Generally, I find it easier to do what I do than to talk about what I do.  One thing that I do is to prowl for possible examples of real estate fraud to use during presentations.  It's not as cut and dry as it might sound.  Last week, Tom Weiss shared one such example in the form of an ambiguous loan product known as PayoutOne (Advance Home Value Access).  Tom wrote a post asking for our opinions concerning the legitimacy of the product.  Another thing that I do is to deconstruct the big picture into a verbal lexicon of practical do's and don'ts for anyone who cares to listen.  Let's give it a try with PayoutOne  and see what happens.

Don't mistake PayoutOne for a Nehemiah type concept where a non-profit provides closing assistance to buyers based on fully disclosed contributions made by sellers.  Funds aren't made available to buyers using Nehemiah type programs until the time of closing and can be used only for the reduction of closing costs as they appear on the settlement sheet. 

PayoutOne doesn't purport to be a closing assistance program, which it's not.  PayoutOne, however, maintains that it's not a lender, which it clearly is. 

 PayoutOne's website is a tribute to man's ability to use words to confuse and mislead the uninformed.  It's a temple of plausible ambiguity. The company claims to offer a marketing program that gives contract purchasers access to the equity of the homes they have under contract.  It's not a marketing program by any stretch of the imagination.  The funds are advanced for extremely short periods of time, less than five day, and earn interest, disguised as fees, at usurious rates.   The minimum fee charged is $1,250 regardless of loan amount. 

The funds advanced to buyers are stringently controlled by PayoutOne.
  Primarily, the funds are used to give the appearance of a down payment that the buyers really don't have.  In other cases, the funds are used to deceitfully improve the buyers lending profile by reducing credit card debt.  In every instance, the funds provided by PayoutOne are introduced into the loan approval process at the last possible minute to coincide with the submission of a single missing verification. 

Excerpts from PayoutOnes's website:

PayoutOne's CMP program provides private contributions to homebuyers in advance of the purchase. These funds empower the buyer/investor with access to the equity in the property, thus minimizing the out of pocket costs typically associated with down payment and closing costs.

And:

PayoutOne (before funding it's own loan) also requires a clear to close or a final stipulations sheet showing no unsatisfied stipulations other than a Verification of Deposit (VOD).

Yes, there's clearly a problem with the representations made on 1003's by borrowers using the program.  Buyers have an obligation to disclose the funds even though the loan was conceptually made by the sellers.  PayoutOne suggest that buyer's are somehow magically entitled to use the equity in their future home as though it's been parked in a bank account.   The loan from PayoutOne is not a tool used by sellers to market a house.  The money is used for the buyers sole benefit, any other explanation is a play on words and an insult to human intellect.  The PayoutOne website portrays the situation in a way that's both confusing and ambiguous.  It's no different than the sellers taking money from a savings account to make an undisclosed loan to the buyers.  People have spent time in federal prisons for doing exactly that. 

There's a great deal of planning involved to insure that relevant facts are concealed from the actual mortgage lender when the PayoutOne program is employed.  As a practical matter, sellers are originating unsecured loans to facilitate a scheme that intentionally misleads lenders into believing that buyers are financially qualified when they may not be.

It should come as no surprise that the program can be used only with mortgage products that don't have a seasoning requirement. 

PayoutOne collects its fees and initial investment from sellers at the time of closing.  Buyers are responsible to repay PayoutOne should a deal not close. The website asserts that full disclosure is made because PayoutOne is paid from seller's proceeds with dispersement shown on settlement sheets.  That's an absurd oversimplification of a complex scenario.  A properly drafted settlement sheet would show that a seller gave the buyers money prior to closing.  We know that's not going to happen because lenders can't know that the exchange of funds ever occurred.  Buyers, sellers, and closing agents are committing fraud when they sign settlement sheets because material facts have been intentionally misrepresented.

Don't allow the cleverly drafted content of PayoutOne's site to eclipse your sound judgment
.  The program is wholly dependent upon secrecy, deceit, and side agreements between all parties involved in the transaction.

My advice:  Be afraid of the program!  Be very afraid!

