007....  :-0 

Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond...compliments, questions, concerns, opinions...again, all great stuff.

12:12am • #29
This is great.....I knew there was a reason why im a realtor and not a loan officer.
1:32am • #30

Over the years, as a lender and a mortgage broker, I have beat the debate on the Rate/APR/YSP to death. It is no longer an issue for me. When my clients ask me about these things my response is always the same. The terms and costs that I am quoting to you are competitive and they are factual given a reasonable/acceptable tolerance from my original GFE (no bait & switch). I am not the highest nor the lowest. If you shop long enough you will probably find a better deal. What you can reply on from me is truth and service. I will tell you what you need to know and not what you want to hear. I am available/accessible (evenings & weekends). I am with you from application thru closing, present at closing and beyond. What is important to you will be important to me!

I seldom lose a pre-qual to a competitor. In 30+ years I have lost 1 loan at the closing table. In the last 2 years I have had only 2 loans denied and they where due to property issues.

Be honest, forthright, competent, and provide good old-fashioned service and life and business will march on!

6:21am • #31

I believe the capitalist system is self correcting.  Although “Greed” can be evil it does have its place.  It breeds “Competition”.  And competition has more to do with what consumers get charged than any other factor.  More regulations and rules just serves the crooked as it gives them more places to hide.

 

I would be curious to hear what XBroker deems as reasonable compensation for a LO or broker.

1:03pm • #32

Dennis:

http://thexbroker.com/blog/fixed-fees-for-a-broken-business.php
1:26pm • #33

Here too...An AR post, almost the same as the prev. link...

http://activerain.com/blogsview/16414/Brokers-and-Bankers-Must
1:36pm • #34
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Thanks for the open discussion and letting me be a fly on the wall!  You could blog about this for sometime with your comments if you could "dumb it down" for the rest of us. I don't believe I have a full appreciation of all the issues you've bantered about. I'd love to learn more!

2:32pm • #35

There is no such thing as a stupid question!!  Fire away Lisa...

Some people had to consult a dictionary (see prior comment), so dont feel bad at all ;) 

5:19pm • #36
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Wow, this has been an enlightening read, although, truth be told, the curve was much too steep for me.  I agree with Lisa here though, if you could dumb it down for us laymen, I'd sure appreciate it!

Jeff, I have a question for you.  Do you know anything about lending practices in the UK and how they compare to lending here in the States?  From my experience (living there for 5 years and owning 2 homes) I didn't feel as though their institution was as corrupt as it is here.  For one thing, I know that the qualification process is much stricter and foreclosure rates are much lower.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this???

7:11pm • #37
OCT
26
2006

Ill offer the relative little I know...

 The US Mortgage Backed Security market 'securitized' mortgages about 10 years ago, causing a HUGE influx of secondary market buyers and sellers into a market that was traditionally very similar to the UK...conventional and conservative. 

This 'evolution' of the marketplace and the advent of technology within has increased the velocity of capital, thus increasing the American Lenders ability to, well, lend.  The result you get is 'easy money' in the USA, when compared to the UK.    

You hit the nail on the head...stricter qualification guidelines = less default = less foreclosures.

Here are some Wiki-fied definitions of the two markets....

11:39am • #38
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Thanks Jeff!  Notice how Wiki calls the UK lending market innovative a number of times? Maybe something to research a bit more......... I personally think that we should emulate the UK market more.  They've proven that de-regulation doesn't have to mean chaos (unless you're talking about the British rail system that is ;) )

And I would say that I prefer the estate agent structure much better as well, but I might get tarred and feathered...... so I won't.

2:07pm • #39

Yes, yes...unfortunately it would be a task equivalent to pushing water back up-stream. 

Hopefully we can administer some checks and balances within this market to curb the chaos :)

2:12pm • #40
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Jessica - the institution is not corrupt - some members of the institution are corrupt and have low ethics. I still don't know what Jeff does because I haven't taken the time to investigate although he has requested a phone conversation next week and we shall speak.

As a lender I am proud of what I do - I am proud of my employees. We are very focused on being not only compliant but being the type of lender to whom clients return time after time - and we are. We have nearly 40% repeat clients and a large percentage of the remainder are referrals. I think I have an idea what Jeff does but price fixing and exposing the "dirt" isn't going to change either the industry or what the general public client can expect from the industry.

Here's a "real world" example. Let's take the same exact loan amount $185,000 let's say. Then let's say that both clients are looking at a fixed 30 term and this is to purchase a new home.

Client (A) has credit scores averaging 750, has a DTI of 30%, has been at the same job for 10 years, never had a late payment, default or judgment.

Client (B) has credit scores averaging 590, has a DTI of 52%, has been on the same job for 6 months but in the same industry (line of work) for 2 years and has had 3 credit card late payments of 30 days each in the last 2 years, has a judgment on a collection and defaulted on a loan resulting in a charge off 5 years ago.

Both clients want a no down payment loan so they can do the smart thing and keep their cash in their pocket.

Client (A) may get an interest rate of 6% and pay 1% origination with 1% YSP.

