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Flipping Houses - It's Not For The Faint Of Heart

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Real Estate Agent with RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage

I read a great post today from fellow blogger Karen Fiddler from Viejo, California on the topic of flipping houses and whether house flippers deserve a profit.  Karen works in a marketplace in the United States that is quite different from here in Ontario.  Short sales is not a term used here and we rarely see foreclosures.  Properties here that end up back in the hands of a lending institution due to mortgage default are deemed to be Power of Sales.

I wrote the following post on Power of Sales to explain how they work and to let people know that if you think you are going to get a "steal of a deal" purchasing a Power of Sale property you are misinformed.

Karen's post deals with the question of whether people should profit by flipping homes. 

Here are my thoughts on the subject.

Flipping homes is not for the faint of heart. 

You have to know your marketplace intimately. 

1.  Is it a buyers market?  Sellers market?  Balanced market?

2. Is listing inventory high or low?  What is your competition?  What is the average number of days on market to sell?

3. What are buyers looking for?  Three or four bedrooms?  Garages?  Fireplaces? Fenced yards?  Finished basements? You have to renovate to appeal to the masses.

4. Is the property in a desirable neighbourhood?

You have to know your renovating costs intimately.

1. Are you doing the work yourself or hiring contractors? How much time can you afford to spend doing the renovations over and above your day to day job and family life.  How much time do you have to supervise contractors?

2. Do you know what buyers are looking for in today's market in flooring, fixtures, paint colours, cabinetry, etc?

3. Does the property require system updates such as furnace, air conditioning, roof, windows?  Potential buyers will expect these to be updated in a renovation flip.

4. Do you know your pricing and timelines for ordering and installation?

You have to know your financing intimately.

1. Do you have the additional funds if the renovation project goes over budget?  And it will.

2. Are you prepared for the surprises you might find during renovations?  Old wiring, plumbing, electrical?   Don't forget necessary permits or surveys.

3. How long  can you comfortably carry the house while it is on the market?  The longer it sits, the more any profit gets eaten up.

You have to know yourself and your family intimately.

1. Do you plan to live in the house during renovations?  Not a great idea. If you are using contractors they do not like having you underfoot.  If you have children there are safety issues.  There is the noise factor to consider.  Are you willing to be without water, lack of food preparation space, lack of privacy?

2. If you don't move into the house are you able to sleep at night carrying a second property for an unknown length of time?

3. Are your contractors and subs reliable and dependable?  Make sure you have written contracts for pricing, wages, etc.

You have to know the professionals intimately.

1. Have you consulted with a REALTOR® to get an idea of what the potential return on your investment will be?  Do you know what similar homes are selling for and if they are selling? Did you ask your REALTOR® when you bought the property if there is anything you need to know about the neighbourhood.  Is there anything happening that may affect the price you will get on resale?  Upcoming power plants?  Thirty story condo to be built behind?  Road widening?   Go in eyes wide open.  If you back on to open space call your City's planning department to check the zoning.

2. Have you consulted with an interior designer or decorator to know what is in style?  You must stay away from "trendy" fixtures and fittings, colours, flooring, etc.  You want the home to appeal to the broadest spectrum of buyers. You may like blue cabinets and green tiles but this isn't going to be your home.  Stay neutral and get advice from those who do this for a lliving.

Flipping homes is not an easy task.  It tends to require a lot of up front preparation and hard work.  All of this on a budget and tight timeline.

Flipping homes can be a risky venture.  There are no guarantees how much the home will sell for and how long it will take to sell.

I applaud those people who take on a project with all the hassles that ensue, to enhance and beautify a property.  Updated homes will only increase the value of a neighbourhood.

Do I think home flippers deserve to make a profit?  Absolutely.  Like any home sale it should be a win-win situation. If someone puts a lot of love, labour, sweat and money into a house renovation project why shouldn't they make a profit?

Many buyers today do not have the time or knowledge to buy fixer uppers and have them renovated.  They also do not want to be inconvenienced while the work is being done.

Buyers will tend to pay top dollar for an updated turn key home that they just have to move into and enjoy. 

Indeed flipping is not for the faint of heart but for those who are willing to take the risk, it can be very satisfying and profitable.

