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Where, Oh Where Have the Short Sale CLOSINGS All Gone?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Escrowcoord.com

question markAnyone else out there in real estate land who thought they would have a million dollar year this year working on short sale transactions?

OK, I was duped. I heard the rumors about the next big trend in real estate, got ready to gear up for short sales and even started to include the new laws to help push short sale offers into acceptance faster into my Escrow Coordination Secrets seminar. But it seems the "loan police" are not doing as good of a job of enforcing as I expected!

So what happened? I don't see any significant change in the average amount of time the short sale properties are pending nor a dramatic increase in closings!

According to the MLS statistics in Contra Costa, Bay East and East Bay in Northern California (I pulled and compiled the data on my own), the number one pending and sold transaction type this year (townhouse/patio homes/single family) has been (drum roll)....CONVENTIONAL SALES!  

I know there are some agents who put all their eggs in one basket betting on the short sale closings to bring in a ton of money for them this year.

But let's face it, they are a tremendous amount of work for the average agent who is not using a short sale processor, or if they have one, it's costing them money to pay for salary and yet they have not received any income from the deals!

Also, the chances of a short sale getting approval from the bank are pretty low unless you have an attorney to review the seller's situation and the offer (A good attorney can offer advice whether or not the offer is going to fly with the bank before you go through months of playing the paperwork and phone call game).

Finally, the risk of future litigation for giving bad advice to the seller is extremely high for agents. Is it worth it for you right now given the circumstances of the market?

I'm in the business of Coordinating pending sales. From a business model standpoint, I need to decide where my marketing money will get the biggest bang for the buck. But what if I get a lot of business on a product (like short sales) but no cash flow? Was this plan successful?  

I've stopped listening to the media reports and now focus on real time sales. My conclusion is I'm better off spreading my business between conventional, short sale AND REO's. If one transaction type slows down, I still have an income stream from the others.

I think we need to be realistic with this constantly changing market and keep it real by maintaining an open mind on the type of transactions you want to work on. It has to be profitable to work!

At this point in time, I really don't see myself becoming a millionaire on short sales. But that may change in another month so I'll continue to  keep my eyes open for trends.

 

 

Comments(165)

Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Rita, thanks for the clarification. You're right, if you have a good processor, they can be as effective as an attorney to provide good advice. Thanks for your comment!

Jun 28, 2010 03:51 AM
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Rita, thanks for the clarification. You're right, if you have a good processor, they can be as effective as an attorney to provide good advice. Thanks for your comment!

Jun 28, 2010 03:51 AM
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

London Cox-GREAT advice! Your so right that one team member can screw up the entire process. It takes a village to close the deal. Take advantage of other team members experiences to help push the deals through. Thanks for your comment.

Jun 28, 2010 03:55 AM
Eugene Adan
Adan Properties, Carlsbad, CA (760) 720-9710 - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate

Diana,

I agree that you shouldn't put all your eggs into one basket. 

Jun 28, 2010 05:34 AM
Anonymous
Aggie Romero-Sirrine

I like Kellie's response, it's about helping the families. The problem I see in our area is agents are reluctant to show a short sale property because they know it's going to be a long process to close.  Until the banks have a good incentive for moving quickly, I don't see things changing.  But, most importantly, I focus on diversfying and maintaining a high quality of service, no matter the type of sale or the length it takes to get to closing.

Jun 28, 2010 07:01 AM
#151
Anonymous
Aggie Romero-Sirrine

I like Kellie's response, it's about helping the families. The problem I see in our area is agents are reluctant to show a short sale property because they know it's going to be a long process to close.  Until the banks have a good incentive for moving quickly, I don't see things changing.  But, most importantly, I focus on diversfying and maintaining a high quality of service, no matter the type of sale or the length it takes to get to closing.

Jun 28, 2010 07:01 AM
#152
Anonymous
Rebecca Madsen

Diana,  Great topic and responses!  With short sales, I feel it's also important to have a clear understanding upfront of all parties commitment to the transaction. Since it usually takes many months, patience and persistence is key.

