This is possibly the most republished syndicated real estate article of 2005. I knew it was republished and bloged in five countries on 3 continents but recently I found out it had been translated into French and German and published in those countries too. Why anyone outside the USA would be interested in Yield Spread Premiums is beyond me.

I had not bloged it here because I assumed that the readers understood both mortgage brokers and their relationship with mortgage bankers. Saturday night I read the most offensive mix of facts and fertilizer I've seen on this site, involving YSP and prepayment penalties. I couldn't determine the writers motives, but I will ask you "why is a mortgage broker receiving YSP (YSP is received from the lender not charged the buyer) bad when a mortgage banker normally at a slightly higher rate with his profits hidden good?"

A Consumers Guide To Mortgage Brokers And The Evil Yield Spread Premium

Kick backs, hidden cost, back points, HUD (Housing and Urban Development) calls it "Yield Spread Premium" (YSP), money paid by the a lender to mortgage brokers outside of closing. Money paid by the lender to the broker because you got a higher mortgage interest rate. Mortgage brokers are suppose to show this on line 801 of their "Good Faith Estimate" and escrow will show it on the estimated and final closing statements (HUD- I) when closing a loan for a mortgage broker. You'll never see these "points" on a loan from a bank, mortgage banker. Savings and loan, thrift, or credit union! Several Congressman and Senators have expressed concern over YSP's in recent years citing undo enrichment of mortgage brokers and their agents. The news media often mentions "kick backs" to mortgage brokers, and yet this practice continues!

First we need to understand mortgage pricing. The traditional bank offered one mortgage interest rate that fluctuated occasionally, after WW 11 loans often included an "Origination" fee (normally 1 point, 1% of the loan amount) more recently we have seen many additional bank and third party fees. Until about 1973 mortgage banks and mortgage brokers as we know them dealt mostly in "government" loans (FHA and VA) the rates were set by the FHA and VA respectively if these rates were below the current market these lenders added "discount points" to increase the "Yield" sufficiently to make money available. We soon saw wide spread use of these "discount points" to buy-down interest rates on all types of mortgage loans. After 1974 when mortgage brokers began their dominance of the mortgage origination market (current estimates have mortgage brokers originating 75 to 90+% of all mortgage loans) your bank normally had I rate and it included I origination point, mortgage bankers normally have "the rate" and one "buy down" rate. Strangely, mortgage brokers have many rates in 1/8% increments of rate, spanning 2 or more % interest. This is strange because most money offered by mortgage brokers comes from mortgage bankers, the same banks that offer only, the afore mentioned, two, higher cost, rates to their retail clients. About half the rates available to mortgage brokers were the traditional "Buy-down" rates costing up to 2 points more than the so called "par rate" (no discount cost to the broker) the other half were "buy-up" rates paying the broker up to 4%. The payments, kick backs, hidden cost, back points, etc... were finally named "yield spread premium" by HUD about a decade ago. It's not uncommon for a mortgage broker to have available a 6 point spread (4 points YSP to 2 discount points) available on any given loan program. That 6 points on a $300,000 loan means up to $18,000 difference in closing cost, regardless of all the other closing cost. Yet, all that extra cost only means about 2% difference in the interest rate. Most consumers don't have the luxury of choice, they seldom have an extra $18,000.00. Unless they need the lower rate to qualify for the loan the lowest rates seldom make sense.

A quick glance at the rates and discount points might make you think that you'd always save money after 3 years ( 6 discount points divided by 2% interest reduction) but that's not true. The idiosyncrasies of loan amortization mean that the break-even point is normally closer to 5 years, not counting the time value of money. In today's society it's rare in deed that a mortgage loan actually exists for five years, either the house is sold or it's refinanced long before the break-even point.