 

 

 

 

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Comments (42)

Cody Steele
Steele Realty - Encinitas, CA

So true! Never know what your going to get... Heard a story the other day of a guy who bought a house from the bank with a body still inside! Pretty crazy stuff. Talk about disclosures

Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM
Bruce Walter
Keller Williams Realty Lafayette/West Lafayette, Indiana - West Lafayette, IN

Hi Jenny, I enjoyed your well thought out check list of things to be considered.  The first thing I look at with the investors I work with is:  what will a willing and ABLE buyer in TODAY's market pay for this when all the renovations are complete?  That determines what the house will have to be purchased for and whether a deal is possible or not.  An inexperienced flipper/investor gets into trouble when they are not experienced enough to realistically price out/manage costs of the flip.  The individuals I have worked with are definetly improving the condition of the property and the value of homes in the neighborhood for all their work and/or providing clean and attractive rentals for families.

Congratulations on your feature!!!

Aug 16, 2010 02:32 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Fred, it sounds like your market isn't allowing flips right now.  I heard prices are down in Vancouver.  Are you seeing it on the island?

Thanks Karen, that was really nice of you to recommend for a feature.  And thanks again for your post giving me the idea.

Hi Brian, it is kind of scary to think that people will only consider the profit when that really can be such an unknown.

Hi Matt, it is harder for people here in Canada to purchase investment properties also.  You now require 20 percent down.  Sad really because it tends to scare the investors away.  We have lots of University towns nearby and many parents would love to purchase homes for their kids to live in and collect rent from other students.

 

 

 

Aug 16, 2010 03:42 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Steve, that photo is of a real house in Germany.  Kind of cool eh? 

Hi Marc, can you tell I have done the flip a few times?  We had a $9,000. surprise when our contractor had an electrician in to redo our wiring without telling us.  You really have to stay on top of things.  Needless to say we went overbudget.  We did see a nice return on our investment though

Hi Dan, Yes running out of money can be a pitfall.  In our area many people tear down old home and build huge new ones.  Some of them never get finished and end up for sale in an as is state of condtion.

Hi Ty, I agree.  There is so much to take into consideration when going this route.

 

 

Aug 16, 2010 04:05 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Wanda, I get excited when I see a house with great bones and so much potential.  Many people have a hard time visualizing what some cosmetics can do to improve a home.

Thanks Michael, I've seen some shows on flipping where the partners are ready to kill each other by the time it's over.  Often one person ends up doing so much more of the work than the other.  Of course they each want equal profit!

Thanks Kathy, yes, it's amazing what probably ends up on the cutting room floor for some of those tv shows.  There must be so much stress involved when a property doesn't sell and any profit dwindles on a daily basis.

Jeremy - thanks - multiple times over.

 

 

 

Aug 16, 2010 04:15 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Cody are you serious?  I hope the buyer ran the other way.  Scary stuff.

Michael, lol your comment to Cody.  I think you hit the nail on the head with the Professional approach.  If you are an amateur at least get professional help to give you advice.

Thanks Bruce, and I'm sure those clients ask your opinion as to whether they will be able to resell the home and turn a profit.  Of course you don't have a crystal ball ( or do you?) but your expertise will allow you to tell the buyer if there is resale potential.

 

Aug 16, 2010 04:40 PM
Terry Chenier
Homelife Glenayre Realty - Mission, BC

Jenny,

If you're a Realtor AND handy AND know construction, it's viable.

Aug 16, 2010 05:35 PM
Bill Travis
Captain Bill Realty, LLC - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner

I rehab homes, but now I'm slowing down because it's too hard to get the numbers to work. It is a business, and like any other business, one must know it to be in it.

Aug 16, 2010 06:33 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Terry, I've seen lots of builders in town whose wive's get their license to sell hubby's properties.  Some of these properties sit and sit. I've done a few flips.  I'm not handy but have contacts and I don't really know construction but I know good bones lol.

Hi Bill - You nailed it.  You must know it to be in it.  Very key point.

 

Aug 17, 2010 03:39 PM
Kathy Clulow
Uxbridge, ON
Trusted For Experience - Respected For Results

Jenny - Over the years Barrie and I have renovated from, minor to major, every home we have ever owned some for fun and profit some to live in. I know prices vary from region to region but in all the homes we did we never saw the 'profits' depicted in the TV shows or the 'low costs' for what they did and we did a lot of the grunt work ourselves.

