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We get so many questions about what is a DEFICIENCY JUDGMENT and how it differs from other possibilities including DEED IN LIEU OF FORECLOSURE or SHORT SALE.  Recent blogs and Broker Bryant provided a request that I write a detailed article explaining and differentiating these three items.

This article is written based on Florida law, but most state laws are similar.  Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

As a suggestion, for information on the basics of a deed in lieu of foreclosure and short sale, see SHORT SALE PRIMER - LAWYER DISCUSSION OF THE SHORT SALE EVOLUTION

Let me clarify an important issue that will have meaning later.  A "Mortgage" is NOT the obligation to pay the bank.  The obligation to pay the bank back the money it loaned along with interest is called the "Promissory Note".  The bank makes two types of loans.  Secured loans are when the bank wants the Promissory Note to be collateralized with something of value.  In real estate that "something of value" is usually a "Mortgage" and it collateralizes or secures the Promissory Note with the house or other real estate.  So when we say only the word "Mortgage", technically you are referring only to the security document and not the Promissory Note.  Likewise when we say the words "Promissory Note", we are referring only to the obligation to repay the bank.

THE LAW OF MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE:

A mortgage foreclosure (some incorrectly call it a "Lis Pendens") is filed by the lender when the Promissory Note that is secured with a Mortgage on some real estate (usually the home) has not been paid on time (the "default"). 

If there was only an "unsecured" Promissory Note and there was no Mortgage, the suit would not be called a "mortgage foreclosure" because it would only demand payment of the Promissory Note and then the judge after hearing the evidence, would likely issue a Final Judgment against the borrower and in favor of the bank for the amount of the unpaid Promissory Note along with accrued interest, late fees and court costs and attorney fees.  The Final Judgment would also be entitled to interest (in Florida that rate is now 6% a year) until the Final Judgment is paid in full.

A mortgage foreclosure is actually a four step process.

Step One:  The first step is to file suit (called the "Complaint") on the non-payment of the Promissory Note. (Yes, there are other reasons for a foreclosure suit to be filed, like an unauthorized transfer of the real estate, or non-payment of the real estate taxes, but we are going to focus on not paying the Promissory Note). An action (the suit) is filed at the courthouse and it consists of 3 documents.  The first document is a Summons, which directs you to answer the Complaint.  The second document is the Complaint, which describes why the bank is entitled to the relief it is asking for - the payment on the Promissory Note.  The third document is the Lis Pendens, which puts the public at large on notice (since the lis pendens is filed in the public records where the property is located) that anyone dealing with the property should know that a claim has been made against the property in the Mortgage.  (Lis Pendens literally means "pending litigation" and is one of those fancy Latin words that we lawyers banter about).

The Complaint will describe that there was a Promissory Note signed by the borrower to evidence that it was to repay the bank the money, and that to induce the bank to make the loan the borrower also signed a Mortgage on some real estate that promised that if the Promissory Note was not paid, the real estate could be sold and the proceeds would be used to pay the Promissory Note.  It will also say how much is unpaid and what additional money the bank may want for the non-payment of real estate taxes, for example.  It will finally make a "demand", which will ask that if the borrower does not make payment on the Promissory Note to the bank, then the real estate should be sold under court supervision at a public auction, and if there is insufficient money bid for the real estate, the court should give to the bank a judgment for the shortfall (the "Deficiency Judgment"). A quick note to those that subscribe to the foreclosure defense analysis that they won't have to pay the bank - I suggest you read FORECLOSURE DEFENSE FALLACY.

Step Two:  After statutory time periods have run (for example, 20 days to answer the Complaint, the bank can more for a final judgment.  This is usually accomplished (in Florida) with a Motion for Summary Judgment, or similar name.  Another 20 days must elapse before this hearing can take place, once the motion is filed.  In reality (at least in Palm Beach County right now) that time period can be several months before a court date on the Motion for Summary Judgment can take place.