 

29 Comments on The Architecture of Ambiguity

AUG
11
2007
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Ed, This continues to be an education process that develops new twists and turns!  I had never heard of Payout One, but I appreciate you bringing it to our attention and perhaps even more importantly explaining the rationale behind the product.
8:39pm • #1
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12
2007
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Ed, I read the original blog about Payout One and went to their website. I was really confused about the plan after reading everything there. But something about it "stunk".

Thank you for making it clear in plain English. It sound like a train wreck waiting to happen.

5:38am • #2
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"A tribute to man's ability to use words to confuse and mislead the uninformed."  

You have a way with words, Ed.  :o) 

6:11am • #3
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I had a feeling it was only a matter of time before we saw the "newest" scheme coming out.  Thanks for posting this.  Now I have a good heads up before the first offer comes in bearing anything with Payout One on it.
6:19am • #4
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Good Morning All

Thanks for the comments and particularly the kind words from the lady from West Virginia.   I think that everyone should spend a couple of minutes on PayoutOne's website to experience the handiwork of deceit.  It's an intricate maze of contradictions and misnomers, yet very convincing.

6:38am • #5
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Lady?  Nah, I'm more of a chick.  ;oD
11:40am • #6
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Very Good Advise-Be very Afraid. Regrettably, most consumers seem to follow the latest scheme out there until many are hurt and then they want to blame someone else. With the amount of resources available to help people through the decision making process, I am always amazed at how successful these flash in the pan schemes often become until someone has to step in. Consumers need to exercise at least some personal restraint and accept responsibility for their choices. 
11:53am • #7
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Excellent post, Ed. I'm endlessly amazed at the ways they find to skirt around the eligibility issue....so many players in the game and like you said, the base of it all is dishonesty and misrepresentation.  This is exactly the type of scenario which leads to more mortgage defaults down the road.

thanks for the wonderful education you are providing to those of us in the business. We can never have too much knowledge on this stuff ...as quickly as we are learning, the gameplayers change the game.

Jo 

12:07pm • #8
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Thanks Ed, your the best for keeping up informed of schemes. I will be on the lookout, had not heard of it until yesterday. ( your post )
12:08pm • #9
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Ed, I've been waiting on this post. Thanks. It sounds like the same ole' game spun a different way. Very creative but none the less a fraudulent situation. I keep seeing these types of companies, some non-profit, and they are all preaching the same thing....we are here to help you. Well OK then. Let's just forget about the usury charges being pocketed. They are in it for the bucks plain and simple. They are indeed helping the buyer to be over financed and in an upside down position from day one. They are setting these folks up for financial hardships.
12:19pm • #10
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Ed, thanks for the clarification. I will keep an eye out for this one. I haven't come across it yet.

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12:40pm • #11
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Ed, I read the post you referred too and you outlined the concerns in detail.  Anyone with knowledge of lending can see through this one quickly, but John Q Public is fair game....and those that assist in this scheme could wear striped suits without the corporate logo!

Very nice update.  We have not seen this one yet.  It is only a matter of time. 

1:06pm • #12
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ED:  THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING THIS OUT!  I value my license and my freedom so keeping on top of this stuff is so important!
1:20pm • #13
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 Ed - you're doing everyone a great service by pointing out the various fraud and scams that are around. Thanks

3:13pm • #14
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Ed - another timely and well written post.  I am seeing this type of mortgage being batted about along with many other creative ways to get cash across the closing table. With credit crunch the way it is there will be a new scheme everyday utilizing your great phrase..." a temple of plausible ambiguity" and many buyers, sellers, realtors and loan officers tuning a deaf ear to the ambiguity just as long as the loan closes.
3:39pm • #15
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Ed,

I'm not an expert in that end...but I kind of wonder why a buyer can't just do a straight deal without sellers contribution...sounds more like creative financing.

6:44pm • #16
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Ed - I guess we may see more of these operations sneaking around with the tightening of lending practices. Thanks for educating me!
7:29pm • #17
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Ed, I'm really happy to see this post featured. You are such a fine writer and in my humble opinion, both your posts and messages are under-appreciated.  Keep on doing what you do so well!
8:46pm • #18
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Ed thanks for the information.  I can't believe that a company would be so deceitful.  I will make sure that my clients stay far away from this type of "creative financing."
9:27pm • #19
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2007
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Ed,

I am thankful that you keep us so well informed.  I am bookmarking this blog incase a client mentions this company.

