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Beam Me Down, Scottie

Reblogger Lenn Harley
Real Estate Agent with Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 303829;0225082372

WHY DID THIS HOUSE EVEN GET TO THE HOME INSPECTION PHASE???

As Jay said, this property contained many defects.  Did the buyer even tour the property before making the offer???  Was the price just too good to pass on??? 

What did the disclosure, if any, disclose.  I believe this would have been a Virginia property since Jay is in Virginia.  That is even more risky for home buyers.  Virginia doesn't require disclosure and few sellers use the disclosure route.  Caveat emptor is the nature of business in Virginia.  I have no problem with that but, why did the buyer even write on this house????

Did the buyer's agent have blinders on???  Did the buyer write without touring the property??? 

Was there a buyer's agent?? 

Or, was the buyer a BUBBA???

It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to know when a house is unstable.  Why did this buyer have to spend home inspection money to be told the obvious.

Courtesy, Lenn Harley, Broker, Homefinders.com, 800-711-7988.

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Original content by Jay Markanich 3380-000723

While in a crawl space recently I couldn't help but notice a poorly-founded beam.  This is the main support beam under the center of the original portion of a country home with numerous additions.

The beam has moved as the makeshift columns underneath have moved.  This is very poorly done.  This has likely been shifting downward from day one.

Beam support is crucial to the entire structure of any house.  This is a "built-up beam," composed of three 2x10" planks that are only nailed together.

Not only is the beam not supported well, but it is also not sufficiently-sized for what it is asked to do.  And the planks are merely nailed together, with no support under the splices.

This beam should have been made more solid with numerous through bolts in addition to properly-spaced and founded columns underneath.

How do I know it has moved?

These are just two of many photos I could have taken of the wall above that beam.  The gap of the settling kitchen floor on the left is 1 1/2" and the gap of the living room floor on the right is 1".  That gap varied all along that same contiguous wall.  And walking along the wall created quite a bounce!

My recommendation:  Transference of load onto proper support is what makes a house stand for a long time.  Start at the bottom and work upward to see if support is large enough and properly positioned.

You can beam me UP now, Scottie.

 

 

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Comments(20)

Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

That is a scary picture of the crawl space. I was not aware that there are no disclosure laws in Virginia.

May 19, 2010 12:18 AM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Lenn, no disclosure laws? Well, even here with disclosure laws the seller can elect to pay $300 at closing for not providing one. Big deal... then there is always, "I didn't know". Or if it were a home the seller never lived in, they dont' have to provide one.

That is scary. And that is the perfect reason to make sure you have a home inspection done, no matter what you think you know.

May 19, 2010 12:26 AM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

Per usual, Jay's elegant phrasing at work...."not sufficiently-sized for what it is asked to do"

May 19, 2010 12:28 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

GITA.  Disclosure in Virginia is completely optional and rarely offered.  Known material defects, OTOH are required to be disclosed by the owner and their agent, if the agent knew.

Andrea. It's not that there is no disclosure.  It's just that it isn't required, unless a known material defect. 

Wallace.  Indeed. Jay has a way of describing items with interest.

May 19, 2010 12:36 AM
Dick and Dixie Sells
Sells Real Estate, LLC - Trinity, FL
Realtors, Tampa Bay Florida Homes For Sale

Wow- that is pretty scary looking underneath there. I too like Jay's phrasing on the problems.
A home inspection is a necessity. Period.
Dick and Dixie

May 19, 2010 01:00 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Lenn - my inspection was to tell him if he should make an offer.  The price had dropped from $650K to under $200K.  He thought he could fix it up for less than $50K.  I don't think he had been in the crawl space, but don't know.  The other problem is that the house is too large already for the neighborhood, a rural kind of place with smallish, cape cod homes.  He walked...

May 19, 2010 01:07 AM
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate

Lenn these pictures clearly tell the story with this home...YIKES!

May 19, 2010 01:11 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Jay.  Interesting.  It's rare for a buyer to have a seller's permission to do an inspection prior to making an offer.  It's a smart move, but not always possible to do. 

Adam.  You're probably not alone.  Hopefully the lessons weren't too expensive.

Bill.  That's what I said, YIKES!

May 19, 2010 01:15 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Wow. Pretty scary.  If I were the home inspector, you wouldn't find me crawling under there.  I guess if the price is low enough anything can be corrected.

May 19, 2010 02:24 AM
Michael J. Gallo
Florida Luxury Realty - New Port Richey, FL
Florida Luxury Realty - Gulf Home Sales Team

Crawl Spaces Creep me out Anyway, This one is extra scary.  Home Inspections are Super Important and having one done before the offer or contract is Very Wise of the Buyers.  Sometimes its worth the money to save the later aggravation.  Thanks for Sharing this Post Lenn.

May 19, 2010 03:20 AM
Michelle Gibson
Hansen Real Estate Group Inc. - Wellington, FL
REALTOR

Lenn - Not shocked that the buyer walked, but just from that one picture in the kitchen you can tell there are structural problems, did nobody look down?

May 19, 2010 04:57 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Rob.  Indeed.  That's one house I wouldn't want over me.

Michael.  Few buyers have an opportunity to have a home inspector see a house prior to contract.

Michelle.  HA!  That's exactly what I said.  How on earth did this thing get as far as it did.  Then Jay explained the potential value. 

I had a similar experience with a historic property in Mont. County, MD.  The basement showed the house was "shorred up with beams that were not secure and not plum.  The upper levels showed a lot of separation and sloping.  However, the buyer didn't trust my judgment and got a builder friend in to look.  The builder told him exactly what I did. 

Oh well.

May 19, 2010 05:52 AM
Lou Ludwig
Ludwig & Associates - Boca Raton, FL
Designations Earned CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC

Lenn

It looks like a very poor inspection.

Good luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

May 19, 2010 08:40 AM
Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service

I guess that is why buyers need a professional realtor who knows what they are doing - and recommend a good inspector - and keep the dates straight!

May 19, 2010 08:50 AM
Petra Norris
Lakeland Real Estate Group, Inc. - Lakeland, FL
Realtor, Lakeland FL Homes for Sale

Lenn - I hope the buyers knew when they received the inspection report to withdraw their contract or re-negotiate.  You raised some legitimate questions

May 19, 2010 10:48 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Petra.  According to Jay, this was a "pre-contract inspeciton"  The buyer didn't proceed.

Nicholas.  You bet that's what buyers need.

Lou.  It was just a "look" to see if the buyer wanted to proceed.  He didn't.

May 19, 2010 11:09 AM
Amy Hahn
Pine Knoll Shores Realty - Morehead City, NC
Realtor/Broker - Crystal Coast, NC

I am with you Lenn:

"It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to know when a house is unstable.  Why did this buyer have to spend home inspection money to be told the obvious".  At least they had the inspection done prior to making an offer.  I personally would not have needed one, but Hey, it's their money.

May 19, 2010 11:26 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Amy.  I've been in the same situation as the agent for that buyer, if there was an agent. 

I've generally advised buyers that

This house is unstable and appears to have a failed footer and the house is sinking on the back right side, evidenced by internal cracks, windows and doors that didn't open and close properly, cracks going through bricks, etc.

Yet, the buyer wanted a structural inspection at a cost of $1,500 to get a report to tell them that the house had a failed footer. . .etc.,. . . etc.

 

May 19, 2010 11:34 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Lenn, WOW I guess there is a Buyer out there for every house.  What were these people thinking?

May 19, 2010 04:07 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

George.  It appears that they believed that "the DEAL" justified the risk.

 

May 19, 2010 10:43 PM