At the Motion for Summary Judgment hearing the bank must prove that there is a valid Mortgage securing a valid Promissory Note and that it is unpaid.  The judge will then issue a Final Judgment of Foreclosure that says (1) if the borrower does not pay the bank the amount the bank proved is due to the bank within usually 30 days, the real estate is ordered to be sold by the clerk of the court to the highest bidder, and if the highest bidder bids less than the amount due to the bank then the bank can come back to court and request a Deficiency Judgment.  It is important to note that the Final Judgment of Foreclosure is NOT a money judgment against the borrower!  However, depending on step three below the bank can move to obtain a money judgment later on.  IMPORTANT note to borrowers who think that THIS is the hearing when you can go and tell your story to the judge.  WRONG!!!!!!!  The Summary Judgment hearing takes no testimony in open court.  It is based only on what is in the court file - nothing more.  It is a hearing based on technicalities and strict rules. I can practically guaranty you that if you or your attorney have done nothing up to the hearing in the case to establish why the judgment can not summarily be granted, unless the lender's attorney is totally asleep, the Final Judgment for Foreclosure will be granted.

Step Three:  Assuming that the borrower has not paid the bank to the bank's satisfaction during that 30 day period, the public sale (the "foreclosure sale") will occur.  It is conducted by the Clerk of the Court and it usually occurs "on the courthouse steps", but more usually in a courtroom or meeting hall or even in a large hallway in some courthouses and more recently, on the Web.  The property is announced and bidding starts at $100 and goes up from there.  The bank is able to bid for the property and it will do so to "protect" the collateral up to the amount (and usually beyond) the bank has determined the property is worth.  Usually the bank will bid up the amount of the judgment it received from the judge.  More often than not the property gets sold to the bank for a mere $100 and there are no other bidders at the foreclosure sale.

Step Four:   I am now again making as assumption.  The assumption is that the bank ended up with the property at the foreclosure sale by bidding one hundred dollars.  In that event the borrower still owes the bank money to satisfy the promissory note.  The amount of the remaining balance is what is in question.

To figure get the balance of the monies the bank must go back to court to ask the court to award it a "Deficiency Judgment".  The amount is what is in question and the amount is measured using various rules.  In our example the bank bid $100.  The court is not going to say that the house was worth $100 and $324,900 is still owed.  For our assumption and as an example we will say that the property is worth $200,000 and the foreclosure judgment is for $325,000.  That means the court will ask for an appraisal of the property as of the day of the foreclosure sale and the judge will likely give it that value.  So it will be the appraisal value less the judgment amount which will equal the Deficiency Judgment.  If the appraisal is $250,000, the Deficiency Judgment would be $75,000.   Now if there was real bidding at the foreclosure sale the judge could consider that bidding and instead adopt the selling price under the competitive bidding process that occurred at the foreclosure sale.  Then the Deficiency Judgment would be the difference from the foreclosure judgment and the winning bid amount. If the competitive bid was $240,000, then the Deficiency Judgment would be $85,000.

A little issue that comes up is how long the bank has to get the deficiency judgment.  The Florida Statute of Limitations (time to enforce) the Promissory Note is 5 years from the time it went into default.  There is also a rule on how long a plaintiff can keep open a lawsuit that has no activity.  That rule says after 1 year of inactivity, the lawsuit can be dismissed by the court.  The rule is referred to the "Failure to Prosecute Within One Year" rule.  IF the court dismisses the lawsuit after one year and before the bank asks for a deficiency judgment, it could be argued that the bank cannot again seek to enforce the promissory note. 

Florida courts have noted that a claim for deficiency in a foreclosure action does not accrue until the foreclosure sale has occurred.  Thus the five year period starts at the time of the foreclosure sale (not the time of the default).  The courts have not addressed the one year "failure to prosecute" issue, but it is likely that a decision on it would consider that a deficiency action is separate and could be filed as new action based on the accrual of the event at the time of the foreclosure sale that resulted in the deficiency. (See Chrestensen v. Erogest, Inc., 906 So. 2d 343 (Fla 4th DCA 2005). Recent cases now provide that notwithstanding that the court could dismiss the foreclosure case after one year, that dismissal would not bar the filing of the claim during the 5 years after it accrued.

