When shopping around for a mortgage rate and program, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.  Just like anything else.  By fault I analysis everything.  When I have a client that is looking to refinance or purchase a home, with an unusual situation I will try to come up with every possible situation or problem that could occur. 

I don't have a problem with a client shopping me with another company, but sometimes I find that they return with off the wall information.  Sometimes programs that no longer exist are offered by other lenders, or rates that are untouchable by any lender.  This usually ends up as the bait and switch.  Nothing fries my rear end more than the bait and switch.

For instance:  A client is looking to purchase a home with very little money down, and this client is self employed.  He is looking for a stated income mortgagewith credit scores at about 680.  After talking with a couple of other mortgage lenders, my client is offered the possibility of purchasing the home with no money down.  100% financing as a stated 30 year fixed, with 6% credit from the seller.  This program left with the sub-prime melt down!  When the stuff hit the fan 100% stated programs went with it.  I assured my client that this was not an option, but when you hear what you want to hear, you go for that gold!

Its like going to the doctor you have had for many years, he tells you you have cancer.  You go for a second opinion, that doctor tells you that you do NOT have cancer and you will be fine.  The third opinion gives you the same news as the first doctor, but you choose to believe doctor number 2 because that is what you wanted to hear. 

When you decide to go for the option that seems too good to be true, you need to hold on tight, rollercoasterthe ride will be bumpy.  And in the end the roller-coaster ride may not be worth it.

Working with a trusted Mortgage Professional is important today with all the changes in loan programs.  Today you have to provide more documentation, have better credit scores, have some money to put down.  Long gone are the days of fogging the mirror to obtain a loan. 

This is not to say that 100% programs are not available, they are under certain circumstances and criteria. 

In the end, my client did meet with the lender offering 100% financing for a purchase on a stated income loan with a 6% seller credit.  I received a call later that day, that lender couldn't offer it either. I'm just glad he was told before they got started instead of just prior to closing.  But just getting him in the door seemed to be the objective, hoping he'd stay.

It may not be what you want to hear, but it will be what is available for you! 

 

Kim Murphy| 1st Advantage Mortgage

Providing Home loans for over 10 years

 
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29 Comments on Do you want to close, or tell you what you want to hear?

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2007
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Evening Kim.   My loan friends tell me this is the toughest part of the job and that so many lender reps will say anything to get the deal.  Lots of desperation out there.
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Bill... Unfortunately there are those out there that say anything to get you in the door...very frustrating!  Thank you for your comment!
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Kim:  You and I must be on the same kind of wavelength...our posts tonight both have that melancholy "Hey, I'm honest!" feel to them. ;) 

This is one of my favorite benefits of the market correction that we're going through in California.  Yes it means that I've got to fight for every deal, but the jokers who didn't treat people with honesty, integrity and compassion are losing their shirts...warehouse lines...offices....licenses!

The folks that hang in there are going to be perfectly positioned to benefit...and to serve the community we stayed true to.

Great post!

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Joey... I think the theme lately is trying to educate the public that the "fools gold" (as you said) is not the same as the real deal.  I think the market correction is going to put those of us with honesty and integrity miles ahead.  We will win the good fight while educating the consumer!  Thank you for your compliment!
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Kim, this is such a great post.  I have seen similar "bait and switch" deals as you called it.  It is really upsetting because the clients are the ones that suffer in the end.  I really hate when they have found a house that they absolutely love and then they are told that the situation is not what they thought.  I have a situation like that with a client RIGHT NOW!  It stinks!
11:23pm • #5
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Kim... The clients definitely suffer.  How many clients will walk away from a closing table even if it is not what they agreed to?  I don't think many will, most are homeless at that point and need to close, or have gone this far and don't want to turn back.  That is terrible!  They should not have to go through that and figure it out later.  I'm sorry your client is going through something like this now. 
11:29pm • #6
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Kim, You are the one to the rescue. I am so glad that at least they stopped before it was too late.
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Lol, love the 'fries my rear end' reference Kim.  I'm really enjoying what you are writing.  This is a very strong post and I'm sure you can figure out that I can identify with it completely.
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Kim, I am so glad folks like you, Jason and Matt are around to take care of people and tell them the truth. The truth may hurt, but at least you guys care enough to be honest! Keep up the good fight against those that don't care about their customers girl! You rock!
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Kim, Awesome Post.. (as always a 5 in my book).  PT Barnum always said a sucker is born every minute... People who want to believe make for easy targets
7:07am • #10
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It's too bad that so many clients think that rate shopping is the right thing to do.  It's bad for the client, it's bad for the market.  Good post!