Yet HUD and certain congressman keep holding hearings about the evil YSP and the abuses by mortgage brokers of this "hidden" cost. Selected witnesses offer tales of over charges and hidden cost they are bone chilling. Claims of over charging abound. The problem is they can't explain why mortgage brokers originate almost all residential mortgage loans, and why it's almost always less expensive and more successful to finance with a mortgage broker.

There have been abuses, many of them, you're more likely to be abused by a broker and or his agent than other lenders, because: there are more of them, remember up-to 9 out of 10 mortgages come from brokers.. These abuses and promises of reform make great head lines. "Reformed" is always an interesting term, it implies you're better than the un-reformed. The argument is that only mortgage brokers charge YSP, but is it a charge? Yield is the return on investment or the product of an investment. Spread is the difference between cost and return, or gross profit. Premium is something extra above the cost.

In it's simplest form, if a $100,000.00 loan is at 6.000% it will yield $6,000.00. If the cost of funds is 2.000% then the spread is 4.000% or $4,000.00. If administrate and overhead cost the lender 0.5% then the premium is $3,500.00. YSP is a relatively new term coined by HUD. When most of us went to school if you subtracted cost from yield you determined The payments, kick backs, hidden cost, back points, etc... were finally named "yield spread premium" by HUD about a decade ago.

It's not uncommon for a mortgage broker to have available a 6 point spread (4 points YSP to 2 discount points) available on any given loan program. That 6 points on a $300,000 loan means up to $18,000 difference in closing cost, regardless of all the other closing cost. Yet, all that extra cost only means about 2% difference in the interest rate. Most consumers don't have the luxury of choice, they seldom have an extra $18,000.00. Unless they need the lower rate to qualify for the loan the lowest rates seldom make sense.

A quick glance at the rates and discount points might make you think that you'd always save money after 3 years ( 6 discount points divided by 2% interest reduction) but that's not true. The idiosyncrasies of loan amortization mean that the break-even point is normally closer to 5 years, not counting the time value of money. In today's society it's rare in deed that a mortgage loan actually exists for five years, either the house is sold or it's refinanced long before the break-even point.

Yet HUD and certain congressman keep holding hearings about the evil YSP and the abuses by mortgage brokers of this "hidden" cost. Selected witnesses offer tales of over charges and hidden cost they are bone chilling. Claims of over charging abound. The problem is they can't explain why mortgage brokers originate almost all residential mortgage loans, and why it's almost always less expensive and more successful to finance with a mortgage broker.

There have been abuses, many of them, you're more likely to be abused by a broker and or his agent than other lenders, because: there are more of them, remember up-to 9 out of 10 mortgages come from brokers.. These abuses and promises of reform make great head lines. "Reformed" is always an interesting term, it implies you're better than the un-reformed. The argument is that only mortgage brokers charge YSP, but is it a charge? Yield is the return on investment or the product of an investment. Spread is the difference between cost and return, or gross profit. Premium is something extra above the cost.

In it's simplest form, if a $100,000.00 loan is at 6.000% it will yield $6,000.00. If the cost of funds is 2.000% then the spread is 4.000% or $4,000.00. If administrate and overhead cost the lender 0.5% then the premium is $3,500.00. YSP is a relatively new term coined by HUD. When most of us went to school if you subtracted cost from yield you determined profit!

Why don't banks and mortgage bankers have to report their profits and why do we call it YSP? We don't require any business to report their profits to anyone except to stockholders and the IRS. We have to further define YSP, it is that portion of the anticipated profits the lender shares with the mortgage broker. In that 10% or so of mortgage loans originated by lenders they pay commissions and overhead to their own in-house sales department it is considered cost. It is only when the loan originates with an outside mortgage broker that the commission is called YSP.

Shouldn't the consumer go to direct lenders to save money? It sounds good but it doesn't work that way mortgage brokers do most mortgage loans for two very good reasons. Loans from mortgage brokers are almost always less expensive, because of competition! Thanks to mortgage brokers the mortgage origination business is possibly the most competitive business in the country! Secondly, success! Mortgage brokers are able to close more loans because they have more than one source for a loan. When the consumer doesn't qualify for a banks program he's turned down, that's the end of the application. The turned down consumer will never know that several other lenders would take his loan, mortgage brokers will get the loan approved.