DEED IN LIEU OF FORECLOSURE

Almost every client I meet with first starts out wondering if they should "just give the property back to the bank".  This is also called "Buy and Bail" and "Strategic Default" and "Walking Away from the Property".  I tell them first off that, "it ain't so easy." 

A Deed In Lieu of foreclosure has many prerequisites.  The first is that the property cannot reasonable expect to be able to be sold within a reasonable period of time.  The second is that the bank to receive the Deed In Lieu must be the only lienor.  This usually means there can be no second mortgage and the borrower and property must be clean of any claims or judgments from other creditors.  In other words the title to the property must be "clean" except for the bank's mortgage.  (Note that if the bank with the first mortgage also has the second mortgage or HELOC, the Deed In Lieu is still a possibility. Indeed, some first lenders will have their counsel seek to negotiate with the 2nd lenders even if it is a different lender, to get the deed in lieu of foreclosure accomplished.) 

The issue remains - what becomes of the disposition of the Promissory Note?  There is documentation in a Deed In Lieu that is very important to the borrower.  This documentation can be an agreement in conjunction with the deed to the bank, or it can be written right into the deed to the bank from the borrower for the subject property.  In any event the document(s) must provide that as part of the consideration for the giving the property to the bank the Promissory Note is satisfied in full.  If this language is included, then there is no further liability of the borrower to the bank and no lawsuit to enforce the Promissory Note can occur.  Most of all, banks don't like to have to sell your property so they don't like taking property to have to manage and sell.  It is expensive to take in your property and unless your property is worth more than the amount the bank loaned to you, the bank is likely to only loose more money than if you sold it for them.  That is why they generally prefer to do short sales rather than deeds in lieu.

Short Sale Negotiation:

A short sale by its nature does not encompass a lawsuit to foreclose the Mortgage or a lawsuit to enforce the Promissory Note, and that is one of the primary advantages of this method of loan workout.  On the other hand, there is often a Mortgage Foreclosure Suit already in progress when a short sale is attempted to be negotiated.  [It is important to realize that a short sale "attempt" does NOT stop a Mortgage Foreclosure Suit!  The bank may or may not instruct its attorneys to delay acting on certain aspects of the suit - usually getting the Foreclosure Judgment or if one is issued, then delaying the actual conducting of the Foreclosure Sale. Don't assume anything positive about the foreclosure suit unless you have it in writing from the lender]. See the article: FORECLOSURE EXPRESS VS. LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD

The short sale does often times result in a "Release" of the lien of the Mortgage but not a "Cancellation" or "Satisfaction" of the Promissory Note.  It is this remaining financial obligation that is the crux of so much discussion about "1099's" and forgiveness of debt.  Sellers Always Have Income is a comprehensive article on the subject and also deals with recent legislation on how income does not have to be recognized.

Unless a release or satisfaction of the entire Promissory Note or in the case of a property with more than one loan, then each Promissory Note is obtained, there remains the ability of the bank or banks to sue the borrower for the balance of the unpaid promissory note.  In the case of a 2nd Mortgage, this might be the entire amount of that loan if the 2nd Mortgage bank took nothing so the short sale could succeed. 

The documentation regarding a short sale is very important.  The borrower needs to know what further obligations could be in the future as a result of the short sale.  Like the Deficiency Judgment statute of limitations, the balance of the Promissory Note must be enforced within 5 years of the default or the demand for payment by the bank. 

If the unpaid balance of the Promissory Note is enforced by the bank, then it can file a lawsuit against the borrower (if done within that 5 year period which start time could be as early as the declared default if there is no foreclosure sale) and the result will almost always be a Judgment for the payment of money in the amount of the unpaid portion of the Promissory Note.  Many persons that short sell and do not get a release of the Promissory Note utilize an offer to pay back all or a portion of the Promissory Note balance with a new unsecured promissory note.  This new promissory note replaces the old Promissory Note.  The new promissory note can also be enforced by the bank in the same way as the old Promissory Note, but the time to enforce it will be based on whatever new default might occur if the terms of the new promissory note are not followed by the borrower. For a specific article on Short Sales, see Back to Basics - a Review of Short Sales.

