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The Baby, The Bath Water and The American Dream (A Reality Blog)

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WARNING: Explicit truth told here. 

Think it's a joke?

Virtually everyone jumped on the backs of the mortgage banking world when the CNN generation started firing fatal shots. You didn't hear the screaming pleas coming from the lending world for people to PAY THEIR MORTGAGE but they were there. No, the people just kept buying Lexus automobiles, Donzi boats, running up tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. Then not being able to afford the lifestyle THEY created they stopped paying their mortgage payments.

Fortunately my own company issued very few loans that "went bad" less than 1/8 of a percent of our loans have early payment defaulted. But, in the ones that did, the people were WELL qualified and demonstrated enough assets and disposable income to easily qualify for the loan - they simply chose to make a series of bad financial decisions OR simply chose to stop making their payments.

What happened?

Whether it was a Lexus or a Mercedes is immaterial but the fact remains that they did not care enough about their mortgage to pay it first and live the lifestyle second. No, they wanted that new home in that nice subdivision and they needed the status symbol to go along with it. So, damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead they got into an eight hundred dollar per month car payment PLUS insurance, maxed out their credit cards and loaded up on 12 months same as cash entertainment systems, top of the line appliances and custom made furniture and did not do a thing to prepare for it.

It's STILL About Personal Responsibility

And I am SICK AND TIRED of hearing the ENTIRE LENDING INDUSTRY BLAMED for capitulating and answering the cries and pleas of the nation with funding The American Dream. The talking heads shouted "equality!" "fair lending!" and the investors answered and provided EXACTLY what the masses (the Democrats 1988 Fair Housing Ammendment) and the media demanded.

This is EXACTLY Why those people DID NOT DESERVE THOSE HOMES

What do homes do for people? Home ownership gives the opportunity for an ordinary person to become a participant in the fabric of America. It gives them pride in their self, care and concern about their community and causes them to take a much longer look before electing politicians serving their area.

Unless they were useless to begin with ...

Take a kid out of the streets of the slum, pay for their college, give them a multi-million dollar athletic contract and watch them blow it all in a few years or even months. Watch them make stupid decision after stupid decision and kiss their career goodbye because dog fighting was more important than being a good citizen.

No, this kind of person has a much more difficult time transmutating from SHITizen to CITizen.

THEY NEED OUR HELP

For years I have begged for education not legislation. America, pay attention - you CANNOT LEGISLATE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS.

Any ignorant senator or congressman who thinks for one second that "going after the mortgage brokers who did this" is the right thing to do needs to move their dumb-ass to podunk Mexico and grow yams.

This is all about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and I guarantee you any judge with any common sense could take a look at ANY ONE of the thousands of defaulted subprime loans and say, "Why aren't you just making your payment like you agreed to do?" 

These borrowers were told they needed to buckle down, pay all of their payments on time, never miss a payment, REFINANCE BEFORE THEIR ADJUSTMENT PERIOD and then start living a better lifestyle. America is in trouble and there is one REAL way out:

SUBPRIME BORROWERS: Do everything you can in your power to save YOUR home. Sell your boat, stop tossing back $60 scotch or 4 beers every night, quit smoking, eat at home, mow your own grass and do your own laundry. In other words PAY YOUR PAYMENTS, meet the obligation you entered into willingly and knowingly.

See you at the polls next November. I dare you to vote for inexperience in a time like this.

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EDUCATION BEATS LEGISLATION EVERY TIME. Get your clients, friends and family members to a LENDER RUN home mortgage seminar as soon as possible.

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Comments(42)

Gary Miljour
American Financial Network, Inc. NMLS#207208 - Southern Pines, NC
Mortgage Originator NMLS Licensed in AZ and NC

Two Comments:

 Ken, 

I think you made a valid point that consumers need to take social/financial responsibility for their own actions.  If this was said harsh, well these are tough times and sugar coating things usually do not work.

