It just occurred to me as I was doing a very normal thing, that it might not actually be "normal".

I have a client that was referred to me by an Agent.

We met last week.  I took the loan application and promptly went to an Automated Underwriting Engine.  This is a lenders computer program that will determine if a loan is approved or declined.  After running 15 different scenarios, calling and discussing the loan with various lenders, I found what I thought was the best loan program for this clients situation.  I submitted and received an "Accept".  In lay terms that's an Approval.  I could have stopped there, issued a Pre-Approval Letter and moved on to the next project.

Computer Underwriting vs. Human Underwriting

There's a tech term "Garbage In - Garbage Out", which means if I put incorrect information into a program, I'll get a faulty answer.  The same goes with AU decisions.  Any Monkey could get a scenario to approve initially.  But that loan may be declined when a real human looks at it for final approval.

I've been doing this for a while (14 yrs) and I know how to compute income, reserves, and other pertinent factors that go into a loan approval.  In today's rapidly changing market, the guidelines that lenders fund loans by is changing daily.  I trust myself, I don't trust a computer program.  So I took an extra couple of days and had the loan file looked at by a human underwriter.  They concurred with me just now and issued a Conditional Loan Approval.

Facing Facts, the Truth and the complete picture

As soon as the approval cleared the fax machine I called and talked to the Agent and left a message for the Buyer.  I also completed a lengthy email to both detailing exactly how the approval was structured, what conditions we have prior to docs, what conditions prior to funding, and any and all possible bumps in the road I foresee.  I included the bad news as well as the good news.

This took an extra half hour of my time.  Yes, I could have just told them that we were Pre-Approved and left it at that.  The road that many loan officers take is called the path of least resistance.  I could have left out some of the simple conditions.  I could have withheld certain questions the underwriter had with the file.  In classic cars we have a saying, "That's a 20 foot paint job".  That means the car has great looking paint if you are far away, but get closer and you see a different story.    While the "Half Truth" may look pretty as the car passes you on the road, the full truth is what your parking in your own garage.  The "Full Truth" is what I pass along to the people who trust me.  The "Half Truth" is what a loan officer passes off to "make the sale".  That's not how I've ever done it. 

Volatility in the marketplace

Strange as it sounds, a Pre-Approval means less today than it did a month ago.  Why?  Due to  the Volatility in the marketplace that Pre-Approval is not guaranteed to hold.  I'll relax and exhale only when I see the funds have wired to Title.  Until then - anything can happen.   AHM left the building with what $450,000,000 in loans ready to be funded?  And they were a top ten Alt-A lender!   News abounds about the possible Countrywide doom.  They' re #1.  That means nobody is safe.

 BTW: If anyone tells you different, run away!  They are either Liars or Knuckleheads and don't know any better.   

Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale

This isn't a case of pessimism, certainly not optimism, and I'm not so sure it's realism.  But it's something I do daily and I think I may be "Abnormal".  Is it Stockdale-ism?

Said the Admiral, "You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end – which you can never afford to lose – with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be." 

There's a great explanation of The Stockdale Paradox and how it pertains to the mortgage world right now at the Mortgage Cicerone.

In this challenging time, I wholeheartedly embrace the idea of being a "Stockdale".  Shouldn't you?

 

 

 


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21 Comments on The Stockdale Paradox

AUG
16
2007

Very good blog entry Mike.  Stockdalism is a familiar concept and a prudent philosophy

12:17pm • #1
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Thanks Larry - I've been doing what I have been doing for a very long time.  It was Tony's post that got me to thinking yesterday.  I'm a Stockdale.  Always have been.  Just didn't know it had a name.  So all credit goes to Tony!

 

 

12:22pm • #2
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Mike - I'll just start referring to you as "The Admiral!" When I read about Admiral Stockdale and his articulation of what made him tick, it really hit home. My family and friends have have always called me an "Optimistic Realist" or a "Pessimistic Optimist." Sometimes I didn't understand what they meant, however after reading about the Stockdale Paradox, it was like a light bulb being turned on.

I salute "The Admiral" for your approach to doing loans the right way!!!

12:59pm • #3
Whatever the philosphy, we need more brokers like you who bring human understanding to the process, whether the market is up, down, or out-of-control.  Confronting the brutal facts--whether it is someones underwriting or helping them buy/sell a home--is the best path.
2:23pm • #4
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Mike - Way to go for getting featured! This is an essential post that all in our industry must read and then practice the fundamentals you laid out.  Again, awesome post!
8:30pm • #5
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Hi Mike - I applaud your efforts to go beyond the computer approval.   It's just way to volatile today to not do what you did, and I would love to know that the loan officers I work with do the same.  I just may ask them, now that I've read this post.

Thanks for this post!
Ann

8:35pm • #6
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Mike.. what a terrific post.. these are wise words to all in this market.. you better know exactly what is going on and you better have a relationship with a very good loan agent who tells it like it is or your clients and you will be in trouble..
8:43pm • #7
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I agree with Kaye...know your loan officer well!  I just spoke to a trusted one this am for quite awhile...he's been sending me articles and input from people in his company as well. Three here closed this am. On the flip side...the news says "Hawaii Housing Market remains strong....single family home sales up!". 

 

9:01pm • #8
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Hi, Mike!  I've often wondered why the preapps that buyers get can be produced within minutes.  Of course we find out that they're no good at all weeks down the line after all the expectations and hard work put out by the clients and the agents.