The Second Bite from the Apple

An interesting twist is being used by the banks.  They take the now unsecured remaining balance of the promissory note, or the new negotiated promissory note, and sell it to investors for 5 to 10 cents on the dollar.  Then the new investor tries to collect on the promissory note.  This is mentioned in my article on Negotiated Paybacks.  Obviously this represents an opportunity to negotiate the remaining balance a borrower may have on the old loan - sort of a second bite at the apple.

Opportunity abounds for finding solutions for those that need a short sale or find themselves in a foreclosure action.  No solution is a panacea for the borrower's troubles, but the solutions present an ability for a borrower to make a bad situation a little less bad, and it gives some control to the borrower over what is otherwise a nightmarish situation.

Copyright 2010 Richard P. Zaretsky, Esq.

Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting   email: RPZ99@Florida-Counsel.com - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Modifications and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com  New Website http://www.florida-counsel.com/

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69 Comments on Foreclosure Deficiency Judgment Compared to Deed In Lieu and Short Sale Scenarios

JUL
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2010
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Thank you thank you thank you for this very detailed information on short sales. This will be so valuable to many of us here on Active Rain (myself included)

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Richard,

It's a great post, but the though that people need any thing so basic is sad! Even worse is the thought that many are giving short sale advice.

Sadder still they don't understand banks foreclose because the borrower violated the contract! Normally they didn't make the payment.

Keep telling them.

Bill

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Richard,

As usual, very good information in swallowable form. I read all your posts, so I recognize what I read before, but it sort of helps keep it "fresh"'

Of course, I "suggested" it. The more agent read it, the bettter

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Richard..Great breakdown and I didn't know that a DIL typically is more difficult with a second lien holder (never mind a third--one client of mine had and the short sale didn't go through)...very interesting...Thanks for giving us the info, Jen

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And then there is the question of how bankruptcy figures into all of this...  What if the mortgage is included in the bankruptcy, but payments are made and the sellers remain in the property for a period of time...  Can they be gone after for a deficiency judgement?

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Thank you Richard for this great information.  I have bookmarked this post for future reference.

6:46am • #6
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The article points out the need for the listing agent to be knowledgeable before they start suggesting "walking away", short sales, etc.  Their is liability on their part if they give the seller the wrong information.

6:48am • #7
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Terrific information Richard.  Thanks for the post.

7:07am • #9
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Thanks for updating and reposting this Richard. God stuff as always.

7:12am • #10
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  Part of our job is to educate....and this is exactly that for both the realtor community and consumers...good job !

7:18am • #11
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Richard, this is a fantastic post, thank you for taking so much time to explain to us. And thanks for keeping the reblog available!!

7:28am • #12
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Good information. Now does the deficiency judgment remain after a surrender during foreclosure? Sounds like either way, the banks are relentless.

7:29am • #13
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Wonderful post - and fascinating reading.  I sure learned a lot from this one!

7:35am • #14
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Thanks for taking the time to give us all the details of the process with clear explanations.

8:09am • #15
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That's a very comprehensive article. Thank you for writing it.

8:16am • #16
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Thank you Richard for taking the time to share your knowledge with us.  The technicalities are all the more reason to encourage clients retain legal expertise as they embark on the short sale process.

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Bryant - thank you - but it is not of the HIGHEST order! (post #10)

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Lane (#5) and others - the liability remains unless excused through a discharge in bankruptcy. If a chapter 11 or 13, the borrower ends up paying a portion of the remaining debt.  Remember, if there is less than the full amount of the unpaid promissory note (and interest etc) paid to the lender, then there is a right to collect that deficiency through a deficiency judgment or a simple lawsuit on the promissory note.  Only exception is (1) release in writing from the lender and (2) discharge in bankruptcy.

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I will be sending this to a client this morning.  Thanks for the great post.

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 Thank you for the great information, Richard!