 

Amber Eyez,

I think having compassion for the consumer/client is what we all strive for.  I also agree that bad things sometimes do happen to the wrong people.  Consumers hired us for a service and we are the professional and needed to provide that service in an honest and upfront manner.  However I can give you many examples in my career of giving clients great advice or not giving them a loan because I felt they were making a bad decision and I advised them not to do that loan.  Most of these clients turned around and went to another lender who took advantage of them or allowed them to max out their equity to buy toys.  Yes there was some lenders taking advantage of clients, but I do not think they are the ones sticking around today trying to help these people and coach them into good fiscal responsibility right now.  But I think Ken's point is that the real estate community as a group needs to undestand this and we need to be direct with our clients. 

Aug 08, 2007 06:17 PM
Anonymous
Amber Eyez
Gary, I hope you are right...however, I have seen plenty of predatory real estate agents that are still open for business - and others who were resonsible that are struggling or out of the biz by now.  I turned away several buyers becuase I thought they were stretching way too far for that loan.  People who went for 100% down and had little money in the bank were among my top concerns.  If anything went wrong with their income stream, they were in terrible trouble.  Being honest enough to do that in my first year when customers were scarce HURT!  I needed every single sale I could get, but I wasn't going to be party to a blood bath.  Granted many of these people went to other agents and lenders.  But a couple stuck with me and downsized their expectations.  One of them called me to say she was glad she listened to me. By now she would have been in big trouble.

But the initial poster was all too eager to place blame soley on the consumer. Just because a consumer wants something, doesn't mean we abandon our fiduciary and MORAL obligations. Personal responsibility is important - but so is PROFESSIONAL responsibility.  That includes NOT giving people what they want when it could actually be ruinous. Its very easy for people in sales to hide behind the guise of "personal responsibility."  "I didn't MAKE you sign that loan."  COME ON FOLKS.  Personal responsibility goes hand in hand with professional and social responsibility.  A lot of what I saw posted here indicated that later two were not required of a decent society.  The downfall of society is far more likely when individuals (including business people) feel they have no social or professional responsibiity for those who they work for. 

Btw, check out you medical policy!  I'm not kidding. My father is an attorney.  He SHOULD know better, but he joined a medicare HMO thinking it offered him good coverage.  Finding him good care that the HMO would accept has been very difficult. It would have been impossible if I had not been in the medical field before.  Despite my best efforts, his illness will probably bankrupt him - if he is fortunate enough to live so long. Talk about fraud.  Many a person facing foreclosure are victims of health insurance that doesn't deliver the minute someone gets seriously sick.  Thank you SOOOOO much George Bush for allowing managed care professionals to run amok!  I'm sick and tired of hearing that free markets "fix everything."  My field was outsourced to the point that my doctorate is now only worth only $30k a year(it was worth between $90-110k)  and HMOs tell doctors what they can and can't do and boot the sick OUT of insurance coverage on technicalities.  So much for the free market.  Free markets without regulation create anarchy. 
Aug 08, 2007 06:48 PM
#24
Gary Miljour
American Financial Network, Inc. NMLS#207208 - Southern Pines, NC
Mortgage Originator NMLS Licensed in AZ and NC

Amber Eyez,

Being a lender, one of the biggest debates going on in the mortgage banker/broker industry is the word fiduciary. 

Right now for instance, in the State of Arizona, a lender (loan origiantor) does not have a fiduciary responsibility to their client. 

I have heard that more States also follow this same statue code in their State Laws.

This is one of those debates that are being weighed if a lender should be legally bound to a fiduciary responsibilty. 

I personally feel we should be. However, right now its not required. I agree we should not abandon our MORAL obligations, but this is  wierd time we are heading into and until the big brother steps in and forces changes, its hard to govern one persons moral compass from another. 

Thanks for your return comments:

Aug 08, 2007 07:24 PM
Allison Stewart
St.Cloud Homes - Saint Cloud, FL
St. Cloud Fl Realtor, Osceola County Real Estate 407-616-9904

Ken

Don't hold back now...tell it like it is! 

Aug 09, 2007 12:03 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Wow! Great comments from everyone. Yes I am very passionate about this. I run a company of truly good people who actually care about our clients. Do I think there are loan officers, mortgage brokers and lenders out there who are evil? Yes! But let me repeat - GREED and IGNORANCE put people into EVERY situation including the very few who have lost their jobs. Sorry Phylena but the lost my job excuse is not valid either and I bet if you lost your job you'd scramble like mad to find something else to get you through. Firstly unemployment is still extremely low and there are thousand of vacant jobs in Atlanta alone. I was taught to DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to meet my obligation. I have worked 2 full time and one part time jobs at the same time more than once and that's what I expect of others. And, for the record, every lender has a hardship program to help people through a rough time like the loss of a family member or being injured or having an illness.