Great to know that you're not one of them.  Congrats on the feature!

9:06pm • #9
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Mike,

This is the second great post of yours that I read today!  Thanks for the good advice in both. 

9:38pm • #10
AUG
17
2007
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Interesting post. Keep up the good work.
2:06am • #11
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Your's and Brian's posts today are helpful with the current mortgage climate. It' sobering. Also very muchy appreciate the missive about how you currently work. I can't imagine someone doing it better. It's all about taking that extra time to achieve excellence.
5:45am • #12

Great post and wise advice in these uncertain times.

I'm a car guy as well.  The "20 foot paint job" is a well known phrase to me.  In fact I drive a 15 footer.  When people peek out the window on my listing appointments hte Jag looks great! But up close .....not so sweet.

6:41am • #13
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Mike... this is an excellent article and so true. I have 2 clients currently approved with other lenders and it's false. I have 2 people going FHA with other lenders and they are blatantly lying to them. False hope is what I call it and it's scary on how the lender back peddles.  Good post...

jeff belonger 

9:51am • #14
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Mike -

Being a L/O in the past, I have to agree with you.  I never fully trusted the automated service either.  And if I were still in your field, I would be calculating the incomes, ratios, etc. also.  I think I'd call what your doing "smart-business" and not providing false hope, nor wasting time.  Appreciate the post!

9:53am • #15
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Tony -   Your post stuck on me.  I was just doing what I normally do and the memory of your post popped up in my mind.  Sometimes topics are planned, other times they are forced upon us.

Mary - Thank you.  Eventually you and I are going to get together.

Ann - Most every loan needs to be run through a AU decision making process these days.  That decision will always be verified by a human.  Your LOs don't have a choice, they'll still have that file manually underwritten, but that may be down the road.

Kaye - Thanks.  I'll correct you on one thing.  I don't know exactly what is going on.  Nobody does.  maybe the better statement would be, "I know exactly what I don't know about what is going on". 

Sally - Optimism is good (the news stories) as long as you also see and understand the other side.


9:54am • #16
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Yolanda - Not necessarily.  Technology is a wonderful and incredible thing.  The modern day loan officer could (in theory) take a loan application over the phone, pull that persons credit report, submit to a Lender, secure an approval, and lock the loan.  All in under 15 minutes!  And while on the same phone call.  That's really cool.  That loan may fund just like it should and there's nothing wrong with the system as long as the borrower gives accurate information and the LO interprets that information correctly. Oh, and then the one more thing that may not have come out clearly in the post...  In light of the volatility in the market right now, with guidelines changing on a daily basis, I didn't particularly trust the computer's decision making ability.  2 Months ago it was a different story.

 

10:12am • #17
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Mike, I'm not entirely aware how you 'mortgage guys' (little plug there) go through the pre-approval process.  And as you said, it's really cool to know that it doesn't take days to secure one with a great deal of accuracy.  But the latest lending atmospere is not giving anybody confidence at all.  Do you have any predictions at all as to when relief will come?
10:24am • #18
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Patricia - Thanks for the kind words.  Hopefully the other post you read wasn't my ill fated "How to color code your closet".

Kathleen  - Actually full props go to Tony for his explanation.  I read that and realized what I was doing was Stockdale-ing.  I just didn't know it had a name.

Bob - Thanks!

Gary - If Brian writes it, I read it.  I don't always agree with him on everything but he's right on that post for sure. I'm a daily reader of his.

Bob - a car guy?  cool.  What year Jag? I have a fully unrestored 1968 Porsche 912 Soft Window Targa (euro gray market car) begging for my attention.

Jeff - Thanks.  While we are in the Sales Profession, that tends to bring in Sales Tactics as well.  Good or bad, that's where we are.  If anything I think the current crisis will do a better job of shining the spotlight on responsible ethical lending practitioners.  Think back 3 years ago.  The Liars and Knuckleheads could get away with almost anything they said.  Turmoil would happen behind the scenes, but it would be all behind the scenes.  "Joe Bob said he was approved and by golly he got the job done!", might be something an Agent would have said.

Flash forward to today.  Joe Bob is still throwing out statements like he has been.  Only now when poop hits the fan, Joe Bob can't scramble and salvage the loan.  Truth be told, Joe Bob doesn't even know what makes a good loan good.  He's an order taking salesman.  His time to fail is now.

Hey that's a great topic for another post.  I call Dibs!


10:39am • #19
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Cynthia - In solid times, and understanding how DU or LP works, and how Assets and income should be computed, I have no problem with AU.  Some programs purport "Follow the Findings" meaning the documentation needed to be approved by a human underwriter is what the DU or LP findings report states.  If the report says "No Income Documentation Needed" that's what is required.  My big problem is that we are not in solid times.  Thanks for the visit and nice words.  Oh, and I still compute DTI, LTV etc all on my old fashioned calculator.  


 

10:46am • #20
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How refreshing it was to ready your post!  We're all in this together with the same goal so I really appreciate any lender who doesn't act insulted when I call and ask for details when they've only given me a standard form-letter pre-approval in quick script on their letterhead.  As a Listing Agent, I don't want details on what interest rate the buyer may pay; I'm interested in whether or not the buyer has really obtained an underwritten loan approval or not. 
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