You state in the last portion of the Deed In Lieu of Foreclosure section that:

It is expensive to take in your property and unless your property is worth more than the amount the bank loaned to you, the bank is likely to only loose more money than if you sold it for them.  That is why they generally prefer to do short sales rather than deeds in lieu

Can you expound further on how you've come to this conclusion? BB wrote a post a couple days ago about a new program where BofA will be offering a cash incentive to homeowners who agree to do a Deed In Lieu rather than a SS or foreclosure. Certainly, BofA wouldn't do this if it wasn't in their financial interests to do so. Would they?

Respectfully,

10:10am • #21
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Richard, GREAT POST, it seems as if there are more questions than answers when it comes to this touchy subject. I applaud you for taking the time to write such an informative post.

10:24am • #22
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Richard, extemely well written post.  Most people are confused about these issues, very clear and concise.  Thanks very much!

10:32am • #23

Richard, this is an extremely useful post. Thank you for sharing. There is so much misinformation out there about the options for sellers in distress. Thank you for setting the record straight.

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Obviously, it's not black and white for borrowers.  Why do so many think they can just walk away without ramifications?  Are the banks persuing deficiency judgements now?  Are they storing them to go after them down the road?

Nightmarish situation is well put.

10:49am • #26
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This is an excellent detailed explanation of the various scenarios.  Going to reblog this one.

11:11am • #27
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Hi Richard -- Do you have a post on how bankruptcy can or may stave off the foreclosure process?  Good info here...

11:16am • #28

Great through breakdown! I agree that WAY to many agents are giving "short sale advice" without knowing the law. I think alot of them may find themselves in court in the next 2-5 years.

 

 

11:22am • #29
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Excellent insight, Richard. I would like to see someone of your caliber write about this process in California.

12:47pm • #31
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Richard, this is so informative and very helpful. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

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My first time commenting on one of your blogs.  I agree with all that it was very well written and I'm definitely going to bookmark this.  My sincere thanks.

Ann

2:10pm • #33
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This is definitely one of those posts that I will come back and read through again, very concise and logical.

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This was a nicely detailed overview and well written.  Good job!

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Richard - This is one where one needs to read several times.  Great information !  These topics always come up when a potential seller has to decide what they are going to do if the property is underwater.

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Richard, LOADED with tons of good information as usual.  Hopefully some consumers and industry pros read and heed in equal measures! 

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Thank you for the goldmine of information. I will now read every post you write.

7:21pm • #38

That 2nd bite info was very interesting.  Your entire article was well written and very much appreciated.  It's always nice to hear from someone who has the knowledge about a subject such as this.  Too often people want to try and explain things as you did above when they do not have the knowledge needed to try and offer up such a well informed answer.

Thanks again.

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Richard, another excellent explanation of the process and how it is evolving. Thanks so much for the insights and new information. I was going to ask about bankruptcy and also about deed-in-lieu when the property isn't worth more than owed.

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Thanks Richard.  I appreciate the answer.  Of course I tell all of my clients that they need to talk with THEIR attorney prior to making a decision like this. 

11:45pm • #41
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Richard, Wow – this is an information-packed-post! This is information Realtors must be very careful with … “giving legal advise” is a fine line we are not to cross. I wish more agents would make it their job to at least understand all of this. Thanks for posting.

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This is great information.  Thanks for sharing.................chris

9:22am • #43
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Good stuff.  Thanks for explaining it in such detail.

10:22am • #44

Very good post. most don't understand the detrails of the deficiancy and forevlosure. You outlined it very clearly.

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Richard, great blog with valuable info.
11:18am • #47
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Things are a little different in California.  With purchase money generally speaking there is no deficiency judgement.

11:33am • #48
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Great information.  I've wanted to write a post like this as it applies to Colorado.  I'm not an attorney so I haven't.

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As always, some great information - re-blogging to my clients, thanks!

11:48am • #50
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Thanks for taking the time to write this.  Another reason for all agents to read and review the work of our peers.  Great info to have on file for sellers.  Worth a re-blog.  cw

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Wow, thank you, that is so well explained. This is valuable to me as an SFR Certified Realtor. As i live in Palm Bay and my office is in Satellite Beach Florida this applies to me and my clients and future clients.

