One of my Flagstaff mortgage originators told me on Friday that no second mortgages (as in 90-10-10) are available. They are doing PMI (private mortgage insurance) on the second 10%.  (I said, good thing Congress made PMI deductible!)

What do the Active Rain mortgage experts have to say - are there any piggybacks still available?

Some background for those not familiar with the term "piggyback" loan: Just a few years ago, lenders began marketing piggyback mortgages aggressively.  Before that, private mortgage insurance was needed for any loan on a home purchase without an 80% down payment. A piggyback loan works this way: You get two home loans -- a primary mortgage for 80 percent of the purchase price, and a higher-rate secondary mortgage (the piggyback loan) for the rest of the borrowed amount. Piggybacks appeal to homeowners because the combined monthly payments usually add up to less than the monthly payments on a single loan with mortgage insurance.

Flagstaff homes are more expensive than the national average, so we see many newcomers who have homes to sell elsewhere - even with good equity ratios in their old homes - in need of 90% financing. Since PMI is now a deductible expense, will it matter much to these people that there is not a second mortgage? Will there also be an interest rate differential?

One advantage of the 90/10/10 format was that homeowners could concentrate their savings plans on paying down that higher priced second mortgage. Will there now be a disincentive to pay down the mortgage as part of an overall savings or financial plan - at least a psychological one?

Thanks for your Flagstaff real estate referrals.

 

10 Comments on Second Mortages A Thing of the Past?

AUG
18
2007
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Hi Ann -- Out here in the Islands it is very difficult and very expensive to get a second lien now.  I think we are going to see a great resurgence in PMI loans.  Aloha
5:29pm • #1
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We just did on Ann but as your lender said it did have PMI on the second, rules are very fluid right now.  I am not sure that same product is available today!  Nice post Ann.
6:33pm • #2
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Bruce and Gary - thanks. "Fluid" is certainly the right word, from what I hear.
6:51pm • #3
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at this time it is my belief that the legislation that made pmi deductable was only good for this year and would need to be renewed by congress to stay in effect.

lenders doing self insured pmi are doing so because it is extremely profitable to them. beware, and compare costs.

piggy backs are still very much alive at this time. make sure you get an approval and lock as soon as possible. 

7:55pm • #4
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I am doing a stand alone 2nd mortgage (of course full doc)  I could not believe the difference in rates I was seeing - 10.75 at Wells Fargo and 9% at CitiMortgage.  You have to shop around today. 
8:01pm • #5
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Jay -- thanks for that heads up on PMI deductibility!

John - what a whopping difference in rates!

10:36pm • #6
AUG
19
2007
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One of my investors has phenomenal 2nd mortgages, I don't think they know what the heck they are doing.  You can get up to 100% on a closed ended 5/1 ARM with I/O if you want for no extra cost at 8.875%- You could do a 1 year ARM at 7.75%- why do an arm because they are based on the 1 year LIBOR plus a 2.25% margin so the fully indexed rate is less than 7.375%- so if either adjusted today they would go down.  Amazing.

Seconds didn't go away for fully documented income with good credit mostly in the conforming market.

1:42pm • #7
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Kurt - I think I'd worry if you think they don't "know what the heck they are doing." They may not be able to fund at closing time!
3:21pm • #8
AUG
20
2007
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Ann,

If they weren't a big bank I would be worried, but they haven't changed anything since all of this hit the fan.  I guess I should have added the smiley face after that.  I just think that they aren't charging enough on their 2nds, but they must be performing for them.

4:06pm • #9
Wells Fago will still do an 80/15 and if you run the loan through their automated underwriting system and you get "stated income" findings on the first mortgage they will do stated on the second as well.  Dont believe all the hype out there that second mortgages and stated income loans are a thing of the past because its just not true.
4:26pm • #10

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