Mortgage brokers have all those fees! Yes there are a lot of cost in closing a mortgage loan. Ads are always telling you, you can be finance for only $395 to $995, that's true. But they are not talking about third party cost! Direct lenders advertising these low closing cost are simply using some of the spread to absorb those costs, mortgage brokers do this all the time using the YSP to off set the consumers cost. Normally the direct lender can avoid showing you the real cost, where the broker will have to show all the cost and issue a credit, he'll also show the YSP adding to the consumer's confusion. When a consumer sees a long list of costs he may never notice the total at the bottom of the page may be less than the direct lenders short list. All other terms being equal, the only way to compare loans is to check the amount out of pocket and the monthly payment.

Lenders who paint them selves in to a corner advertising fixed fees (like $395) limit their ability to provide the best loan for the individual. Mortgage brokers have a lot more flexibility to aid the consumer and normally will have a lower rate for any given cost, or a lower cost for any given rate. You have to compare apples to apples!

If Congress and HUD are investigating the evils of YSP, won't we be better off? A few years ago the same people investigated "predatory lending" a couple of large direct lenders had preyed on a southern state. To cure the problem we now have new law "Section 32." The new law did nothing to help the people suffering form the "predatory" lenders. What the new law did was to drive more morally cognizant lenders out of the business of helping troubled lenders! If the lender now makes one of these high risk loans they must have the client sign a new form in escrow 3 days before closing that says if you don't make your payments you could lose your house! I've only been in lending since 1969 but I've never seen a mortgage or deed of trust, that didn't very clearly say if you don't make the payments you could lose the house. The only thing the new law accomplished was to reduce competition in this already expensive field driving up prices, and cause a few people to lose their home or worst because their loan was delayed.

The horror stories are true and all the same. The predatory victim explains: I agreed to pay $1,000/ month, I spent the money, I can't make the payment, they foreclosed on me! There's enough sin to go around, who's more immoral? The lady who spent the loan proceeds knowing she couldn't make the payments or the lender who should have known she'd never make the payments? The evil YSP story goes like this: I agreed to pay 6.5%, he told me I only had to pay I point origination, I found out this YSP thing, was the lender paying him 2 points! Where's the problem, the bank would have given her the same loan for 6.5% at the same 1 point origination, it's what she agreed to pay. Consumers never ask the bank what there making The evils of YSP are imaginary but they make great sound bites! We can only hope HUD and/or Congress doesn't solve a non-existent problem.

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

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13 Comments on A Consumers Guide To Mortgage Brokers And The Evil Yield Spread Premium

OCT
31
2006
8 Featured Posts
Thanks for the info.  I am a firm believer in disclosure of everything in real estate, including hidden fees/compensation. 
1:41am • #1
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Bill,

This is the third time I've read this article in the past two days.  Each reading spurs on different thoughts:

1- The libertarian in me says "caveat emptor" there should be no licensing, etc.etc.; consumers should read what they sign and make informed decisions.

2- The liberal in me (and it's a small part of me) says that we should protect consumers at all costs, reorganize our current home financing model to independent, heavily licensed, originators who operate independedntly of banks and work for a set fee.

3- The conservative in me says that the current system is just fine.  We really should overhaul the APR reporting to be reflecvtive of an "average life" instead of a payoff date so the consumer can really understand APR but that's a small nuance.

Mortgage brokerage and banking is a VERY competitive industry.  Full disclosure is fine but the current "correspondent lending" system is a loophole to RESPA.  If brokers had to fund and service those loans for six months, they would be true bankers. 

I think the answer is to DO AWAY with the YSP reporting (who cares?).  Consumers should be educated on APR analysis.There will always be some "revolutionary" who intends to introduce a new model to do away with "those insidious brokers".  Let's see them try.  A home loan is not a car, it is a personal, important, financial planning vehicle that requires advice and guidance. 