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Kim - Great information.  I hope that you posted this to localism also.  I just dealt with a buyer that was looking for a home and found one online that said "all closing costs paid by seller."  Sounds good.  This buyer could definitely use this help.  It then said 100% financing available.  I called the agent who it turns out is also the builder and I asked about the 100% financing.  Since he was advertising it, and he said that he was the builder also, I wanted to know what rate he was charging.  His response was a very snotty, "How long have you been in the business?  I can't answer that because it depends on the buyer."  I responded in a firm, annoyed manner that I've been in the business long enough to know that when a listing is offering 100% financing that the owner is carrying the note.  It turns out that he would refer buyers to his mortgage broker (probably another snakeoil salesman) to get the buyers the financing as long as they had high enough credit.  Great, this was a referral from the mortgage broker that I use all of the time, and I'm sure that he can do as good or better if these people had the right credit.  I don't know what annoyed me more his condescending attitude, or the fact that he is blatantly misleading the public with this wording.  Thanks for giving me a place to vent, Kim.
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Mana... I wish I could rescue all of them....but some go for the dangling carrot!  Thanks for your comment!
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Jason..  Yes I know you can totally relate.  There are a few good LO's still out there!
1:56pm • #14
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Lysa... Honesty sometimes turns them to the wolves.... Its getting them to understand that before hand that is difficult!  Thanks! 
1:57pm • #15
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Kate... When not everyone gives them the truth it can be bad, VERY bad!  Thanks for your comment!
2:00pm • #17
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Adam... Vent away!  False advertising is irritating...its another bait and switch in my opinion!  Did you read my post about the attitude?  Condescending attitudes also fry my rear!  Whats with the attitude?  Thanks for stopping by!
2:04pm • #18
Kim- Great Post. I could not have said it better myself. With all of the changing, I have to review guidelines to make sure that programs are still there. Keep up the good work.
5:39pm • #19
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Shaun... Thank you!  Things are changing making it necessary to double check on unusual type of loans.  Nice to see you!
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kim,

Very good blog, I see that the most important ingredients for a smooth transaction it is honesty and communication.

Ray Saenz

 

10:34pm • #21
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i always ask buyers whose giving them the info so i canshop it with that institution.

the olde buyer inquiry call. 

11:23am • #22
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Ray... You got it! 

Jay... I will do that with buyers sometimes too, usually with them on the phone at the same time.  Funny how things are different when you ask the right questions. 

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The agents in YOUR AREA are thrilled to have YOU on their side.  Nothing like padding the pre-quals only to find out there's really not a good chance you'll ever buy anything in the next 5 years with THAT credit and THAT income!  I'll take 10 of YOU vs. someone who tells people what they want to hear!!  GREAT SERVICE!!!
8:27pm • #24
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Thanks Susie... Unfortunatley some buyers want what the liar lender wants to offer and get burned. Thank you for your compliments!
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10:47am • #26

It's ok Kim, if the client can't afford it the government will bail him out.

We all have no problem with that , right ? :)

11:11pm • #27
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2008

Kim

Great post... this is so true... but we weed thru these people fast... they don't last long

Rick

6:01am • #28
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2008
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Kim...this is such a great post.  There are so many lenders that promise the world and then do the bait and switch or can't deliver.  I always advise my buyers to go with someone that is reputable and has a proven record.  I am so glad you posted this-great points!
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