Client (B) may get an interest rate of 7.35% and pay 1% origination with 2% YSP.

Doesn't look fair at first glance, does it?

Now we're at risk assesment. I, me, Ken Cook, has an employee who is going to decide whether or not to write the check (because it is ME who writes the check, not the applicant) to purchase this property on behalf of the client and allow them to repay me on a monthly basis (or the investor to whom I sell the loan).

Furthermore my underwriters are most likely going to get everything they need from Client (A) because they care about their business and have excellent records but they are going to have to "pull teeth" to get the required documentation from Client (B) who's sloppy and carefree lifestyle caused them to have bad credit in the first place.

Same loan amount. Same loan solution. Lot's more RISK and EFFORT for Client (B).

Let me be 100% honest with you: "Fair" lending acts are intended more to "level the playing field" for borrowers than they are to rid the industry of predatory lenders. Although there are some lenders who I would classify as predatory and they are the "big guns" you see advertising "no closing costs", "fixed cost loans", etc. The example I cited above is a very real example. It's an example where risk and amount of time required dictate pricing. In fact, the "big guns and dot coms" you see advertising on TV won't even lend to some of the people other lenders will. In the end, many lenders don't want to do loans under a floor level in states with FLA's at all because the risk outweighs the return.

The problem is not regulation. The problem is ACCURATE education to the client. I do a minimum of 2 completely free 3 hour workshops every month which teach applicants about loan pricing, secondary market function, pre-payment penalties, adjustable rates, indexes, margins, cap rates, floor rates, etc. In that seminar I tell clients how to read a GFE and TIL and see the YSP. I also tell them that FIXED COST LOANS are the best way to take one in the keister if they don't know about rate pricing.

Making loans cheaper is not the way to fix people's stupidity which causes them to have bad credit and bad business practices raising their level of risk to the lender/investor. The way to fix it is to educate the borrower to cherish good credit, use good business practices and money management skills and STOP OUTSPENDING THEIR BUDGET.

That's not my fault and it's not my fault if your credit risk is too high for par pricing. If you (any borrower) presents a higher risk or causes more effort to be required to process and underwrite your loan it's going to be you who pays for that work and risk. Or you can keep renting a trailer.

2:38pm • #41
A very interesting comparison (Starbucks vs. mortgage office).  Thank you for the perspective...something to think about.
2:43pm • #42

Ken...What a comment!  Your articulate explanation of credit risk pricing factors and circumstances is worthy of it's own post, and something I would like to refer to (if I may) in the future.  But please wait to pass judgment on exactly what I am proposing until we can speak ;)   It's much more than price fixing and rolling dirt.  To label me as another potential 'Discount', fly by night idealistic radical, is short sighted but understandable, considering it is difficult to discern what my actual 'play' is.   For someone who preaches transparency, I'm not doing a good job of practicing it, granted, but for well founded reasons that we shall discuss.

I have gotten the point that many individuals who read my posts think I am slinging mud indiscriminately at the whole mortgage industry and everyone in it is a crook, so let me clear that up.

The majority of individuals who practice mortgage origination have NO business doing so, for at least one of many reasons...i.e. relative inexperience, shallow knowledge base, high greed factor, focusing on the transaction and not the situation, I could go on.  When you allow unqualified individuals to practice as financial experts in an unregulated, veiled, complicated and lucrative trillion dollar industry, it really is only a matter of time before the institution consumes or corrects itself.

Ken, you are in the minority of mortgage originators (general term for anyone who sells a mortgage to the public) as (i'm quite certain) most members of this community are.  It is people and businesses like you and yours that maintain some sort of ethical assemblance in this institution.  Alas, for every Ken, there are 100 mortgage dirt mongers...it is the disturbing truth.  There are not a few bad apples spoiling the bunch, the whole orchard is infested...businessmen like yourself are a genetic anomaly, impervious to the predatory practices that are so commonplace; they often get shuffled into a generalized bucket of back page news.   Very few people understand the repercussions 'white collar' misdealings.   But if a mortgage broker broke into a client’s house and stole $1000, the 'blue collar' crime would make front page news.  Getting tangential....*focus*

I love the mortgage (and real estate) industry...they are my passion, my living, my fiber. I am here to protect through education coupled with a solution.  Brutal honesty with the right amount of ‘flair’ can ruffle feathers and wake people up, which is my intent, just not towards people like you Ken :) 

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3:41pm • #44

The comment thread of this post has caused me to begin writing it's antithesis: 

'What if a Mortgage Brokerage Was Run by Starbucks?' 

3:41pm • #45
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When I say that the institution is corrupt, surely you didn't think I meant that every mortgage lender is unethical did you?

Not all priests are pedophiles either, but if you have an institution that turns a blind eye to such behaviour, IMO things need to change...........

Based on a conservative estimate predatory lending costs Americans over $9 billion a year. I did just post a blog about unethical lending

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Jessica - you finally inspired a full blog: http://activerain.com/blogsview/17139/Starbucks-has-nothing-to

The leaves are beautiful, the mountains look like candy and it's raining like Noah's flood. So I had time to write. 

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