 

7:31pm • #2
NOV
01
2006
27 Featured Posts

Bill,

Great topic.  I lean more towards the elimination of YSP reporting and an overhaul of APR to make it less manipulatable and a better comparison of what the borrower is getting.  I am not sure that will ever be possible, but who knows. 

Brian is also pointing out a good fact in relation to correspondent lenders.  They are more or less in a loophole, so can manipulate things a little more, which is probably why there are so many of them here in Florida, you know, the state with the highest mortgage fraud.

While my disclosure always has a range of 0-3% for YSP, I have no problem letting my clients know how much I am making on their loan, oncve the loan has been locked.  I am also an Upfront Mortgage Broker and follow their policies, thus allowing YSP, broker fee, or a combo to be as transparent as possible from day 1!  All mortgage professionals should do this in my opinion.

10:30am • #3
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Stefan, Brian, Robert,

It’s good to know some one is reading my blogs.

Stefan, I agree about "hidden fees" but "compensation?" Did you ever finance a new car? What was the banks profit? What did the dealer make?

The consumer is entitled to know what he’s paying, but by what standard do you justify demanding to know what my profit is on the transaction?

Do you know that the car dealer gets a rebate on that new car and that it’s dependent upon how many cars he sells?

You can get that new Super 8 two door for $500.00 down and 84 payments of $455.00 a month from several dealers are you entitled to know just what each dealer grosses on that car? No, and it wouldn’t occur to you to ask!

Do you think that you’re entitled to ask the bank if they are going to fund you next loan from 2% CDs or the newer 5% CD’s and what difference does it make? The payments are still $455.00 a month for 84 months!

YSP is the same thing, you’re entitled to know what your getting and what your cost is, but the brokers gross?

Do you know that a high volume mortgage broker gets a larger YSP than a low volume office? Does that mean that it’s better to get the money from me instead of Brian because he makes a quarter point more on the same terms? Many of us are also mortgage bankers as such we don’t have to tell you what we’re grossing. Does that make us less expensive after all there is not that big bad number, disclosing the YSP.

Brian, Robert,

I quote "caveat emptor" all the time, but with so little financial or even common sense being taught, RESPA was a good idea. It’s only its’ execution that is wrong, and every time it’s revised it gets worse. YSP is wrong, it was a feel good law that was to said protect the consumer, but all it really did was harm.

HUD writes the rules and has yet to understand lending.

I go back to 1969 and this nonsense came along in 1971. At that time we were still writing some "discounted loans" a/k/a prepaid interest loans, and the first payment was due one month after the closing regardless of the date, so including prepaid interest made sense. Today when prepaid interest is only used to adjust the due date to the first it doesn’t belong in the APR! Lets take prepaid interest out of APR and set a standard of say 25 days interest so that the consumer doesn’t get a huge surprise at closing and all disclosures are comparable. As long as we’re fixing the APR lets take out all third party charges, if the lender doesn’t control a charge it shouldn’t be included in the APR.

Are we the only 4 that care?

 

Thanks Guys,

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

http://www.reii.org

3:55pm • #4
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This is the same crew minus Belonger.  I can honestly say that I've had more insightful and educational discussions from the "lending crew" on AR in the past 8 weeks than I have in 12 years.

The best part is this, we disagree about really MINUTE details of big issues and I, for one, think that is a very important thing.  I guess what I'm saying before I start a "We are the World" Love-in is that I feel completely comfortable with pretty much every participant in our lender's dicussions as a referral source and appreciate the frank discussions we have.  I hope we continue to educate each other through this  open dialogue.

9:21pm • #5
NOV
02
2006
8 Featured Posts

This subject is very interesting to me personally, and I appreciate everyone's comments and insight. 