Aug 18, 2010 04:17 AM
Russel Ray, San Diego Business & Marketing Consultant & Photographer
Russel Ray - San Diego State University, CA

From someone who has been involved in flipping 818 properties in 33 years in 7 states, I have to seriously disagree with this:

Does the property require system updates such as furnace, air conditioning, roof, windows?  Potential buyers will expect these to be updated in a renovation flip.

Instead, they expect the furnace and air conditioning to be working and to have been completed serviced recently. The roof doesn't have to be updated if it's in good condition. First generation dual-pane windows and, in some areas, even single-pane windows, are certainly okay.

More important than broad generalizations is to remind people that all real estate is local, even flipping real estate.

Aug 18, 2010 07:07 AM
Jennifer Fivelsdal
JFIVE Home Realty LLC | 845-758-6842|162 Deer Run Rd Red Hook NY 12571 - Rhinebeck, NY
Mid Hudson Valley real estate connection

Jenny I was thinking this should be featured. Looks like I am getting to the party late.  Very informative for anyone who might be considering flipping a house.

Aug 18, 2010 04:38 PM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Jenny, flipping is where I got my start in real estate with my dad...a real learning experience.  And, yes I do believe that someone renovating and flipping a home deserve a profit...it's a business providing a needed service.  I don't agree with buying and flipping with no improvement to the home.

While I think Russel has a good point, but depending on the location of the property and age of mechanical systems...people do prefer new.  This is particularly important in my area because of all the new construction.

Glad to see the little gold star for this post...you deserve it.  I'm off now to check out Karen's post.

Aug 18, 2010 05:25 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Kathy, It sounds like you are an expert on flipping or at least renovating for your own enjoyment.  Some people do it lots of times and all of a sudden say that's it, never again.

Hi Russel - wow you are an expert in this field.  You mean you haven't ventured into Canada to flip yet?  Just to clarify my sentence what I meant was that the future buyer purchasing from the flipper expects those things to be done.  The flipper themselves don't care too much about those things as you've said.  Are you tired of it yet?

Thanks Nick, sounds like you must be a real handyman.  Good stuff.  I love seeing homes before and after renos.  Well if they are done right, that is. 

 

Aug 19, 2010 04:28 PM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Jenny, yes if the renovation is done right the before and after can be startling...and when they're not done right...well, they can be a source of head shaking/scratching laughter!

Aug 19, 2010 06:28 PM
Kathy Clulow
Uxbridge, ON
Trusted For Experience - Respected For Results

Jenny - LOL not really an expert just experienced ..... Barrie is one of those never again folks ..... well not exactly he's just not in a hurry to get into the physical part of doing most of it ourselves anymore.

Aug 20, 2010 03:23 AM
Debbie Walsh
SHAHAR Management - Middletown, NY
Hudson Valley NY Real Estate 845.283-3036

Jenny congrats on the feature.  Well said!  Many of my fellow realtors got their start in Real Estate flipping houses and either weren't happy with their realtor or said I can do this and do it well!

Aug 25, 2010 07:30 AM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Nick, and how the buyers notice the shoddy workmanship.  It is such a deal killer because people wonder what else is wrong that is hidden.

Hi Kathy, I hear you.  I know some people who have done the work lots of times but they are also getting tired of it.  They want to relax and enjoy now.

Hi Debra, I would think some of those colleagues would be good in real estate since they understand the inner workings of a house.  I see lots of builder's wives here get into the business so they can save on real estate fees.  Hey don't wives deserve to get paid???

Aug 29, 2010 04:05 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Jenny,

Flippers rarely work wiht agents and there is a reason for that. This is such a tough business, that they have to be knowledgeable beyond belief in what they are doing.

Though generally flipping is cheap stuff, it is not always true. I have seen flips in hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Usually, however, it is beyond our normal activities. You have to venture to start dealing  with flipping, and it is a different animal whatsoever.

Aug 30, 2010 04:50 PM
Debbie Walsh
SHAHAR Management - Middletown, NY
Hudson Valley NY Real Estate 845.283-3036

Yes alot of the builder's wives here are in the biz also.  A great way to rack up the $$!

Aug 31, 2010 11:30 AM