Julie - great list! Charles - reality indeed.
Bryant
- oh man, that's the point right there.
Leigh
- hell no!
Gary
- uhm, yes. We're there now.
William
- I kind of wish you were related to Micheal, then you could pass along my greeting.
Karl
- man you need to write a blog on your comment!
Randy
- thank you for the chuckle!
Carol
- more fish and shoes in your life!
Shaun
- you do well.
Chrissy
- everyone should learn from you, please blog on that. Please!
Jennifer
- keep campaigning for rightness!
Bob
- We haven't met, let's get together soon.
Rosemary
- exactly why I say education not legislation. People are ignorant even if they are smart. Joe - you've identified my character flaws.
Justin
- reserves? Not with these got it spend it people.
Gary
- I, too, have eaten beans (and Raman noodles).
Jim
- not really sure I understand your question. Call me, my number is on my profile. Tell the answering party you are calling through Active Rain.
Amber
, wow - do you feel better now? There are special provision made for people like your father and, it's sad and I feel your pain because my father died in 1986 and his death ate up a huge portion of his savings. He was a man who once had done well and died almost penniless. Welcome to earth. And you are right - I put full blame on the borrower(s) who signed the documents and will never remove that blame because that's EXACTLY where it belongs.
Matt
- exactly why I support licensing and bonding of EVERY loan officer and mandatory pre-loan education for borrowers.
Allison
- honey if you knew me ;) Nobody ever wonders what I'm thinking.

Aug 09, 2007 01:29 AM
#27
Margaret Woda
Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc. - Crofton, MD
Maryland Real Estate & Military Relocation

Ken, I've been listenting to and reading lenders for over 30 years now, and your post ranks up there with the best.  The lending industry seems to have operated within the law while responding to consumer demands.  Laying the current situation solely at the feet of lenders - all lenders - is irresponsible and unfair.  Just my opinion.

Aug 09, 2007 01:48 AM
Rebecca Savitski
BSR Real Estate Group - Cary, NC
NC Real Estate Listings
WOW - I love it. Everyone knows their own personal limit.
Aug 09, 2007 01:57 AM
Steve Norris
Meridian, Idaho - Meridian, ID
Silvercreek Realty Group

For the most part, I agree.  About the personal responsibility, I agree.  That there are many folks who ate their seed corn (or seed yams) rather than prepared for the inevitable dry spell is a fact.

But Amber Eyez is right in that we have, IMAO, a duty (whether fiduciary or moral is irrelevant) to discuss the upside and the downside with clients.  Too many times, people in our business (real estate agents andmortgage originators) are cheerleaders and touts more than responsible advisors.  Will everyone make the best decision for themselves?  No.  But it is our duty to fully inform them of all possible ramifications of their decision.  After that it is a matter of personal responsibility for people to live with and follow through on the fully informed decision they've made.

Good topic.

Aug 09, 2007 02:21 AM
Ken Cook
Content, coding, marketing, host. - Marietta, GA
Content Marketer/Creator
Margaret - thank you. Those are powerful words.
Rebecca - Everyone does know their own personal limit, they just deny it.
Steve - You are right about our responsibility, I don't have one borrower who didn't sign an ARM disclosure and read the CHARM booklet and we take it even farther and send a letter with adjustable or interest only loans that the borrower signs. So, we may be assuming here that every one of these borrowers who is in default did not sign an ARM disclosure and read the CHARM booklet which is required by federal law. Thank you for your comments!
Aug 09, 2007 02:46 AM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

If I have said it once..... I have said it a million times....

Many families who couldn't get financing before were given a shot at the American Dream.... And they squandered that chance!!!