Bill, you indicate that a consumer is entitled to know what they are getting and what their cost is, but not necessarily the broker's gross. 

 I believe that the whole crux of the matter is that shopping for a loan is almost impossible for the average everyday consumer, because it is next to impossible for them to compare apples to apples.  I agree with Robert that a complete overhaul of APR may be the answer.  If I knew I was getting the best deal out there, I wouldn't care what the broker was grossing on the loan.  That would be left for the market to determine. 

8:23am • #6
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Stefan,

Is there anyone there with you? Would you ask them to please do me a favor? I’d do it my self, but I’m stuck here in Las Vegas.

Ask them to stand close facing you, extend their right hand to shake your’s and reach out with their left and pat you on the back, please.

You earned it! Your last two sentences are what all of our long winded rhetoric is all about!

All any of us want is a fair playing field and Reg. Z to full fill it’s nobel promise.

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment

12:19pm • #7
MAR
16
2007

While subprime loans might allow 7% in yield spread premium and orgination, i have yet to see anyone charge that.

On average loan officers make 2% or less (A paper loans).  it is because of an open free market.  We do a lot of work on each file, a borrower is only involvedf with a third of the work.

Banks are regulated by the FDIC and are not required to disclose YSP.  So they are making some markup, but not more than the market allows.

To get an apples to apples comparison on loan quotes, only compare the 800's on good faith estimates, the rest is from third parties.  Only if they are paying third party fees would it apply. 

Ethan 

Mortgage Consultant  

 

 

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4:50pm • #8
APR
04
2007
277,400 Points 59 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I can honestly say, and it has taken some time to come to grips with how to really go about doing it, but these days I have the conversation with all potential clients of "How I make my money?" 

In the end, as long as we come to an agreement on what a fair price is for my services and their situation...they will understand exactly how much me and my firm are getting paid and why.  I'm not sure if this is the best way, for a variety of reasons, but there will always be loopholes present that allow industry professionals to pad their income without anyone's knowledge on a transaction.  So, as long as the comfortablity of the fee for my service is there, that particular issue doesn't become an issue.

5:15pm • #9
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Jason,

That sounds pretty good to me.

Like you I have always disclose all of my company fees, regardless of the source, I explained that the client has a choice in interest rate based on the points he's charged, I make the same whether he pays or the lender does.

The problem is that since the mandated YSP disclosure for mortgage brokers it has been used to bilk the public by those who aren't required to disclose it.

A client is entitled to know the terms and cost of their loan, I've always explain YSP so they know they have choices and why, not because I believe it's anyone business what I gross.

You're a little late to the blog but very welcome. You sound like one of the good guys.

Bill

5:57pm • #10
APR
12
2007

Thoroughly enjoyed reading the blog and the (very cogent) commentary.

Kudos to all.

- Al

p.s. it would be interesting to hear your points of view on the current supposed "crisis" in sub-prime that is "spilling over" to Alt-A. (Reminds me of October of '98.)

8:26pm • #11
APR
13
2007
222,515 Points 19 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Al,

Thank you for your kind words.

Far be for me to leave anyone wondering about my position on anything. I'll try to answer your question.

My Ambiguous Blogs I hope it answers your question.

I see you're from Houston, please check out: Legal Business From Active Rain

Bill

 

2:19am • #12
NOV
16
2007
222,515 Points 19 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I have deleted two short comments by someone named only "ed." "ed" is complaining about a named FL mortgage broker's "garbage fee" and the YSP after the fact. "ed" remains anonymous.

"ed" would have us believe after shopping for the best deal and closing it, that he was over charged, because his credit union doesn't charge a processing fee or collect that nasty YSP. We don't have any facts to judge the broker, just slander and innuendo, and what we know about "ed" doesn't speak well of him.

"ed" shopped for the lowest cost, what does the label matter? Especially after closing on his best offer. He's right his credit union and banks don't have YSP, they simply have undisclosed profits.

Bill

7:35pm • #13

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