Jun 28, 2010 07:21 AM
#153
Dawnita Griffith
Meadow Lake Real Estate, LLC - Pinedale, WY
It does matter who you hire.

I think the decision in whether or not you have a good blog and a good topic is the response.  You did it.  What works for one agent or business does not work for all of us.  Different personalities and opinions are what make us all tick.  I like what ever business comes my way, some I might choose to pass by.

Jun 28, 2010 08:57 AM
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Dawnita, I think the magical world of Real Estate Land is a much better place when we as a collective group discuss what's really going on! Thanks for your comment!  

Jun 28, 2010 09:15 AM
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Rebecca you are so right! Preparing the clients for the reality will weed out those who cannot wait for approval. Thanks for your comment!

Jun 28, 2010 09:16 AM
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Aggie, I know there are agents out here in California who are also reluctant to show short sales. But based upon some of the feedback here, it seems some of them are moving anyway. Thanks for your comment!

Jun 28, 2010 09:18 AM
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Hey Lydia-Diversity I love the way you think! Thanks for your comment!

Jun 28, 2010 09:19 AM
Jim McCormack
Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-796-6898 - Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure

Timely post.  Short sales will start occurring in large numbers due to the banks having to deal with the fact that they cannot handle the vast numbers of REO's.  These short sales will ultimately help bring the real estate market to the bottom faster by getting more distressed properties off the market faster.  The biggest reasons that this has not already happened are: Bank Bailouts and the change in Bank Accounting Rules.  Right now the banks are still hoping the government will provide more bailout monies and that the government will buy the non-performing assets (i.e. the properties) for more than they are worth (hence the phony valuations).  As a result of all this the banks are "pretending" that the properties are worth more than they really are, and, therefore, short sales are not happening in the volume that they need to.  I do believe, however, that short sales will start happening in larger quantities soon (maybe 6-12 months).

Jun 29, 2010 05:42 AM
Athina Boukas
Virginia Capital Realty - Richmond, VA
Certified Residential Specialist (CRS)

Short sales can work if all parties come to the table with the best intentions. However, one SS came on the market and I had a full price cash buyer...but I could never get an appointment to show it.

Other times, the agents don't respond. There are a lot of games being played right now.  Nothing is predictable.

The best action is to keep at it (it IS our profession to handle sales; short or equity).  We need to work with all kinds of listings, but make sure you know what you're doing...or else you are not helping anyone. 

Jun 29, 2010 01:16 PM
Anonymous
Art Martin Foreclosure Solutions

Athina,

I share your concerns.  I have posted quite few comments about my concern of dealing with Realtors and non responsive homeowners and  what we can do to solve the communication conflicts.  In the last few weeks I have reached out to Briokers and Realtors asking them to work with me and I will show them how to make some big money.

I spend a lot of time explaining trying to educate them on how we do our business .  I am wasiting my time because they never seem to get the concept that as negotiators we do not want to sell houses. we do not wan to steal thie listings.  We will pay them more than just a commission if they will joint venture with us.  The reponses are  amazing and similar to many of the comments on this site.  "my brioker told me not to work with investors"  "short sales take to much time"  " why do you wan to take my listing"  or they just don't reply after I have spent hours with them showing them how we handle our negotiating so they can make money.  What can you sell if the house is under water and they owe more than the house is worth?

I have solved the conflict. It was not my intention cut Realtors out of their deals nor is it that we want to take their home away from them, we wan to help them get out of their financial situation. but if they do not want to cooperate we are going another direction.  We buy the note and mortagage from the bank directly. this way there is no short sale to deal with. It cuts out all the red tape in negotiationg.  We take over the banks position and then we deal directly with the homeowner.  Since we are now in first position we are the bank. we are like a hard money lenders.  The homeowner must deal with us and face the issue. We will not allow them to occupy the house without paying rent.  We can set up a  lease option if the homeowener wants to keep their house and locate a buyer who wants rental property or foreclose and sell the house ourselves.  The sellers have to deal with us on our terms.  It solves the conlict of non responsive homeowners who have their head under water just like their their homes are.  They have to deal with the issues.  It is much simpler than going through all time consumming red tape trying to get the bank to come our terms.  The lenders want to sell we want to buy. we do not have to deal with homeownwer until we buy the note.  Most homeowners are willing to work with us and set up a program so they can keep the house or sell it.  