Aug 09, 2007 02:59 AM
JR Sangiuliano
CENTURY 21 JRS Realty - Clark, NJ
I agree with your post, however there were many companies just looking to get paper passed knowing the people would not be able to afforded these homes in 3 to 5 years.  The industry may have answered a demand by the masses, however many mortgage reps knew what would happen.
Aug 09, 2007 03:32 AM
Ken Cook
Content, coding, marketing, host. - Marietta, GA
Content Marketer/Creator
Tom! Hear, hear. Right on.
JR how would mortgage reps know people wouldn't live up to their responsibilities?
Aug 09, 2007 04:01 AM
Bob & Carolin Benjamin
Benjamin Realty LLC - Gold Canyon, AZ
East Phoenix Arizona Homes
People are way over extended, always buying the next gadget and not saving anything. Something has to change sometime.
Aug 09, 2007 05:19 AM
Anonymous
Amber Eyez
Ken, 

There are NO provisions these days for someone like my father.  I don't have the resources to care for him, nor the physical ability (he weighs 250 lbs.)  The "provisions" were taken away when he joined an HMO.  No home care for anything and he's not sick enough for the hospital. I guess I am supposed to gain at least 100 libs, and quit working so I can take care of him.  Of course then MY home would be foreclosed on - and guess that too would be "my fault. " Now has very limited access to care that he desperately needs. So much for compassionate conservatives. This  was a gravey train for managed care and drug companies - too bad there were real people involved who will die as a result...oh well. 

I think your rant should be sent to ALL OF YOUR POTENTIAL CLIENTS...we'll see how many of them still want you supposedly looking after their interests. My guess is that they would think twice before using you.  What I am truly disgusted with is the number of loan officers and agents who jumped on the bandwagaon with you.  it really is an eye opener. Amazing how people expect absolution for selling snake oil. Small wonder we are held in about as high regard as  a used car salesman.

Now, do people try to stretch too far?  Sure they do.  Did people try to get on the bandwagon and make money flipping thinking it was a sure thing? Yep. Were people greedy? Absolutely. But how about the lending industry.  Did it let people stretch too far?  SURE!  Did they know some of their products would blow  up in people's faces?  Of course they did. Did they set aside real concerns about loan viability to turn a quick buck?  You better believe it.  Does the fac that this was "legal" absolve them from any and all responsibiity? NO WAY!!!  As professionals, we have an obligation to see to it that the products we offer make sense. Otherwise, we are useless to our customers.  If I don't think someone can afford to buy - I do something revolutionary - I TELL THEM THE TRUTH.  Gee, what a concept! I suppose to you, that makes me stupid. 
Aug 09, 2007 10:25 AM
#36
K C
Independent Leadership & Financial Fitness Consultant - Pleasant Grove, UT
Amber, I'm glad you can stand on your pedestal and declare to the world how righteous you are.  The fact is that mortgage brokers ARE NOT THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE parties in this fiasco.  Ken was pointing out that allot of other factors played into this mess.  One being institutional Wall Street companies who actually invest funds from people like your mother, who are gambling on the biggest returns they can possibly clear and they call these funds HEDGE FUNDS.  So if you want rant at Ken for being honest, so be it, but there is blame to spread around on this one, and plenty to spare!!!
Aug 09, 2007 11:09 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer
WOW Ken, tell us how you really feel!  All kidding aside I do agree with you.  Wanna hear the foreclosure stories?  People who had to go buy multiple properties at the height of the boom, wannabe investors.  Wanna hear the short sale stories?  People who refi'd and refi'd and refi'd and took lots and lots of money out of their house.  You don't see to many "regular folks" who got trapped into a bad loan by a bad mortgage guy and a bad real estate chick.  It is people who were GREEDY.  Wow, I said it and feel better now.
Aug 09, 2007 01:31 PM
Ken Cook
Content, coding, marketing, host. - Marietta, GA
Content Marketer/Creator
Renee! Long time no hear from. Glad you feel better, just call me Dr. Ken ... the bill is NOT in the mail. Greed? Beengo.
Aug 09, 2007 03:58 PM
Colleen Irwin
Retired - Irondequoit, NY
Creative Real Estate Solutions...
Ken -- I really enjoyed this post, in fact I just mentioned it in one of my posts
Aug 11, 2007 03:43 PM
Lysa Napolitano
Daytona Beach, FL
Ken, I missed this the first go round.. Really love how you wrote this no holds barred, honest and to the point post.
Aug 15, 2007 11:04 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Ken.  I don't know how I missed this one.  It's right on the money. 

 

 

Oct 09, 2008 09:43 PM