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53 Comments on Banks Pursuing Deficiency Judgments May Have Something To Fear
John, interesting twist. I actually know one guy who is trying tonegotiate with banks to buy short sales and he is upside down in his own house and bankrupt as well. I guess people will do anything although it doesn't make it right. Great Post.
I blogged about this same issue a few months ago. In my opinion the banks should be forced to "suck it up" and take their losses on anything except a loss where the borrower committed fraud (liars loans, etc). If the personal bankruptcies keep piling up, we'll see a lag in consumer spending which is the basis of our current recovery and a "double dip" in the economy might actually happen.
Wendy - Good advice.
Dave - It just gets "curiouser and curiouser."
Bryan - We are seeing an increase in bankruptcies at an astonishing rate; and may, in fact, be on our way to that "double dip."
John,
Homeowners are finding some useful solutions of their own to somehow stay whole in this housing mess.
It is a strange world we live in right now. I am seeing more strategic defaults and it seems to have lost some of the stigma even.
Esko - Useful and sometimes "novel."
Erica - I suspect we're only seeing the first wave of "strategic defaults."
Thanks for pointing out the article, I hadn't read it yet. This is a good reference for people who are considering strategic default.
Tamara - Thanks for stopping by!
I think it is kind of ironic that the people that the banks are identifying as possibly being able to pay a deficiency judgement are also the ones that might threaten a mortgage fraud claim...
They may have the money to pay, but shouldn't have gotten the loan?
Lane - Ultimately, I think the WaPo article is pointing out the aberrations, not the rule. There are probably stranger stories to come.
John,
I'll take the other stance. There's probably some truth there that the banks knew there was complicity in "iffy" transactions.
John,
Good post. Featured in Voice of Reason. Keep at it.
This is an interesting twist. I am off to read the article. It sound like both parties may have a sword hanging above their heads. It reminds me of the sword of Damocles or (MAD) Mutually Assured Destruction. I'm curious to see how it all comes out over time.
We won't hear much about borrowers suing their lenders for mortgage fraud because the cases will be settled out of court. Thanks for the timely post, John.
The likely solution would be to go after the LO's and or the companies that provided the loans. The problem with that is most of them are now out of the business so where do you go?
Interesting wide range of views. This is a very controversial topic and a non winner for the debater on both sides. This is too much of a mess and there are problems that reach far deeper than a LO or broker qualifying someone for a loan, or someone accepting a loan they could not afford, or a large part of the Florida job market relying heavily on construction and having that market come to a virtual halt, industries leaving Florida, property taxes, insurance, etc.
Terry - I'd guess that many lenders were aware that the borrower was "fudging" the numbers, but since the govt. was encouraging home ownership, they didn't care. Thanks for the feature.
Christine - It will be interesting if nothing else.
Pamela - I agree.
Neal - I doubt we'll see a very high percentage of the lenders pursued.
Gabe - I agree that this is only one factor in the overall economic crisis--and it is still a crisis. We do need to deal with the core issues, but are far from doing that so far.
Deficiency judgments are such a slippery slope. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of vulture collectors don't show up 3 or 4 years from now when the economy is hopefully better. That will catch a lot of the solvent borrowers by surprise.
Rob - I think your'e right, and would advise those negotiating a short sale to insist that the bank agree not to pursue the deficiency. If you ask, some will.
If you are a realtor representing a short sale seller and you do not negotiate a deficiency waiver than you are derelict in your duty to represent their interests and you should find another line of work.
You people are coming off pretty holier than thou. Let's just remember you are only a Realtor and are no better or worse than anyone else.
If all the jaded egoists would please leave the building, the profession might begin to gain more respect. I have advanced degrees in finance and math, and I find it amusing the the people at my wife's realtor events are snobbier than those at my employer's (100+ billion hedge fund) events.
Get a grip people, you sit on the toilet just lie everyone else. Until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes, you really have no right to judge. If you have such contempt for the people that you represent, then why do you do it? Oh right for their money. This is the very definition of greed.