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18 Comments on Woud you give up your license for $300 cash?????
Good post, good story. Unfortunately as money gets tighter, people need both moral guidelines and training to make good decisions. I also think fear is a perfectly legitimate tool in the manager's/parent's tool box.
Thanks for work on my problem, I appreciate your effort. Can't imagine why I'm having a problem finding the person who can't possible exist!
Larry, one of my mantras, "Ignorance is a curable malady, Stupidity is not". Glad your guy is in the first clause. I stand all amazed that these guys are still in the business. I have an acquaintence LO who is working for a broker (I am in CA, remember) who is telling her that she doesn't need to take the NMLS...she can just work under his license. Perhaps, Mr. PeePants works at the same house?????
Gee, I hope these bad guys/girls are finally going to get out of the business.
As income decreases ethical lapses tend to increase.
Great post! Its amazing what some people will do to make a quick buck!
Hi Larry, You handled this quite well and took advantage of a " teachable moment " ! Well done !
Great point to make - what is your career worth? We all have to watch what we jump at and what we do to keep the money flowing. It can cost you more in the end if you choose the wrong option.
$300, $3000, $30,000... don't care... I'm too pretty to go to jail.
Great post....I have talked with many agents about this over the years...and really for no amount is it worth it to lose your livelihood and risk huge fines....and especially not over $300.
Leslie....that's where cloning becomes helpful.
Deborah....couldn't happen quick enough.
Doug...well said.
Bill...thanks....let's hope that I don't have any more teachable lessons of this sort.
Jody...bingo!
Alan.....with a face like that.....anyone would want to bunk with you!
Deborah....for $301, I'm all in! But not for $300!
Good post. I work referrals. If you are interested let me know.
Larry - OMG This gets pounded into our heads from day one!
For the readers who don't already know:
Section 8: Kickbacks, Fee-Splitting, Unearned Fees
Section 8 of RESPA prohibits anyone from giving or accepting a fee, kickback or any thing of value in exchange for referrals of settlement service business involving a federally related mortgage loan. In addition, RESPA prohibits fee splitting and receiving unearned fees for services not actually performed.
Violations of Section 8's anti-kickback, referral fees and unearned fees provisions of RESPA are subject to criminal and civil penalties. In a criminal case a person who violates Section 8 may be fined up to $10,000 and imprisoned up to one year. In a private law suit a person who violates Section 8 may be liable to the person charged for the settlement service an amount equal to three times the amount of the charge paid for the service.
Um...Mr. Pee pants- you are stupid and wreckless and should thank Larry 100 times for not turning you in.
I fully agree with a number of you that the short-term payoff on this illegal/immoral behavior is not worth your integrity as an agent, inspector, lender, etc. Unfortunately, lean times are putting many at risk for this behavior. As some may believe the "whatever I need to do to put food on the table" mentality, it is those who continue on the high road that will be taken care of.
Thanks for the post. Larry.
Larry, I had no idea that lenders couldn't get referral fees....shows how much I know.
Of course we Realtors pass referral fees along all the time. Good call.
Hi Larry! You know, I really didn't know that lenders couldn't refer business too--as Missy said--and get referral fees. LOL at Alan's comment too!
As for your young grasshopper--you did well--take the opportnity to drive home those ethics rules every chance you get. No amount of money is worth losing your license.
Fraud usually starts with someone telling someone else "Don't worry this is completely legal, I do it all the time" Stupid is as Stupid does!

Co brokering is not a wise decision. Referral fees are definitely a violation.
I fully agree - I would need at least $301 or maybe even more before I'd risk my company's and my personal license.
What's surprising is the licensing requirment that is needed in order to originate loans in California. Great piece of information and entertaining as well.
Thanks Larry, good post. Yes, people like to look the other way when it comes to money - they forget everything.
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