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131 Comments on Yes, My Buyer Has the Money to Buy . . . Does Your Seller Have the Money to Sell?
When a property is listed, a title report will show what is owed and to whom. I recently closed a cliff hanger where the equity was fine, but after the listing, liens showed up on the property. Luckily the seller was able to negotiate the liens and pay off what was necessary. Escrow was delayed, but it did close. It is encumbent upon the seller and buyers agents to read the title report to properly protect their clients. That way you know way before getting to the closing table that there may be a problem and perhaps have time to fix it.
Trent
Lately I have been requesting a Mortgage Verification from the Mortgage Company or Bank and before I take the actual listing we do a title search and look for liens.
Burnt once and never again!
Ty
Any agent who "forgets" to do a net sheet when they take a listing....needs to go to remedial real estate school....or maybe just hang up their license.
I have one now. It was listed in the MLS for $139K we offered $115K they countered at $122. We excepted . after all that they come back and say well at this price it has to be a short sale. we have no money to bring to the table. I asked them why then they didnt except the $115 if it had to be a shortsale anyway. Then my buyers wanted to look at the home again and all the Stuff that was supposedly coming with it is gone. fridge is missing. I ask the sellers about this they said its a short sale now non of that comes with it. After all that they agreed to drop the price to $120...still wouldnt do the $115....now a 5 weeks later the bank has said they will not pay the 6% commission. there policy is only 4% on short sales. Id want so bad to walk away but my buyer really wants the place. This is the biggest farce of a sale I have been involved with...
Great post -really had never thought it was such a big problem
RE: Response #4 - Michael said “It is a new real estate world we have entered and will become the new norm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”.
NOT REALLY. History is just repeating itself, repeating itself, repeating itself. . . .
We had a lot of sellers in the early to mid 90’s (1990’s) in Metro-Phoenix that were selling their 1 -6 year old homes and had to “bring Money to the Table”. In fact often the agents had to carry the commissions for the parties by agreement and a second lien on the buyer’s new home.
Most of us got in the habit of doing a prelim and contacting (with the sellers written permission their lender. Another scary issue was that if the net was close to fulfilling the contract and the only one to be shorted was the agents, OH WELL was the attitude some sellers had. And, remember that the listing agent agreed to compensate the selling agents and when there were insufficient proceeds for that it often resulted in out-of-pocket losses to the listing broker. Today’s Short Sale differs in many respects, except that there is always risk involved.
Stan Graham, Advanced Realty Education Arizona Elite Properties
Trent,
Net sheet, net sheet.
When on the phone talking to the sellers and arranging the listing appointment, after they agree to see me and we pencil in the time and day, I tell them "before I come to see you I need to ask you a few questions".
I have a list of 10 or so questions that I like to ask, and 2 of those have a lot to do with what price they will NOT go below, and how much they owe on the property.
In Rhode Island mortgages are public record. My company wants to know if the seller really owns the house and how much they still owe on it before we put it on the market. It is part of our due diligence. It is just tougher nowadays. Good post. Reminds me how hard our business is.
This is making my stomach do flipflops! I'm in the middle of one now where the sellers knowingly have to bring $$ to the table. We wrote the contract stating that the sellers would put the money in escrow at the closing attorney's office 10 days prior to closing - after inspections and loan commitment made. Supposedly, the $$ is on the way, but this is going to be nerve-wracking until the fat lady sings!!
It sounds as if you are covering your bases. Make certain that certified funds are deposited and cleared by the escrow. Good Luck
Stan Graham
Advanced Realty Education
Arizona Elite Properties
Net sheet at the listing appointment sounds like a good policy. In our area we have not had many short sales but they are increasing. Great post.
Thanks Trent! Hadn't really thought about that, you are right some sellers
tell all, others keep it close to the vest, we need to ask. Great Advice!
Great point! I always do a net sheet before listing a property so both the seller and I are clear about the expected financial results.
Home ownwer has to be honest about all debt, loans and liens. Then Listing Agent needs to disclose the net sheet to the seller demonstrating whether he is short or not. Listing Agent has to disclose a Short Sale in MD. Margaret C.
Had multiple type issues over the past year because of this type decision making. Good topic and something to remind me before doing a listing that could hurt in the long run...I have removed two listings from market for the very reasons discussed her.
I guess we are going to have to start asking sellers for bank statements and pay stubs now.
Trent, you make an excellent case for listing agents to do their job more thoroughly. There can be no question that if a property is offered at a price which will result in a net which is less than the outstanding liens against it, all parties should be alerted from the outset that the sale will be a short sale.
Given the widespread practice of offers being made substantially below the listing price, agents representing sellers AND agents representing buyers should make sure that the acceptance of an offer will not convert a regular sale to a short sale.
Since this is an area of concern that is relatively recent in origin for most agents, it may be that we are dealing with an issue that can be quickly addressed by giving it more visibility.
Thanks for calling attention to it.
John Cleek, Ph.D., Author
Seven Steps to Home Ownership
Very good blog here. I've seen in more than one situation, if the buyer offers list price, then the seller would be able to sell, however if the buyer comes in $30K low on a $300,000 home, that puts it into a short sale. Often, sellers are trying to get out, and walk away with minimal. If in your original post, they are tens of thousands off, then something is wrong. Either the seller lied or mistakenly thought they owed less, or the sales price is substantially below the list price.
Great post. Very timely.
I recently ran across a listing that was listed as a short sale, but when I looked at the tax records it demonstrated that it had been bank owned for some time -- even months prior to the listing. I ran of chain of title to verify that it was clearly bank owned.
The listing agent was certain that it was a short sale and was having continuing conversations with bank to facilitate a short sale......... Seems like neither the bank nor the listing agent were doing their own due diligence in this case!