Great Post.

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I have re-posted this since it goes above and beyond anything I could possibly say on the topic!

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I have a question that no one else has addressed on the subject of the bank taking back the property and then asking for a deficiency from the mortgagee.

I had a short sale that was forclosed on in the middle of negotiations.  The note was for $249,000. 

The property was purchased at an auction for $156,000 by the bank and subsequently sold as an REO (to the same buyer that I had lined up and for the same price - but that's another story) for $192,000.  Is the deficiency $249,00 - $156,000 = $93,000, OR $249,000 - $192,000 = $57,000?

Is the investor getting a tax credit for the loss, and if so in what amount?  How is this handled accounting wise?  I am not a tax accountant but there seems to be some potential here to make some pretty decent write offs here.  If the loss is counted as $93,000, which party gets the benefit of the extra $36,000 realized by the REO sale?  Is there some creative accounting going on here.

This has facinated me all along, and if anyone would like to discuss this, perhaps a tax accountant from a bank, I am all ears.  Or maybe someone has followed this through to the end and can shed some light on my question.

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Susan (#54)

Once the property is sold at foreclosure, the borrower's involvement is ended.  Whether the bank sells from REO for $10 or $10,000 makes no difference.

That being the case, the second question is moot.

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Thanks for the education!  I have a short sale listing but the seller will not sign off on B of A's short sale approval letter which mentions the possibility of a deficieny judgment.  From everything I have been hearing the bank can come after her after a foreclosure too.  It doesn't seem like her attorney is suggesting the bank can come after her after foreclosure howerver?  I think if I would have signed the listing after the new HAFA stuff came out she could sell via short sale and not worry about a deficiency judgment?

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What a great tutorial for Realtors and clients.  Thank you for this informative post!

11:09pm • #58

This was one of the most informative posts I've read in awhile. Thank you for taking the time to help educate us on this process. 

 

11:25pm • #59

Great information on Deed in lieu.  Thanks.

Terri Gogolen
11:27pm • #60
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Thanks for the extensive explanations of the differences.

12:19am • #61

Thanks Richard. Great information in your post.

12:30pm • #62

Great Information! This answers all of the questions I had but was afraid to ask. I am printing this off and saving a hard copy to reference. 

2:53pm • #63
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Thank you for your insights. Another reminder of how much I have to learn.

Erik Reilly CDPE REMAX Shores Long Island NY
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Richard, another outstanding post. Please keep them coming and I'll keep on posting.

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Dan (post 21)

The Cash for Keys program where the lender will generally give 2% of the mortage amount to the borrower in return for a deed in lieu is gaining some traction.  We have several in the office now. 

Your issue is one that I keep hammering home to my clients and all that listen - if you are thinking that the lenders work logically in the short sale arena, you are simply and logically wrong.

We too have had short sale listings where we ended up with a DIL.  Usually it happens after the listing has "seasoned" and no buyer offer has come along that meets the lender's NPV evaluation.

DIL's might occur when the valuation (this is not merely the market value of the home, but many factors, including estimated time to market, days on market, pricing history, neighborhood, cost for retaking property, the time value of cash, etc,) are factored and found within a sweet spot for the lender.  Yes, the lender finds it advantageous theoretically based on their analysis, to offer the DIL.  They may ultimately be wrong, but in this market, most of us have been wrong on at least SOME aspect of valuations!

We this week got another deal accepted by the lender AT A MODIFIED PRICE BELOW THE CURRENT OFFER.  Go figure. Must be that logic at work again! 

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Please correct me re: my understanding of this blog . . . a Deficiency Judgment may not apply if the Seller also files for bankruptcy and the deficiency is discharged - yes?

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Harj

A deficiency judgment is no longer enforcable (it is "discharged") in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, and it would be "scheduled" under a Chapter 13 bankruptcy.

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This is good stuff Richard. Too bad we are even in a position have to consider this stuff.

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I love Bryants Fruedian slip in 10...lol

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Very thorough post....thanks so much for the info! 

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