 

1:28am • #20
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Good Morning

Thanks, everyone, for commenting.  I didn't spend much time on-line yesterday as I didn't expect this post to be featured.  I wish that I had been here to comment to each of you.

Keep in mind, PayoutOne probably isn't an example of creative financing.  I see it as an intentional play on words to commit fraud.    At the heart of the scheme is an assumption that a contract purchaser has a right to use the equity in the house under contract.  Even though there's typically an equitable conversion of title at the time of contract, the sellers retain the role of trustees of the future proceeds.  PayoutOne contracts separately with the buyers and the sellers.  The buyers and sellers do not contract with each other in regards to the PayoutOne funds.  The sellers borrow the money from their equity and then we're to assume the funds magically belong to the buyers because they have the house under contract.  It's a compelling argument that sounds great at first blush, but falls apart under scrutiny. 

There's one more thing, I'll bet that PayoutOne doesn't have a license to loan money even though it appears that the company does it in numerous states. 

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Ed, thank you for all of your information.  Recently, the solution to a problem appeared to be a "buyer rebate".  Because of the caution that you advise all, a call to the attorneys at the board of realtors was a precurser to making the decision (yes, with full disclosure to all, legal).  I have to tell you, erring on the side of caution (due to your posts full of possible infractions) is a prerequisite- THANK YOU.
6:53am • #22
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Laurie

You're very welcome and know that your comment is greatly appreciated. 


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I always say: If it is fully disclosed, then it can't be fraud.

The fact that they try to hide the loan spells F.R.A.U.D.

7:14am • #24
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Ed,

I am very sorry it took me so long to get to this, I just got back from Vacation, I am very grateful that you took the time to explain your thoughts on this, and I am taking your advice and staying away from them, as is my attorney, who happens to agree with you as well.

Thank you Ed, again,

Tom Weiss

2:10pm • #25
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If it looks like ----, smells like ----, tastes like ----, it's probably ----.

 

 

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Whoa! I was unfamiliar with PayoutOne until your posting...just the sort of thing the Feds and the State's Attorney's around the country are trying to get their arms around to protect the public. The more of your post I read, the scarier it became.  Thanks for updating me on the latest methodology to prey upon the uninformed.
5:59pm • #27
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15
2007
Wow.  It's no surprise they say it's not eligible for FHA programs.  They must appreciate FHA's take no prisoners method of dealing with bad guys.
7:25pm • #28
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01
2007

If you'll notice my email address it's jamess@payoutone.com As a former associate of this company I can say unequivocally that they are operating illegally and are fraudsters of the highest degree. I did a loan for a family member and when something went wrong with it, the company president began harassing me and other family members in violation of numerous state and federal privacy laws. The transaction itself was in the sate of Oregon where I know for a fact that they not only do not have a lending license; they are not even registered with the Secretary of State. I've made complaints to several state and federal agencies for their violation of more laws than I care to count. Rich Ferguson CEO is a huckster, prevaricator, and world class rationalizer. I repeatedly asked for documentation of the transaction and all he did was make threats and accusations. He sends me these 6-7 paragraph rambling prognosticating, rationalizing emails trying to justify his position. Anyone who has to rationalize that much is simply a fraud.

 If any of you out there have had the misfortune to deal with this company as I have I invite you to email me and send me your info. A number of people have pleaded with me to take these people down. I have answered the call. If you wish to file a complaint against this company or have any additional information as to their transactions in any state, PLEASE email me. I will point you in the right direction to file complaints. First you should file with your state's Attorney General.  Any regulatory body having to do with mortgages, consumer finance, or licensing. Your Secretary of State. And most importantly http://www.ftc.gov/. Complaints with the Federal Trade Commission are most serious. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to email me. If my Payout One email somehow get's taken down I will promptly post a new email address.

Thank you,
James Stubbs
Portland Oregon.

James
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