This a quick way to solve the problems. since we own the property we can choose to sell the house through Real Estate brokers if we want to or we can find cash buyers and  sell it to them.

 

Jun 30, 2010 10:00 AM
#161
Anonymous
Blair

We were using an Attorney to help negotiate the short sales but they have stated that Lenders are not willing to pay theirfees so it looks like this is going to be up to the agent and hopefully a willing seller to work through these. I have held some Buyer & Seller workshops to offer some education on the process. It is really scary what some people believe about Short Sales.  

Jul 01, 2010 09:21 AM
#162
Anonymous
Art Martin Foreclosure Solutions

Blair,

you are right on. homeowners have their heads under water just like their mortgages.  They can't face the issues. They are like a deer standing in the road with a car coming at them frozen in the headlights of the car.  I have had homeowners put off contacting me until it is to late to rescue them from foreclosure. Many are so angry they just walk away from thir house.  some people wake up at the last minute and stop the auction up to a day before the auction.

  there is one item missing. you do not have to use an attorney. You need  effective negotiators who know how how to work with asset managers and loan mitigators.  This is what we do.

We do not sell houses we leave that up to Real estate brokers.   Short sales are getting harder to complete because the banks, lenders and loan servicers are trying to get as much money as they can get out of the deal.  We are about to drop a deal with Litton loan servicing because they are trying to dictate the terms of the sale and how much they will accept.

In my last post I stated I found a new method.  We just buy the note and mortgage from the lender becoming the bank.  The homeowner has to deal with us on our terms.  It works very well since the bank does have to spend the time to take man hours to negotiate the short sale which can take months. Many time if you do not have a good negotiator on your team the deal falls out.

There is a better method contact us at mailforart@gmail.com

 

 

Jul 02, 2010 02:31 AM
#163
Diana Turnbloom
Escrowcoord.com - Martinez, CA
The Leading Expert in TC Services & Education

Athena and Art, you are so right-Half the battle is a homeowner who is only partially in the game. It's always a good idea to interview the buyers and really get a feel for how committed they are to short sale. Thank you both for your comments!

Jim-Thanks for your comment-I truly hope your prediction is correct!

 

Jul 13, 2010 04:40 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Guess I'll put my own two cents:

The first reason why I do short sales --- I truly want to help distressed property owners, many of whom just found themselves in impossible situations (loss of job, drop in income, and other reasons). They are in desperate situations. Being totally underwater, short sale is their lifesaver, and I am tossing it to them.

Second: my clients are grateful and think of me when they have friends, associates, relatives who need to buy/sell. Their referrals are always welcome!

Third: these people have a chance to recover...and when they're ready to buy again, so am I.

Finally....looking at my closed transactions this year: 40% of them are short sales.

As for pending/active transactions, the trend is the same: 36% of total.

I may not be a  from short sales in terms of $$$ --- but the grateful clients I make? PRICELESS!

Jul 20, 2010 01:37 PM
Matt Robinson
Professional Investors Guild - Pensacola, FL
www.professionalinvestorsguild.com

Has your opinion changed in these last 7 months.  I changed my niche to short sales at the end of 2008, and it was the best thing I ever did.  The people in my office want to know my "secret" to closing 80-90% of my short sale deals.  I just implemented a plan and stuck with it.  I started with just 4 deals in my 1st year, and now close about that many per month, and average 35-40 active short sale listings at a time.  No, it's not easy money...takes work like anything...but it's definitely the lowest hanging fruit in this market!

Apr 30, 2011 09:33 AM